# Interesting Article About Failtures in Covid 19 Research **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [June 12, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507 "2020-06-12T03:01:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/1 "2020-06-12T03:01:21Z")
> **[Scientists Have Utterly Failed to Prove that the Coronavirus Fulfills Koch’s...](https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/09/scientists-have-utterly-failed-to-prove-that-the-coronavirus-fulfills-kochs-postulates/)** > > Amory Devereux and Rosemary Frei About 150 years ago, scientists painstakingly constructed a set of principles that can prove whether a particular microbe is the cause of a specific disease or is j… Please refer to obove link^^ for history and context. I did no won’t to infringe on copyright law. ## “Meanwhile, public-health officials appear oblivious to this gaping hole in the science. They imperiously pronounce that they’re using the best data available, and act as if evidence-based decision-making is the substrate for the draconian measures they’re imposing.” “The pathogen occurs in every case of the disease in question and under circumstances that can account for the pathological changes and clinical course of the disease. The causative microorganism occurs in no other disease as a fortuitous and nonpathogenic parasite. After being fully isolated from the body and grown in tissue culture (or cloned), it can induce the disease anew.” My thoughts on the article and why this is happening is because it would shorten the length to get Covid-19 vaccine for immdient production and delivery for world wide vaccinations. The longer it takes the more grants from governments and private doner donations. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/2 "2020-06-12T03:24:25Z")
Yay, a new crackpot conspiracy theory. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/3 "2020-06-12T03:29:04Z")
What is “off-guardian.” ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/4 "2020-06-12T03:36:22Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > What is “off-guardian.” An insane conspiracy site by people banned from commenting at _The Guardian_. Really. > [@](#): > > OffGuardian was launched in February 2015 and takes its name from the fact its founders had all been censored on and/or banned from the Guardian’s ‘Comment is Free’ sections. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/5 "2020-06-12T04:21:22Z")
I clicked on the link and was warned that it might not be a safe site and let me stew for a few seconds. I closed the tab instead of continuing. I don’t see how any of the things quoted in the OP are at all controversial, unless the “pathogen” is something other than Sars-Cov-2. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/6 "2020-06-12T04:35:10Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > I clicked on the link and was warned that it might not be a safe site and let me stew for a few seconds. I closed the tab instead of continuing. No, you clicked on the site and it spent a few seconds having Cloudfire’s security determine that _they_ were safe from _you_. It is a common service provided to websites to protect against bots and DoS attacks. > [@glowacks](#): > > I don’t see how any of the things quoted in the OP are at all controversial, unless the “pathogen” is something other than Sars-Cov-2. The article is about how scientists have “utterly failed” to prove that SARS-Cov-2 causes Covid. It is written by > [@](#): > > Amory Devereux is a freelance writer and podcaster with 13 years’ experience as a language and communications trainer. He is the co-host of Liberty & Logos and is currently working on a book detailing his fleeing from England due to fears over the totalitarian nature of the UK Coronavirus Act. You can listen to an interview he recently gave about this journey and follow him on Twitter. > Rosemary Frei has an MSc in molecular biology from the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary and was a freelance medical writer and journalist for 22 years. She is now an independent investigative journalist. You can read her article on The Seven Steps from Pandemic to Totalitarianism, watch and listen to an interview she gave on the pandemic, and follow her on Twitter. The comments are filled with people who question if any viruses exist at all. Other top articles on the site Include one arguing that Covid is a government psy-op and one saying that Sirhan Sirhan was framed for killing RFK and that ever since then the US has been controlled by the CIA. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/7 "2020-06-12T04:37:47Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > I clicked on the link and was warned that it might not be a safe site and let me stew for a few seconds. I closed the tab instead of continuing. No, you clicked on the site and it spent a few seconds having Cloudflare’s security determine that _they_ were safe from _you_. It is a common service provided to websites to protect against bots and DoS attacks. > [@glowacks](#): > > I don’t see how any of the things quoted in the OP are at all controversial, unless the “pathogen” is something other than Sars-Cov-2. The article is about how scientists have “utterly failed” to prove that SARS-Cov-2 causes Covid. It is written by > [@](#): > > Amory Devereux is a freelance writer and podcaster with 13 years’ experience as a language and communications trainer. He is the co-host of Liberty & Logos and is currently working on a book detailing his fleeing from England due to fears over the totalitarian nature of the UK Coronavirus Act. You can listen to an interview he recently gave about this journey and follow him on Twitter. > Rosemary Frei has an MSc in molecular biology from the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary and was a freelance medical writer and journalist for 22 years. She is now an independent investigative journalist. You can read her article on The Seven Steps from Pandemic to Totalitarianism, watch and listen to an interview she gave on the pandemic, and follow her on Twitter. The comments are filled with people who question if any viruses exist at all. Other top articles on the site Include one arguing that Covid is a government psy-op and one saying that Sirhan Sirhan was framed for killing RFK and that ever since then the US has been controlled by the CIA. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/8 "2020-06-12T04:42:08Z")
And [here](https://mobile.twitter.com/RosemaryFreiTO/status/1270711027223625728?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) is Frei on Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/9 "2020-06-12T04:43:59Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Yay, a new crackpot conspiracy theory. Not really. This is just a recycled AIDS conspiracy theory. > **[HIV/AIDS denialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism)** > > HIV/AIDS denialism is the belief, despite conclusive evidence to the contrary, that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) does not cause acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). Some of its proponents reject the existence of HIV, while others accept that HIV exists but argue that it is a harmless passenger virus and not the cause of AIDS. Insofar as they acknowledge AIDS as a real disease, they attribute it to some combination of sexual behavior, recreational drugs, malnutrition, poo The sc... ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/10 "2020-06-12T06:56:51Z")
I did not know I posted an article that promotes conspirisy theory. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/11 "2020-06-12T06:59:22Z")
“cells of full-length novel-coronavirus DNA\* sequencing of the isolated DNA, then determining that the identical sequence is not present in any other virus, and next replicating or cloning the DNA to form a new copy of the virus injecting the new copy of the virus into a statistically significant number of living hosts (usually lab animals) and seeing whether those animals develop the discrete diagnostic symptoms associated with COVID-19 rather than developing the diagnostic symptoms of any other infection or disease. A few scientists have claimed that some or all of the postulates have been fulfilled. Their papers have been given laudatory coverage by the media, public-health officials and politicians.” I sounded legit. I’m sure a mod will delete my post, as I was not purposely posting conspirisy theory. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/12 "2020-06-12T07:05:39Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > I did not know I posted an article that promotes conspirisy theory. My apologies. Consider it this way - the company and/or researcher who finds a vaccine will be world famous and get the thanks of the world. The moron who wrote the article you linked to says that they would give this up for another grant. Grants on anything related to Covid 19 are very easy to get these days - my daughter is a professor, and she is going after them. Besides AIDS, this also like the anti-vaxxers who claim that the only reason scientists want to protect people from measles is to get more grant money. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-article-about-failtures-in-covid-19-research/855507/13 "2020-06-12T09:32:55Z")
Wikipedia has [a good piece](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates#For_the_21st_century) on failing Koch’s Postulates.