# "Intellectual Dark Web" Stupidity Omnibus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 4, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193 "2019-01-04T13:53:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/41 "2019-01-04T20:54:43Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I like Rogan as a UFC commentator, and he occasionally does, to his credit, get innerestin people on his show, but I can’t sit and listen to anything for hours at a time, much less Eddie Bravo trying to make a coherent argument for why the earth is really flat and why we never visited the moon (or whatever he spouts on about). They should stick to what they know, like how to break someone’s neck. Why should he do that? Are hysterical leftists like Maddow similarly condemned by you? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/42 "2019-01-04T21:04:57Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Do you have examples of something he has pushed? “Falling for” != “pushing”, dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/43 "2019-01-04T21:11:03Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > He has promoted conspiracy theories? How does his assessment of various media have anything to do with his placement on the political spectrum? His policies are like a non-interventionist 90’s Bill Clinton. My assessment is based on 100% skimming of his content. Is yours based solely on hack filters of opinion or did it include any primary sources? There is a method to my madness, the source are the very own tweets of Dave Rubin and his 1st degree of separation from Alex Jones (actually they are more like joined to the hip). Like Wikipedia I do check the cites from Rational Wiki or any others before posting. Incidentally, _skimming_ the content of someone does lead one to get hack assessments, like you do usually. ---
**Author:** ![Leonard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@Leonard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leonard)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/44 "2019-01-04T21:28:20Z")
This stupid thread is about as goofy as one by a right winger complaining that Nancy Pelosi is ultra-left super-progressive communist. It says more about the political position of the author than the subjects. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/45 "2019-01-04T21:52:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I never said he was right wing. Are you not seeing the word “Libertarian”, or do you think it means the same thing as “Left”? No, it has come to mean “Right.” Like, duh. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/46 "2019-01-04T22:51:01Z")
If Jordan Peterson sits down and debates the OP, my money is on Peterson, all of it. Besides being well educated he’s thoughtful and collected in a way I admire and think we need more of in our political discourse. Rogan is an interesting guy I’d have a beer with, but I wouldn’t classify him as an intellectual, seeing as hes on record as a moon landing hoax proponent. Neither one of them would have been considered “right wing” ten years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/47 "2019-01-05T00:07:20Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > (T/N: generally be dicks to women, minorities, the poor, or anyone who isn’t a rich cishet white dude) > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > - Joe Rogan Just look at this cishet white dude slamming on minorities. It’s outrageous. [https://twitter.com/Kirby\_MMA/status/1013578514811977729](https://twitter.com/Kirby_MMA/status/1013578514811977729) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/48 "2019-01-05T01:17:24Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > If Jordan Peterson sits down and debates the OP, my money is on Peterson, all of it. Uh, that is why debates are preferred by the likes of Peterson, talking pretty carries the day while scientists that disagree with him and have the facts can succeed in a debate, but not always. So being successful in debating in favor of contrarian ideas is not as impressive as one would think. I was less impressed by seeing his page on rationalwiky, but I was thinking that he was very intelligent. **Intelligent in his area of expertise** , yes. But he really becomes like the others described in the OP when he goes to places like climate change denial: > **[Jordan Peterson](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#cite_ref-starvation_155-0)** > > Jordan Bernt "Red Skull" Peterson\[4\] (1962–) is a Canadian (perhaps soon-to-be-former) clinical psychologist, a retired\[5\] University of Toronto psychology professor, and Ultracrepidarian par excellence.\[6\] He has falsely claimed to be both an... > [@](#): > > Global warming > “”He’s casually called a “climate change denier,” for example, which is an appallingly treacherous term of criticism, used to denigrate someone personally by associating them with Holocaust deniers. The ethics of anyone who employs it should be instantly questioned. > —Jordan Peterson[147] [That was about Bjørn Lomborg, and yes, he is a contrarian of the evidence.](http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2015/03/bjrn-lomborg-is-wrong-about-bangladesh.html) > [@](#): > > “”The “unlikely” part makes it thoroughly reassuring. So it’ll only cost my right to teach (as opposed to biology denier Dr. Nicholas Matte). > —Also Jordan Peterson[148] > “”Human emissions of carbon dioxide have saved life on Earth from inevitable starvation & extinction due to C02 [sic] > —Jordan Peterson, quoting, without properly putting quotes or at least specifying it’s a quote, from a denialist article[149] > > Peterson has made retweets (his retweets “aren’t endorsements”) of global warming deniers including Anthony Watts,[150][151][152] Bjorn Lomborg,[153] Richard Lindzen, [154] and the Daily Mail.[155] Peterson’s tweets tend to downplay global warming. For example, one of his tweets links to a blog called “NoTricksZone” (a reference to the “trick” word in Climategate): “So it turns out that it was scientists who were sensitive to atmospheric CO2 level increases?”[156]. On occasion, he supports the “global cooling”[152][157] as well as the “carbon-dioxide-is-good-for-plants” talking points.[147] ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/49 "2019-01-05T01:27:45Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > If Jordan Peterson sits down and debates the OP, my money is on Peterson, all of it. Besides being well educated he’s thoughtful and collected in a way I admire and think we need more of in our political discourse. Rogan is an interesting guy I’d have a beer with, but I wouldn’t classify him as an intellectual, seeing as hes on record as a moon landing hoax proponent. Neither one of them would have been considered “right wing” ten years ago. He’s got something like 40 years and a masters on me too. But if we were to debate on whether he was a lying sack of shit about that canadian law he got his start on, or whether he’s said some deeply, deeply disturbing things about women, I think I’d have a leg up. But in debate? Ehhhh a lot of it is bullshit and showmanship, and he’s at a distinct advantage there regardless of how much he sounds like a cut-rate Kermit knockoff. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/50 "2019-01-05T03:29:11Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Who cares about their skin color, their gender, or their sexual orientation? Why are you bringing those irrelevant variables into this discussion? Because he’s “woke” and wants to show off to everyone how “woke” he is.\* Back before he was “woke” he posted the same way about the women and girls he fucked. It’s sort of stealth-bragging about how enlightened he is and how d-u-m everyone else is. \*I’m using the term “woke” to distinguish from “Had a gradual change of attitudes or an actual epiphany”. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/51 "2019-01-05T03:52:14Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > I see you conveniently left out that “deep thinker” Scott Alexander. You should also track all the stupid shit he does too. Maybe you could enlighten me. I know him only from his fiction, which seems could have been written by someone with profoundly anarchosocialist views. You’re the second person who’s hinted to me that he’s actually a member of the alt-right. After the first person did so (maybe two years ago?), I had an (admittedly brief) look at Alexander’s web page and didn’t find any _blatant_ evidence of him being an alt-right proponent. If there were any dog whistles, they were so far out of my range of hearing that I missed them completely. But maybe I was just looking in the wrong place. Can you point to some specific examples of distasteful things he’s posted? (If so, that would be a shame, as I had really enjoyed the story of his I read.) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/52 "2019-01-05T04:31:22Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > Just look at this cishet white dude slamming on minorities. It’s outrageous. > [https://twitter.com/Kirby\_MMA/status/1013578514811977729](https://twitter.com/Kirby_MMA/status/1013578514811977729) All that shows is that he’s a decent human being, believing what people regardless of party used to believe until Trump came into office. Looking him up on RationalWiki, he apparently pushes conspiracy theories (while debunking others). In particularly, he pushes that ADHD and autism are fake. He is also anti-transgender. But, looking into it more, the main reason he seems to be on the list is that he likes to promote the other people on the list. He will retweet the garbage they say, have them on his program to push their ideas without actually rebutting them, and pushes the anti-liberal agenda a lot. He reminds me of our own **SlackerInc**. Not in the exact beliefs, but in the weird mix of having some liberal beliefs while pushing some alt-right nonsense **SlackerInc** even pushes at least one part of the IDW: Sam Harris. I’m glad he’s apparently a decent human being on immigration. But that doesn’t make him not part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/53 "2019-01-05T05:30:55Z")
People put way too much weight on “winning” “debates.” It’s not as if these are dispassionate statements of pure logic with facts that have been fact-checked. They are shows and an exercise in rhetoric. The father of this style of debate was the ancient Greeks, and it’s not like they weren’t wrong about very many things. Yes, they contributed a lot, but resusing their ways of finding truth without alteration is a bad idea. What passes for debate is largely about spectacle and aesthetics. It is not damning to someone’s ideas to say they’d lose a debate. It is only damning to show they can be dispassionately, logically disproven. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/54 "2019-01-05T05:35:58Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Why should he do that? Are hysterical leftists like Maddow similarly condemned by you? She’s got a swan’s neck, a girlish giggle and a mind like a steel trap. And a Ph.D. You got any of those? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/55 "2019-01-05T06:34:54Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > “Falling for” != “pushing”, dumbass. What has he fallen for? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > There is a method to my madness, the source are the very own tweets of Dave Rubin and his 1st degree of separation from Alex Jones (actually they are more like joined to the hip). Like Wikipedia I do check the cites from Rational Wiki or any others before posting. > > Incidentally, _skimming_ the content of someone does lead one to get hack assessments, like you do usually. Great so you’ll be providing a list of the conspiracy theories he has talked about. Talking to Alex Jones makes you a conspiracy theorist even if you don’t talk about conspiracy theories? No. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/56 "2019-01-05T06:39:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > She’s got a swan’s neck, a girlish giggle and a mind like a steel trap. And a Ph.D. You got any of those? I don’t doubt the utility of any of those, but unfortunately they are not an antidote to hysteria. I always assumed the rigorous “public policy” PhD would put a damper on that. Guessing sobriety doesn’t pay, just ask Alex Jones. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/57 "2019-01-05T07:04:33Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > What has he fallen for? > > Great so you’ll be providing a list of the conspiracy theories he has talked about. > > Talking to Alex Jones makes you a conspiracy theorist even if you don’t talk about conspiracy theories? No. Well, I have to apologize for assuming that you had the basic intellect that would allow you to look at where the multiple numbered citations pointed at in the site that was linked to in the recent post. No, I don’t apologize as it makes you look like a doofus once again. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/58 "2019-01-05T09:33:26Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Sargon was locked of Patreon for calling white nationalists “white niggers” on a stream on another channel, not in his comments, and it was white niggers, not “acting like niggers”. You could at least check your facts before going on a rant. No, it **was** “acting like a bunch of n\*\*\*\*rs” he was also not limiting himself to racist slurs but homophobic ones too > [@](#): > > I just can’t be bothered with people who chose to treat me like this. It’s really annoying. Like, I — . You’re acting like a bunch of n **rs, just so you know. You act like white n** rs. Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right… Look, you carry on, but don’t expect me to then have a debate with one of your f **ts.…Like why would I bother?…Maybe you’re just acting like a n** r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me." ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/59 "2019-01-05T09:56:47Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > No, it **was** “acting like a bunch of n\*\*\*\*rs” he was also not limiting himself to racist slurs but homophobic ones too It boggles the mind that there are people that would take that exchange as proof of how right wing (wink-wink-nazi-nudge-nudge) they guy is. He was throwing back their worst insults back at them and racking them in their hypocrisy, which led to actual Nazis going after him. It’s world distorting hysterical stupidity wrapped up in self righteousness. This is how deranged conspiracy theorist operate, they take any evidence against their delusions as proof of an even bigger conspiracy. And I don’t even like Carl Benjamin all that much. As for the OP the two people that come to my mind when I hear Intellectual Dark Web are Bret Weinstein and Jonathan Haidt, that BPC things it’s an evil right wing cabal speaks more about his detachment with reality than anything else. You are modern day Don Quixotes, a man who went insane after stewing in fantasy writings for too long, you are tilting at windmills and assume everyone that points out the windmills are not giants it’s a bleeping giant apologist in your fevered minds. Insanity, sheer, insanity. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/60 "2019-01-05T10:44:45Z")
Fuck Carl, fuck the IDW, fuck the anti-SJWs, and fuck all the money begging right-wing reactionary charlatans who righteously cloak themselves as edgy free-market/free-speech beacons of western enlightenment but who cannot bring themselves to do anything except publish 3 hour long daily anti-feminist/trans/minority/youth rants while simultaneously jacking each other off as silenced and persecuted heretics. I’m disgusted by their rank dishonesty. I’m disgusted by their brickmanship. I’m disgusted by their dissemination of alt-right propaganda. I’m disgusted by their constant cowardly vilification of young progressives. It was Carl who was spreading Nazi propaganda about Heather Heyer [NOT BEING MURDERED but _dying from obesity_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPcyr74AUHo). It was Carl (along with others) who Richard Spencer said served as great [useful idiots for White Nationalism](https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/783387496885264384). Everyday Carl beats the war drum against the “blue-haired feminist horde” for ca$h, but when he calls some internet Nazis: n **rs, white n** rs, and f\*\*\*\*ts, he’s mass reported by them to Patreon! Surprise! Surprise! Nazis don’t care for your free speech/hate. Nazis are hypocritical snowflakes. And tant pis, Carl did it all to himself. If you are so sad **Ale** why don’t you try calling people n **rs and f** ts. We’ll see how long you last here in the SDMB. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193.md?page=4)