# International Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553 "2010-12-01T16:47:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/441 "2010-12-17T12:53:51Z")
If we all agreed on a mass-travel claim (in both cities) and then we established a policy of announcing all travel plans with justification, that’s one thing. But to single out only some of the travelers and demanding accountability only from them, it could be stacking the deck against town travelers while maintaining security-through-obscurity for the scum travelers. I don’t know how the traveling deck is currently stacked as far as those in public vs those in private, hence the hesitancy and paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/442 "2010-12-17T12:54:53Z")
NETA I’m off to sleepy time now. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/443 "2010-12-17T13:20:43Z")
I can’t vote for someone on just a skeezy feeling. **vote: Scuba Ben** on the vanilla stuff. Best I can do before deadline. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/444 "2010-12-17T13:57:57Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > This is similar in tone to what peeker has been doing all day (which is probably why it rubbed me the wrong way)…it was pretty plainly pointed out in the setup and in the opening post how this game works. The reason that nobody is In Transit today seems quite clear to me: it’s because nobody in Wellington chose to travel last Night. I don’t see **Scuba\_Ben** feels a need to “Blame the Mod” for anything… I _DO_ feel the need to blame sach. I just didn’t think it would help to do so in the game thread. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/445 "2010-12-17T14:14:02Z")
Okay, I’m caught up now. Ed and I are the only ones who haven’t placed any votes yet toDay, if I’ve got my spreadsheet up to date. For me, it’s because I was away from boards for 48 hours. I would like to hear from **Natlaw** defending eir probing for travel plans. Travel is one of the ways the two cities interact. I think **USCDiver** ’s vote in #434 is incredibly weak, and almost “me-too”. So for now: **vote USCDiver** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/446 "2010-12-17T14:17:47Z")
**Cookies** , my NZD 0.05 on your Night power: You have an ability to break a tie. Otherwise your vote doesn’t mean anything – London doesn’t even see it until their Dusk. I suggest you hold your Night vote until late in the Night. As to whether to use it or not, that depends on your read of the vote leaders. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/447 "2010-12-17T15:04:55Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > **[color=red]Unvote Suburban**[color] > > I think it is quite clear that this is one game, not two, and by isolating play into two sub-games, we functionally cut the Town’s braintrust in half, which is bad. As badly as I’m am trying to play with the information in both locations, I think we should all be trying to play with as much information and context as can be gleaned from both. > > But then not everyone is suffers from the self-centered/ADD playstyle that I do. \ rut roh. i agree with **cookies** (and if **ed** does something i agree with i am going back to church because final judgement is at hand). the inability to interact in real time with our friends in the land of bad pub food is really hurting my head. and i can totally get down with **cookies** kind of mentioning “skimming” the other folks’ posts. crud it’s hard enough to engage just daily with a group than i can comment on without adding an additional group that i have no ability to participate in their discussions. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/448 "2010-12-17T15:25:46Z")
[ok someone else may need to help me out with this. can someone point me to pleo’s and idle’s actual claims where they quote pms? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/449 "2010-12-17T15:30:34Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > [ok someone else may need to help me out with this. > > can someone point me to pleo’s and idle’s actual claims where they quote pms? Natlaw posted a handy link summary earlier: > [@Natlaw](#): > > Bookmarks: > 080: [T00:00](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13224057#post13224057) > 252: [T12:00](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13246655#post13246655) > > Claims: > 087: **Pleonast** - [NZ Agricultural Attaché](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13224380&postcount=87) (forced traveller) > 089: **Idle Thoughts** - [Dual Citizen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13224436&postcount=89) (vanilla traveler) > 244: **Shadow Facts** - [UK Citizen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13246438&postcount=244) (vanilla) > > [Rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13216720&postcount=51) [Sample Roles](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13216749&postcount=53) [Schedule](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13223109&postcount=76) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/450 "2010-12-17T15:30:38Z")
T12:00 post #250 Suburban Plankton(2): [del]peekercpa(303-384)[/del] peekercpa(384) Mahaloth(410) [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(414-429)[/del] peekercpa(1): [del]GuiriEnEspaña(347-380)[/del] [del]Normal Phase(358-399)[/del] [del]Natlaw(367-436)[/del] [del]Mahaloth(369-390)[/del] Idle Thoughts(370) [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(372-374)[/del] [del]Suburban Plankton(376-417)[/del] Natlaw(4): Suburban Plankton(424) GuiriEnEspaña(430) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(433) USCDiver(434) Scuba\_Ben(2): Natlaw(437) Normal Phase(443) USCDiver(1): Scuba\_Ben(445) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/451 "2010-12-17T15:34:31Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **sach, any chance on fixing the tags in my previous post?** Nope. You would have to ask an SDMB moderator. I suggest that you do NOT. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > **Anywho, it is the end of this cycle that I’m trying to confirm, because the Wellington Dawn post refers to London Day ending at 21:00 GMT Friday 17 December 2010, and Wellington Night ending at 10:00AM NZDT Tuesday 18 December 2010 (Friday 4:00PM EST 17 December 2010 for the Yanks), and I just want to make sure that the town’s being inverted as to who is in Day and who is in Night is the only error there, not any of the times.** Ooops. My mistake. London and Wellington are switched. All times are correct. Wellington Day ends at at 10:00AM NZDT Tuesday 18 December 2010 (Friday 4:00PM EST 17 December 2010 for the Yanks). London Dawn occurs at 21:00 GMT Friday 17 December 2010. I strongly considered having Days be 3.5 or 4.5 days long so that Wellington Day would end around the time of the real Wellington Dusk. But I’m not willing to get up at 4AM local for that. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/452 "2010-12-17T15:39:13Z")
I’m trying to go back and look over London Day 1 a bit more, and something sticks out about **ShadowFacts** ’ claim Yesterday (Post 244). He said: > [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Well, if it will help you make the right choice, I will claim: I am Vanilla - here’s my PM: > > You are Vanilla Town > Citizenship: United Kingdom > Win Condition: Arrest all members of the International Crime Ring > > You are not eligible to travel. > > You begin the game in London, United Kingdom. Notice the total absence of color. Now, his is the only ‘completely vanilla’ claim so far (i.e. no power and no travel), so that may explain it…or it may have been edited. I know that some folks dislike arguments centered on the language in PMs, but it did stick out at me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/453 "2010-12-17T15:45:25Z")
**Unvote** Suburban unvoted peeks, so I’m removing my vote on him. Day nearly ends, so I’ll: **Vote Natlaw** for trying to pull specific travel plans from players. I’m not sure that’s a wise move because it might help scum. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/454 "2010-12-17T15:47:54Z")
thanks guiri. and i know we are getting close to the end of the day but just for discussion purposes for the rest of the Day and for the folks on the other side of the world. i wonder why i and **astral** got names and the claimed folks didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/455 "2010-12-17T15:50:23Z")
neta: the **other** claimed folks. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/456 "2010-12-17T15:53:29Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Nope. You would have to ask an SDMB moderator. I suggest that you do NOT. \ gd that sound ominous. any particular reason. because i am curious i am almost attempted to do so to see what happens. i mean it would be like walking around and seeing a button on a wall that says under no condition do you press this. well crud i’d probably press it twice just to make sure. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/457 "2010-12-17T16:01:10Z")
Because you shouldn’t be bothering the SDMB moderators with our silly game. Check your post before you post it, and if you don’t just live with it. It isn’t important enough to drag an uninterested party into fixing minor mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/458 "2010-12-17T16:52:58Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > gd that sound ominous. any particular reason. > > because i am curious i am almost attempted to do so to see what happens. i mean it would be like walking around and seeing a button on a wall that says under no condition do you press this. well crud i’d probably press it twice just to make sure. Eh, give it a try. We’ve seen “Death by Mod” already, maybe we can get a “Death by Forum Admin” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/459 "2010-12-17T18:30:52Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Again, it’s one thing to ask everyone’s thoughts/stance on traveling and then compare their actions later in the game, it’s a whole different thing to ask two players what their specific travel plans are IMHO: > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > If we all agreed on a mass-travel claim (in both cities) and then we established a policy of announcing all travel plans with justification, that’s one thing. But to single out only some of the travelers and demanding accountability only from them, it could be stacking the deck against town travelers while maintaining security-through-obscurity for the scum travelers. I don’t know how the traveling deck is currently stacked as far as those in public vs those in private, hence the hesitancy and paranoia. I didn’t single out some random travellers - I asked the question of the publicly revealed travelers (Pleonasts already revealed his forced travel schedule). And yes, I could have talked travel strategy in general but with known travelers around I wanted to hear from them _first_ so I didn’t expand on it myself and asked them directly. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/460 "2010-12-17T18:32:48Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I would like to hear from **Natlaw** defending eir probing for travel plans. Travel is one of the ways the two cities interact. What haven’t I explained to your satisfaction? What has that second sentence to do with it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553.md?page=24)