# International cricket rolling thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** cricket\ **Created:** [January 22, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205 "2019-01-22T16:30:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/201 "2019-08-01T09:31:39Z")
Australia win the toss - they’re batting. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/202 "2019-08-01T09:33:09Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > Well, I’d back at least Warner and Khawaja to add themselves to that list before the series is out. If Aust consistently post first innings 300 totals, which I rank as the benchmark, it will be because the lesser knowns Bancroft, Head, Wade who make the runs. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/203 "2019-08-01T09:33:51Z")
Australia confirmed as: 1 David Warner, 2 Cameron Bancroft, 3 Usman Khawaja, 4 Steve Smith, 5 Travis Head, 6 Matthew Wade, 7 Tim Paine (capt & wk), 8 Pat Cummins, 9 James Pattinson, 10 Nathan Lyon, 11 Peter Siddle. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/204 "2019-08-01T09:42:28Z")
Apart from Bancroft, that’s as solid a line up ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/205 "2019-08-01T10:08:29Z")
England could have just had Warner caught down the leg side on 0 - spike on UltraEdge, not reviewed. Watch him get a ton now. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/206 "2019-08-01T10:18:55Z")
> [@Cumbrian](#): > > England could have just had Warner caught down the leg side on 0 - spike on UltraEdge, not reviewed. > > Watch him get a ton now. And now England burn a review on an lbw shout missing high. Classic. Still the good news is we’ll be treated to yet another symposium on the morality of walking in the professional game, which will no doubt be as edifying as they all are. … Or not! Out this time. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/207 "2019-08-01T10:19:34Z")
Then double down with a crap review for LBW. Don’t these guys look at the track record? Then they get him LBW, pretty plumb ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/208 "2019-08-01T10:25:07Z")
… then maybe not. Warner has been standing well forward, even got told by umps to move back. So I underestimated how far down leg it was tracking. If he’d reviewed he it would have been overturned. Call it 1 all ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/209 "2019-08-01T10:25:25Z")
Apparently it was missing leg! So justice served, sort of. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/210 "2019-08-01T10:26:27Z")
> [@Cumbrian](#): > > Watch him get a ton now. That sort of stuff doesn’t normally work. Don’t use them up all at once :). ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/211 "2019-08-01T10:30:43Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > That sort of stuff doesn’t normally work. Don’t use them up all at once :). We should keep score: Warner, b. Cumbrian (2). Failed to spot the wrong 'un. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/212 "2019-08-01T10:30:59Z")
On the walking thing, I’ve never played the game properly, but I can easily imagine situations where the batsman themselves is unsure if they clipped pad or ball with their bat. And for those very, very fine snicks, I can also believe you might not be sure if you even felt something through your gloves. So I’ve got no problem with batsmen of any stripe not walking in such situations. I mean, it’s not uncommon for batsmen to burn an lbw review when they think they’ve edged it, but haven’t, right? On the other hand, clearly edging it and then standing there hoping the camera angles on a catch low to the ground will be inconclusive (when on the field it looks out) is borderline cheating. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/213 "2019-08-01T10:39:13Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Call it 1 all Yeah, two not great decisions this morning - 1-1. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/214 "2019-08-01T10:39:21Z")
Bancroft nicks off to Broad. Routine dismissal 2-17 ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/215 "2019-08-01T10:40:36Z")
England’s lbw review was bloody awful. He’s in the crease, it’s hit him above the knee roll and he’s on his toes. What suggests that this is going to hit the wicket? Dumb. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/216 "2019-08-01T10:54:15Z")
My view is that reviews of LBW, unless the batsman knows he’s got an inside edge, are an exercise in futility. Umpires aren’t making howlers and they don’t get many borderline ones wrong. My view of plain dumb reviews like that one is the match referee should fine the captains match payment and have him give it (personally and in cash) to the presiding umpire. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/217 "2019-08-01T11:00:56Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > On the other hand, clearly edging it and then standing there hoping the camera angles on a catch low to the ground will be inconclusive (when on the field it looks out) is borderline cheating. As an umpire and a cricketer who did once walk when given not out, pretty much as you describe, I don’t think most players would see it that way. Most players would feel that the fielding side is never going to change their mind when you get a bad decision - they won’t invite you back to bat on. So why give them the edge when you get one that goes your way. the attitude is just accept the umpire’s decision and get on with the game. On the occasion that I walked the umpire thought a catch to a diving gully fieldsman hadn’t carried but I knew that it had. It was such an awesome catch I didn’t have the heart to rob the fieldsman of it. Mind you I was only playing club cricket in a meaningless game that I can’t recall who won. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/218 "2019-08-01T11:07:34Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > My view is that reviews of LBW, unless the batsman knows he’s got an inside edge, are an exercise in futility. Umpires aren’t making howlers and they don’t get many borderline ones wrong. Pretty much - per [this](http://www.sportstats.com.au/articles/drsrev1.pdf), 34% of out decisions reviewed are overturned, vs only 20% of not out decisions - and that includes catches. Only 22% of all LBW calls are overturned, with presumably a similar skew in favour of the batters. I think a big part of this is the umpire’s call rule, where you can be right about it hitting but wrong to review. That’s debatable, but while it’s the rule, anyone appealing for less than a dead plumb howler is wasting their time. > [@](#): > > My view of plain dumb reviews like that one is the match referee should fine the captains match payment and have him give it (personally and in cash) to the presiding umpire. A similar internal rule specifically for England and Broad would probably do a lot to help. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/219 "2019-08-01T11:14:41Z")
We’re DRS appealing on a catch. I hate these. You either win or lose your review. At least with lbw, you might have a chance of retaining it. But it’s worked. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/220 "2019-08-01T12:15:26Z")
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