# Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2017, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052 "2017-04-23T09:21:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/2461 "2019-02-02T23:37:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So without even a shred of evidence you’re happy to insinuate that I mistreat women? No, Andy, that was not my intent at all. In fact, I very much doubt you do. I apologize if I caused you emotional distress by that misinterpretation. I just think the cringey type of politically masochistic white man depicted there describes you well. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/2462 "2019-02-03T00:06:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > No, Andy, that was not my intent at all. In fact, I very much doubt you do. I apologize if I caused you emotional distress by that misinterpretation. I just think the cringey type of politically masochistic white man depicted there describes you well. Did you not read your cite? > [@](#): > > Surely, that guy won’t mistreat a woman the way a less-enlightened man might. > > Except, of course, that they do. Scratch the surface of the Cool Guy’s self-conscious cheerleading, and there’s often something ugly underneath. Not sure what to take from your post other than that you think that iiandyiiii resembles the description given in the opinion piece. Pretty much explicitly is accusing him of having something ugly underneath and mistreating women. Otherwise, what exactly were you trying to get at? ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/2463 "2019-02-03T00:37:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Did you not read your cite? > > Not sure what to take from your post other than that you think that iiandyiiii resembles the description given in the opinion piece. > > Pretty much explicitly is accusing him of having something ugly underneath and mistreating women. > > Otherwise, what exactly were you trying to get at? Attention. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/2464 "2019-02-03T00:41:22Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Did you not read your cite? > > Not sure what to take from your post other than that you think that iiandyiiii resembles the description given in the opinion piece. > > Pretty much explicitly is accusing him of having something ugly underneath and mistreating women. > > Otherwise, what exactly were you trying to get at? Only that he reminds me of the type of guy described, in terms of their outward behavior. I’m not endorsing the implication that such an outward persona is likely to mask an abuser (a dubious proposition to be sure). Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![paulmarkj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@paulmarkj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulmarkj)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/2465 "2019-07-16T18:17:29Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I have nothing to say to anyone who refuses to listen to the episode and instead just spouts boilerplate _ad hominem_. If that means crickets, so be it. ] That’s an interesting debating tactic: take any view you like, create a lengthy podcast then say: unless you read it, I am right. In fact, I could create 10 such podcasts: 1. murder is good (2 hrs) 2. racism is good (3 hrs) 3. Earth is flat (4 hrs) 4. Moon landing fake (5 hrs) 5. Aliens live in the moon (3 hrs) 6. etc and I am right because you did not listen to them. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/2466 "2019-07-16T18:33:45Z")
FFS can we just end this thread? What’s with the bump? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052.md?page=123)