# International cricket rolling thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** cricket\ **Created:** [January 22, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205 "2019-01-22T16:30:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2243 "2022-10-29T06:18:38Z")
No, if England and Australia both win all their remaining games they will be level on points and if NZ only drop a game to England they will be above. Aus nrr is a real millstone for them. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2244 "2022-10-29T15:30:37Z")
I’m watching a replay of the NZ- SL game, and I have to say that the NZ black and grey uniform is the sharpest looking cricket kit I’ve ever seen. I may need to buy the jersey. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2245 "2022-11-01T11:51:43Z")
Decent win by England over NZ just now, a few big hits from NZ towards the end could have got them over the line but good bowling by England meant they couldn’t do it. So the big question now is, assuming the top 3 teams (Eng, NZ, Aus) all win their final games, what sort of margin of victory do Aus need to put up to give them a chance? ETA: just had a look at this myself, and conveniently, the first numbers I tried gave a reasonable steer (if I’m right). It looks to me like if AUS bat first against AFG and score 200 in 20 overs, then bowl AFG out for 100 in 10 overs, that would just about bring their NRR for the tournament above 0 (648 runs scored from 76.3 overs = 8.493, minus 584 runs conceded from 80 overs = 8.486). That’s a pretty big margin of victory and still doesn’t come close to Eng’s current NRR of 0.547 (let alone NZ’s of 2.233), both of which can only go up if they win too, as posited. So much so that if I were Australia, I think I’d just focus on winning the game and hoping NZ or Eng slip up (or are washed out). ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2246 "2022-11-01T16:50:21Z")
AUstralia also play first, so even if they manage to win by some outlandish amount, England will know what they need ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2247 "2022-11-02T10:08:03Z")
Netherlands knock off Zimbabwe. Nice bounce back after being rolled over by Pakistan. Wonder what percentage of the population of the Netherlands is aware that the national team is playing in this World Cup. ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2248 "2022-11-02T18:17:38Z")
I have a Dutch friend who I have taken to a previous Netherlands international game when Ryan Ten Doeschate was playing. He had no idea they were in the cup, there’s no coverage at all. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2249 "2022-11-02T19:28:40Z")
Yes, the Dutch people I’ve spoken to had no idea that Netherlands even had a second-tier national cricket team. Even though the cricket stadium where the Dutch national team plays and practices is in the same sports complex where one of them played hockey for twenty years. (And others played tennis in the same complex) He thought they were just a club team. And certainly there were more spectators at his club games sometimes than for international matches. I’m assuming that at least Namibia (for example) has a sizeable community that cares about cricket. Netherlands seems to have a team that is way, way better than any interest in the population would indicate. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2250 "2022-11-03T15:30:22Z")
I just had a horrible thought - if Australia and New Zealand both win tomorrow, and then England’s last match is washed out, England will be eliminated. Seems harsh, but (other than adding a reserve day for the final pool games) I can’t think of a good fix for this. ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2251 "2022-11-03T17:58:12Z")
To be fair, if either of Australia or New Zealand’s games are washed out, an England win sees them through. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2252 "2022-11-03T18:31:08Z")
True. And harshest of all would probably be New Zealand’s game being washed out, in which case Aus and Eng would progress if they both won. Just one of those things I suppose. It would add a significant amount to the cost of hosting the tournament to implement reserve days for all of the final group matches. And in fact, to be totally fair you’d want a reserve day for every single match, which just gets silly. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2253 "2022-11-04T00:39:03Z")
So, as an exercise in ignorance, would it be possible to play double-header T20s? It seems like the bowlers can go MUCH longer than 4 overs in a day. Ditto for the batters/fielders. AIUI, most of these guys also play ODIs and/or Tests with much more than 40 overs a day on each side of the innings. But I’m just a Yank neophyte, so what do I know? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2254 "2022-11-04T00:54:30Z")
I don’t understand why every game in a World Cup wouldn’t have a rain date the following day. Even in the ODI World Cup. What costs are so difficult to manage? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2255 "2022-11-04T03:30:40Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > would it be possible to play double-header T20s? In the sense of two games being played at the same venue the same day ie afternoon and evening) there are quite a few double headers. In the sese of two games between the same teams one after the other, no. That doesn’t fit well with tournament play, you’d need every “rubber” to be a double header and then the impact of some teams getting two wins whilst others getting two washouts would put an even more significant bias based on the luck of the cricketing gods. I doubt there has been a “2nd leg” played when the first was washed out. As to player fatigue, I would concur that should not be a limiting factor and in any case that’s why teams have reserves in their squads. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2256 "2022-11-04T14:06:45Z")
I think we’ve discussed this before, and it’s mainly the extra cost of staffing the venues for the extra days (almost doubling that element of the tournament costs), plus (perhaps more importantly) the difficulty it would cause for broadcasters. I’d imagine it would significantly lengthen the tournament as well is increasing the cost of putting it on. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2257 "2022-11-04T15:08:13Z")
So Australia beat Afghanistan - but only just, which means New Zealand definitely progress (as they beat Ireland comfortably). More relevant is Australia failed to significantly improve their NRR, so a win by England of any margin will see them through. A loss, tie, or washout will knock them out. Sri Lanka are already eliminated, as always it’s hard to say if that will have the effect of taking the edge off their performance, or alternatively if they will play better with no pressure. Bring it on! ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2258 "2022-11-04T19:02:56Z")
Agree. I just feel that when you’re hosting a World Cup, you have to swallow those costs to maximize its legitimacy. I know many countries lose money when hosting the Olympics, for example. Sure, for your normal bilaterals, there’s a profit margin that’s important to preserve. But for a World Cup, it should be different. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2259 "2022-11-04T22:55:47Z")
Yeah. We’re aiming for a cricket competition, not a “Not being rained on” competition, and it’s worth some money to make sure we get that. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2260 "2022-11-06T02:26:04Z")
South Africa could be in the midst of an historic choke. Let’s see if they can pull through. BTW: my actual prediction is that David Miller will push them over the line. But will be nervous times. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2022, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2261 "2022-11-06T02:57:16Z")
And down goes Miller to what might be the catch of the tournament! ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-cricket-rolling-thread/828205/2262 "2022-11-06T03:01:33Z")
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