# International Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553 "2010-12-01T16:47:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/481 "2010-12-17T20:48:45Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I mean Idle and Suburban. :smack: I’ll get it straight one of these days. > > Unofficial lazy vote count: > > Natlaw: 5 > Scuba: 3 > Suburban: 1 > USCDiver: 1 I still count one vote for peeker, by Idle Thoughts, and the vote for USCDiver is now a vote for Mahaloth. (Also unofficial, less lazy.) ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/482 "2010-12-17T20:50:42Z")
Let’s me guess you mean Idle and Suburban? I’ll try to rephrase: I didn’t pick out some travellers but\* specifically\* the known travellers. I didn’t ask it in general because I wanted their thought on it first as I said before. For the record, I can see reason for both their stated answers. Idle claimed vanilla so their doesn’t seem to be immediate need for him to travel so its better if he doesn’t it makes it more predicatible. Plankton not wanting to answer is fine but I do disagree with and like it less. I don’t see how it helps scum to know if he plans to travel because they already know he can travel and I wasn’t advocating that if he didn’t stick to his plan he should be lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/483 "2010-12-17T20:50:59Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I mean Idle and Suburban. :smack: I’ll get it straight one of these days. > > Unofficial lazy vote count: > > Natlaw: 5 > Scuba: 3 > Suburban: 1 > USCDiver: 1 There’s also one vote on \*\*Mahaloth \*\*( **Scuba\_Ben** in Post 466). **Idle** doesn’t seem to have posted since he voted for \*\*peeker \*\*in Post 370 yesterday, just before peeker’s claim. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/484 "2010-12-17T20:53:49Z")
NETA: And although I mentioned Idle’s vote on peeker, I failed to actually add it to my also unofficial, and apparently just as lazy as the rest, count. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/485 "2010-12-17T20:59:26Z")
Good night, Wellington NZ. Good morning, London UK. Please update my spreadsheet: [https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgIvyL7x2WUIdF9PQmxraGhrZnJwZGFMNkZqM1FzZHc&authkey=CMKc3JIH&hl=en#gid=0](https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgIvyL7x2WUIdF9PQmxraGhrZnJwZGFMNkZqM1FzZHc&authkey=CMKc3JIH&hl=en#gid=0) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/486 "2010-12-17T21:00:21Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Let’s me guess you mean Idle and Suburban? > > I’ll try to rephrase: I didn’t pick out some travellers but\* specifically\* the known travellers. I didn’t ask it in general because I wanted their thought on it first as I said before. > > For the record, I can see reason for both their stated answers. Idle claimed vanilla so their doesn’t seem to be immediate need for him to travel so its better if he doesn’t it makes it more predicatible. Plankton not wanting to answer is fine but I do disagree with and like it less. I don’t see how it helps scum to know if he plans to travel because they already know he can travel and I wasn’t advocating that if he didn’t stick to his plan he should be lynched. You say you don’t see how it helps Scum. How does it help Town? In general, information is good for Town. The more we know, the better off we are. But that doesn’t mean that _ **all information** _ is helpful. There’s a lot of stuff that really doesn’t help. Suppose I told you “I plan to travel at every opportunity”. How is that going to benefit the Town, especially since a) you don’t know if I’m telling the truth to begin with, and b) it’s OK if I change my mind later and do something else? It’s a bunch of information that is of no real value, but which can be used by Scum in the future to ‘stir the pot’ (by asking people to justify changes of plans, for example). For that matter, it is likely to be used by Town for exactly the same reason. I think that having people state their future travel plans is ultimately anti-Town. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/487 "2010-12-17T21:01:33Z")
Coming in right at the wire… it would be a whole lot easier if people here at work would quit bugging me to…work. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/488 "2010-12-17T21:04:30Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Suppose I told you “I plan to travel at every opportunity”. How is that going to benefit the Town, especially since a) you don’t know if I’m telling the truth to begin with, and b) it’s OK if I change my mind later and do something else? I could tell you that it was probably a bad idea. I suppose I shouldn’t have used ‘travel plan’ but ‘travel motivations’. Plan just seemed to fit the color better. But I think the Day is over here so I hope London has better luck catching criminals. They’ve got Scotland Yard and we’ve just got sheep here… ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/489 "2010-12-17T21:23:48Z")
Hi. Sorry. I had a meeting run long. London, please do not post until the transition is posted… you might be dead. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/490 "2010-12-17T21:28:42Z")
T12:00 post #250 Suburban Plankton(1): [del]peekercpa(303-384)[/del] peekercpa(384) [del]Mahaloth(410-453)[/del] [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(414-429)[/del] peekercpa(1): [del]GuiriEnEspaña(347-380)[/del] [del]Normal Phase(358-399)[/del] [del]Natlaw(367-436)[/del] [del]Mahaloth(369-390)[/del] Idle Thoughts(370) [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(372-374)[/del] [del]Suburban Plankton(376-417)[/del] Natlaw(5): Suburban Plankton(424) GuiriEnEspaña(430) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(433) USCDiver(434) Mahaloth(453) Scuba\_Ben(3): Natlaw(437) Normal Phase(443) special ed(469) USCDiver(0): [del]Scuba\_Ben(445-467)[/del] Mahaloth(1): Scuba\_Ben(466) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/491 "2010-12-17T21:35:46Z")
T24:00 Friday 17 December 2010 London Day – Wellington Night The sun rises in London and sets in Wellington. The denizens of London had gone to sleep disturbed that their efforts to make the streets of London safe again had failed. They had hoped that such grisly and uncivilised behaviour would be isolated to New Zealand. Not bloody likely. In the morning they realized that the beastly international crime ring was to be their top concern for quite some time. It was bad enough that one of their own had been brutally murdered in New Zealand, but this morning the telly was plastered with even more bad news. \*\*Astral Rejection, Rufus(mason) and a citizen of the United Kingdom, is dead. \*\* The murders perpetrated by the international crime ring have reached London as well. Denizens of London, you must seek out and arrest the criminals. In other news, the denizens of Wellington were absolutely gutted by the murder of latecomer and not-even-knew-he-was-around CatInASuit. In response the City of Wellington decided to arrest **Natlaw** for the deed. **Natlaw, Criminal and citizen of Russia, has been arrested.** The following Players are in London and are therefore eligible to post as well as vote: Drain Bead MentalGuy MHaye Mrs McGinty NAF1138 Rin Twisted Romanic ShadowFacts Wolverine You may vote for anyone alive in the game, but the arrest warrant issued will only be effective in London. The following Players have been arrested in London and are therefore not able to post or vote ever again: Baffle (Dual Citizen) Citizen of the United Kingdom and New Zealand The following Players are dead in London: Astral Rejection, Rufus (Mason) Citizen of the United Kingdom The following Players are in Wellington and are therefore UNABLE to post and UNABLE to vote: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies GuiriEnEspaña Mahaloth Normal Phase peekercpa Scuba Ben special ed USCDiver Idle Thoughts Suburban Plankton The following Players have been arrested in Wellington are are therefore not able to post or vote ever again: Natlaw (Criminal) Citizen of Russia The following Players are dead in Wellington: CatInASuit (Vanilla Town) Citizen of the United Kingdom The following Players are in Transit to Wellington and are therefore able to post but unable to vote: Pleonast London Day will end at 21:00 GMT Wednesday 22 December 2010. Wellington Night will end at 10:00AM NZDT Thursday 23 December 2010. (Wednesday 4:00PM EST 22 December 2010) ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/492 "2010-12-17T21:38:58Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Good night, Wellington NZ. _I would sleep with one eye open! No prison keeps Boris for long!_ > [@sachertorte](#): > > London, please do not post until the transition is posted… you might be dead. _That’s the true Russian spirit! Do svidaniya lazy sheep lovers!_ ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/493 "2010-12-17T21:47:40Z")
Aw, I was hoping to play for longer than last game! Maybe next time. Go town! ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/494 "2010-12-17T22:15:52Z")
**bah, sorry dude. fried your ass like pork skin without even giving you a chance. and jeebus if i bite it the crypt is going to be really weird with ed gazing at us (or with you gazing at me and ed or with me gazing at the two of you). sounds all sorts of not right.** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/495 "2010-12-17T22:30:09Z")
\*\*How to properly say this? w00t!\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/496 "2010-12-17T22:52:40Z")
Quit with the purple, already. 😛 I don’t have much time at the moment, but my first complaint is with **Rin Twisted** and their lack of a vote on Day One. Could someone please vote to poke them? Also, here are my notes.[spoiler] **T0:00** [(80)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13224057&postcount=80) London Day One, 12 players: Astral Rejection, Baffle, Drain Bead, MentalGuy, MHaye, Mrs McGinty, NAF1138, Pleonast, Rin Twisted, Romanic, ShadowFacts, Wolverine. Wellington Night One, 9 players: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, GuiriEnEspaña, Mahaloth, Natlaw, Normal Phase, peekercpa, Scuba Ben, special ed, USCDiver. Transit L-\>W, 2 players: Idle Thoughts, Suburban Plankton. Final Votes[(248)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13246520&postcount=248) Baffle(6) : Pleonast(128) Romanic(208) Wolverine(211) MentalGuy(232) ShadowFacts(245) MHaye(246) ShadowFacts(6): NAF1138(131) Astral Rejection(205) Drain Bead(213) Baffle(230) Mrs McGinty(231) Anonymous(248) Pleonast(0): [del]Astral Rejection(158 - 180)[/del] [del]Baffle(207-230)[/del] Idle Thoughts(0): [del]ShadowFacts(194-224)[/del] Mrs McGinty(0): [del]ShadowFacts(238-245)[/del] No Vote(1): Rin Twisted **T12:00** [(252)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13246655&postcount=252) London Night One, 11 players: Astral Rejection, Drain Bead, MentalGuy, MHaye, Mrs McGinty, NAF1138, Pleonast, Rin Twisted, Romanic, ShadowFacts, Wolverine. Wellington Day One, 11 players: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, GuiriEnEspaña, Mahaloth, Natlaw, Normal Phase, peekercpa, Scuba Ben, special ed, USCDiver, Idle Thoughts, Suburban Plankton. Transit W-\>L, 0 players: . Final Votes[(250)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13263232&postcount=490) Suburban Plankton(1): [del]peekercpa(303-384)[/del] peekercpa(384) [del]Mahaloth(410-453)[/del] [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(414-429)[/del] peekercpa(1): [del]GuiriEnEspaña(347-380)[/del] [del]Normal Phase(358-399)[/del] [del]Natlaw(367-436)[/del] [del]Mahaloth(369-390)[/del] Idle Thoughts(370) [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(372-374)[/del] [del]Suburban Plankton(376-417)[/del] Natlaw(5): Suburban Plankton(424) GuiriEnEspaña(430) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(433) USCDiver(434) Mahaloth(453) Scuba\_Ben(3): Natlaw(437) Normal Phase(443) special ed(469) USCDiver(0): [del]Scuba\_Ben(445-467)[/del] Mahaloth(1): Scuba\_Ben(466) No Vote(0): **T24:00** [(491)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13263262&postcount=491) London Day Two, 9 players: Drain Bead, MentalGuy, MHaye, Mrs McGinty, NAF1138, Rin Twisted, Romanic, ShadowFacts, Wolverine. Wellington Night Two, 10 players: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, GuiriEnEspaña, Mahaloth, Normal Phase, peekercpa, Scuba Ben, special ed, USCDiver, Idle Thoughts, Suburban Plankton. Transit L-\>W, 1 player: Pleonast. **Reveals** Baffle[(252)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13246655&postcount=252): Dual. Astral Rejection[(491)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13263262&postcount=491): Brit, Mason. Natlaw[(491)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13263262&postcount=491): Rus, Criminal. **Claims** Pleonast[(87)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13224380&postcount=87): Kiwi, required to travel after each Night, no powers. Idle Thoughts[(89)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13224436&postcount=89): Dual, option to travel, no powers. NAF1138[(101)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13225574&postcount=101): cannot travel. ShadowFacts[(244)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13246438&postcount=244): Brit, cannot travel, no powers. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[(311)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13251627&postcount=311): Brit, cannot travel, anonymous vote in London. peekercpa[(371)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13259387&postcount=371): Dual, cannot travel, Mason with Astral Rejection. Natlaw[(437)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13261206&postcount=437): Kiwi, cannot travel, no powers. **Color Key** Confirmed Town Confirmed Scum Claimed Town Everyone Else[/spoiler]I don’t think keeping an editable out-of-thread document is quite within the spirit of the rules. During the Night, I asked the moderator about the lack of information revealed about **Baffle**. Apparently we don’t get anything else, so we don’t know if he could travel or if he had any powers. I’m guessing we won’t get to know if either **Astral** or **Natlaw** could travel, also. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/497 "2010-12-17T22:55:13Z")
Oh, I forgot to add that although **peekercpa** is not definitely confirmed, since he got both the name and role of **Astral** correct, I’m going to give him a large dose of town cred. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/498 "2010-12-18T03:10:50Z")
Just briefly checking in to say that work tonight and auditions tomorrow are going to keep me from posting anything of substance. I’ll be back on Sunday. My apologies for the delay. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/499 "2010-12-18T03:12:19Z")
NETA: Nice work, Kiwis! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/500 "2010-12-18T13:45:44Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Oh, I forgot to add that although **peekercpa** is not definitely confirmed, since he got both the name and role of **Astral** correct, I’m going to give him a large dose of town cred. Isn’t the whole point of having Masons to gain confirmed Town? It would be highly gastard for one member of a two-person masonry to be Scum, IMO. I think this confirms peeker. Can you explain your reluctance to consider him confirmed Town? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553.md?page=26)