# International Criminal Court seeking arrest warrants for Isreal and Hamas leaders \[5-20-24\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 20, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810 "2024-05-20T15:12:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/1 "2024-05-20T15:12:48Z")
> **[ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Israeli and Hamas leaders, including...](https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b88527575?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqDwgAKgcICjCE7s4BMOH0KDDEt_4B&utm_content=rundown)** > > The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court says he is seeking arrest warrants for Israeli and Hamas leaders, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Sounds more like a global politcal statement, as the ICC has no standing in Isreal as they are not members. And good luck finding Hamas, as Isreal’s been trying. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/2 "2024-05-20T17:48:45Z")
I don’t think anything will come of it. From your link: > While Netanyahu and his defense minister, Yoav Gallant, do not face imminent arrest, the announcement by the International Criminal Court’s chief prosecutor was a symbolic blow that deepened Israel’s isolation over the war in Gaza. > > \< snip \> > > Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders condemned the move as disgraceful and antisemitic. U.S. President Joe Biden also lambasted the prosecutor and supported Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas. > > A [panel of three judges](https://apnews.com/hub/international-criminal-court) will decide whether to issue the arrest warrants and allow a case to proceed. The judges typically take two months to make such decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/3 "2024-05-20T18:13:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > From your link: > > > … > > > Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders condemned the move as disgraceful and antisemitic. U.S. President Joe Biden also lambasted the prosecutor and supported Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas. > > … I’m sorry, but being against the actions of the government of Israel is not anti-Semitic. If someone hits me who happens to be Jewish, having them arrested for assault is not an anti-Semitic hate crime. I applaud this move, even it it is symbolic. Israel is making it tougher and tougher to have sympathy for them, although I still place the blame on Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/4 "2024-05-20T18:15:27Z")
Is mentioning Hamas in this at all both-sides-ism? Probably not, but I see a nonzero number of Palestine supporters say so. Not sure if they’re the same ones who consider Hamas freedom fighters, but I’d guess that they’d agree regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/5 "2024-05-20T18:59:27Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > both-sides-ism? Accusing someone of both-sides-ism is a mechanism for enforcing faction purity, it’s not a fallacy or anything. To be sure, there are cases where someone simply doesn’t want to know the truth and, for examples, cares more about being friends with everyone (the [Ostrich Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrich_effect)) so they practice “both-sider-ism” as needs be, to keep in good graces with everyone. There’s probably some other examples of trying to practice both-sider-ism that’s equally fallacious. **But** there’s any millions of examples in the world of two different people being good at the same time, in different ways; two people being bad in different ways; and of having an even mixture. We might all live in an apartment building that’s being infested with rats. If George thinks we should burn the building down and Anne thinks we should flood the building and electrocute every inch of it; those are both wrong. Saying that you have to choose one of the two options and stay faithful to it is the [false dilemma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma). It’s quite possible that there’s some third, better solution and internal politics have gotten in the way of getting to that. Thinking that both sides have some points or that neither one does are both perfectly reasonable and, I’d venture to guess, the most common state of reality. Usually, each side is trying to do what they think is best in the world, and they’ll have at least some grains of a reason for that. On occasion, they might even both have a lot of backing. For most problems in life, there’s more than one solution and often there’s just a bundle of merits and demerits that go along. Whether to vaccinate chickens or pasteurize eggs is relatively irrelevant, to take one example. They’re different and have pluses and minuses. Getting all hard core about one versus the other is mostly a waste of emotional energy. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/6 "2024-05-21T18:25:54Z")
Interesting report: > **[Exclusive: Secret Iran-US talks on Gaza war undermined by Raisi death](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/secret-iran-us-talks-gaza-war-undermined-raisi-death)** > > Sources close to the discussions in Oman tell MEE that the delegations spoke about ending Israel's war and a shared desire for a change in Israeli government > [@](#): > > One source close to the talks, which were first reported by [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/05/17/biden-us-iran-regional-attacks) on Friday, told Middle East Eye that discussions between Bagheri Kani and McGurk were progressing well and were close to reaching some sort of agreement. > > […] > > The talks focused on three subjects: a shared desire for a change in government in [Israel](https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/israel); ending [Israel’s war on Gaza](https://www.middleeasteye.net/topics/israel-war-gaza); and preventing the conflict from spreading elsewhere in the region. > > […] > > In the meeting, one source said, McGurk quoted Biden as saying: "I will not negotiate with Iran for a nuclear and comprehensive deal until after the US election because the Iranians cannot keep their promises.” ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/7 "2024-05-21T18:29:18Z")
I support this. Both Netanyahu and Sinwar deserve to face consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/8 "2024-05-22T00:42:29Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Is mentioning Hamas in this at all both-sides-ism? > > Probably not, but I see a nonzero number of Palestine supporters say so. I support Palestine. I support freeing them from the oppression of Hamas, among other things. The leaders of both sides in this war are part of the problem. If we could actually arrest both of them, that’d be great. Not that I have any real hope of that happening. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/9 "2024-05-22T03:50:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I support Palestine. I support freeing them from the oppression of Hamas, among other things. QFT. I just don’t _get_ criticizing specific Israeli government policies as being “bad” is the same as supporting the Israeli “right to exist.” YMMV ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/10 "2024-05-22T19:21:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The leaders of both sides in this war are part of the problem. If you see no value to war, then this will always be your stance. Is there ever a justified reason for war? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/11 "2024-05-23T00:33:02Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > If you see no value to war, then this will always be your stance. What? No, of course not. For a very obvious comparison, in Ukraine, Putin is a part of the problem, but Zelinskyy isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/12 "2024-05-23T16:15:50Z")
Should Zelinsky not attack Russia within their own borders where innocent Russian civilians could be killed? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/13 "2024-05-24T01:09:32Z")
Of course he should, because that’s what has the best chance of ending the war quickly. Not attacking within Russian borders will lead to many more innocent civilians being killed. To make sure we’re on the same page: Starting a war is bad. Ending a war is good. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-criminal-court-seeking-arrest-warrants-for-isreal-and-hamas-leaders-5-20-24/1001810/14 "2024-05-29T14:58:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Ending a war is good. Do you not see Isreal as attempting to end the war with Hamas?