# International Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553 "2010-12-01T16:47:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/601 "2010-12-22T19:52:55Z")
Oh, and I’m not particularly happy with my vote right now as it’s apparent that Rin has forgotten us entirely, rather than just lurking. I’m going to try and find a better place to put it in this last hour. ---
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/602 "2010-12-22T20:19:31Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Ok, two things. > > 1. I don’t mind you \*picking \*on things you find suspect. It’s the \*things \*you find suspect that is ringing my bell, if that makes sense. Yes it makes sense, however let’s look at the last thing that I found suspect: > [@NAF1138](#): > > Also, have we talked about Pleo’s travel plans yet at all? I don’t recall seeing any discussion of such. This post is not exactly clear on what you were asking. I don’t think that my interpretation of “travel plans” was far off, and it’s odd of you to qualify my answer as nitpicking. It seems you felt somewhat threatened by my post. > [@NAF1138](#): > > 1. This might be a case of genuine misunderstanding of the meaning of my post. The travel plans I was talking about was the trip that Pleo is currently taking. We didn’t discuss it at all. The fact that it was a forced trip was forgotten by me, but that isn’t really the point. The point is that it was a topic that could have been discussed and no one said anything and that seemed strange, so I just wanted to see if I missed something. You even admit forgetting that Pleonast was forced to travel, yet you dispute my understanding of your meaning. Now it’s unclear if you really meant discussing Pleo’s travel plans or his itinerary. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/603 "2010-12-22T20:29:14Z")
On re-read, I don’t like this ShadowFacts bandwagon the second time I’ve read it any more than I liked it the first time. And I really don’t like the vague “his posts yesterDay don’t feel like Town” reasoning cited by both NAF and McGinty. It’s an impossible charge to answer by Shadow, and really you could say something that vague about anybody. I’m going to go for McGinty because voting for her stands a chance at derailing the Shadow train and because she followed NAF onto the bandwagon. In my experience followers are more likely to be scum than leaders. **Unvote Rin Vote Mrs. McGinty** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/604 "2010-12-22T20:31:31Z")
T24:00 post #491 Rysto replaces Drain Bead in all Votes. Rysto(1): Romanic(504) [del]ShadowFacts(506-599)[/del] Rin Twisted(0): [del]Wolverine(505-571)[/del] [del]Rysto(538-603)[/del] ShadowFacts(3): NAF1138(520) Mrs McGinty(526) MentalGuy(532) Romanic(1): MHaye(527) Mrs McGinty(3): Wolverine(571) ShadowFacts(599) Rysto(603) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/605 "2010-12-22T20:31:45Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > It’s hard to imagine anybody not grasping that peeker looks innocent, that Guiri has some town cred, or that some other people look more suspect based on their votes. The town won’t get far if players like you succeed in shutting down discussion. In fact, there has been difference in opinions about **peeker** ’s status. **Drain Bead** thought they were confirmed as a Mason. I disagreed. You say “some other people look more suspect based on their votes”. Can you tell us exactly who those players are? I have the feeling that each of us has different opinions on that. > [@](#): > > It’s not the townie thing to do. It’s the trying-to-look-like-a-townie thing to do. Can you elaborate? Do you mean posting one’s thoughts on other players is not actually pro-town? I’m not sure how you expect Mafia to be played if telling others what they think is not what we should be doing. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Pleo, it would be nice of you not to place official votes that don’t count. It confuses the simple minded among us. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Also, have we talked about Pleo’s travel plans yet at all? I don’t recall seeing any discussion of such. Try skimming less. 😛 > [@Pleonast](#): > > (Yeah, it doesn’t count, but their active anti-town play looks worse than the passive anti-town play of **Rin Twisted**.) > [@Pleonast](#): > > As you can see, I automatically travel back and forth. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/606 "2010-12-22T20:49:47Z")
> [@Romanic](#): > > You even admit forgetting that Pleonast was forced to travel, yet you dispute my understanding of your meaning. Now it’s unclear if you really meant discussing Pleo’s travel plans or his itinerary. I thought at the time that in the context of my postings my meaning was perfectly clear. Maybe it wasn’t, but that is what I thought at the time. I was talking about his current trip. The one he is traveling on that make his voting not count toDay. His plans to be in Wellington in the AM. McGinty isn’t going to be given time to claim, but I like the case against her as much as I do the case against Shadow. My vote will be there at the start of the Day if Shadow flips town. Yes, I realize that this makes for a contradiction in my own internal logic. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/607 "2010-12-22T20:51:29Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Try skimming less. 😛 I am working on it. Really I am. I _almost_ have my head back in this game. Watch me wake up dead next week. Any tips on how to keep myself engaged overNight? **(sach, it would be bad for us Londoners to start a side thread right?)** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/608 "2010-12-22T20:53:05Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > **(sach, it would be bad for us Londoners to start a side thread right?)** Only if you think being modkilled is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/609 "2010-12-22T20:57:15Z")
I’m usually a fan of picking the best candidate in situations like this, but here I can’t see ShadowFacts or McGinty as scum so I’ll leave my vote on Rysto and hope someone else has a better idea (Hi Cookies! :)) I’ve played enough with McGinty and his behavior toDay is not odd for him. I don’t feel a scummy McGinty would have played it this way. Good night. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/610 "2010-12-22T21:00:58Z")
All right, well that’s going to seal it for me, then. I hope that I have provided plenty of fodder for discussion and that we Brits can get on the right track toMorrow. GO TOWN!! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/611 "2010-12-22T21:02:06Z")
Rysto replaces Drain Bead in all Votes. Rysto(1): Romanic(504) [del]ShadowFacts(506-599)[/del] Rin Twisted(0): [del]Wolverine(505-571)[/del] [del]Rysto(538-603)[/del] ShadowFacts(3): NAF1138(520) Mrs McGinty(526) MentalGuy(532) Romanic(1): MHaye(527) Mrs McGinty(4): Wolverine(571) ShadowFacts(599) Rysto(603) Anonymous (610) An arrest warrant has been issued for **Mrs McGinty** , effective immediately. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/612 "2010-12-22T21:04:44Z")
T36:00 Wednesday 22 December 2010 London Night – Wellington Day The sun sets in London and rises in Wellington. I had colour, but I can’t use it anymore. **Mrs McGinty, Dual Citizen of New Zealand and the United Kingdom, has been arrested.** In other news, **Rin Twisted** has been removed from the game. A PM has been sent to a potential replacement. If declined, Rin Twisted’s role and alignment will be revealed. Good Morning Wellington. Good job in eliminating the nasty criminal in your midst. Don’t let those snooty Londoners get to you with all their sheep cracks. At least you know your sheep aren’t killing people! **GuiriEnEspaña, Dual Citizen of New Zealand and the United Kingdom, is dead.** The following Players are in London and are therefore UNABLE to post or vote: Rysto MentalGuy MHaye NAF1138 Romanic ShadowFacts Wolverine The following Players have been arrested in London and are therefore not able to post or vote ever again: Baffle (Dual Citizen) Citizen of the United Kingdom and New Zealand Mrs McGinty (Dual Citizen) Citizen of the United Kingdom and New Zealand The following Players are dead in London: Astral Rejection, Rufus (Mason) Citizen of the United Kingdom The following Players are in London Limbo: Rin Twisted The following Players are in Wellington and are therefore eligible to post as well as to vote: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Mahaloth Normal Phase peekercpa Scuba\_Ben special ed USCDiver Idle Thoughts Suburban Plankton Pleonast You may vote for anyone alive in the game, but the arrest warrant issued will only be effective in Wellington. The following Players have been arrested in Wellington are are therefore not able to post or vote ever again: Natlaw (Criminal) Citizen of Russia The following Players are dead in Wellington: CatInASuit (Vanilla Town) Citizen of the United Kingdom GuiriEnEspaña (Dual Citizen) Citizen of the United Kingdom and New Zealand The following Players are in Transit to London and are therefore able to post but unable to vote: \ The following Moderators are Traveling and will do their best to keep on top of things: sachertorte London Night will end at 21:00 GMT Tuesday 28 December 2010. Wellington Day will end at 10:00AM NZDT Wednesday 29 December 2010. (Tuesday 4:00PM EST 28 December 2010) ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/613 "2010-12-22T21:06:40Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > The following Players are in London and are therefore UNABLE to post or vote: > Drain Bead > MentalGuy > MHaye > NAF1138 > Romanic > ShadowFacts > Wolverine Does this mean that I can keep posting? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/614 "2010-12-22T21:08:33Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Does this mean that I can keep posting? 😛 Fixed. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/615 "2010-12-22T21:09:15Z")
Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/616 "2010-12-22T21:11:21Z")
Bummer, London. And **Guiri** , sad to see you go. **Cookies** : I presume you cast your Night vote for **Mrs McGinty**. Why did you choose her? OOG: I will be away from computer mid-day Monday until well after Dusk on Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/617 "2010-12-22T21:13:25Z")
Go Town!!! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/618 "2010-12-22T21:17:47Z")
I second the question for Cookies. Was that your anonymous vote? How did you decide(if it is)? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/619 "2010-12-22T21:19:16Z")
I have no time, but if Mrs McGinty’s suspicions go unheeded when day next rolls around in London, I will be unpleased. For the moment, **[color]vote: Pleonast**[/color]. I _will_ do a full post analysis if I can ever get a solid hour together between now and deadline, but for now let me just say that his characterization of Mrs McGinty’s play as anti-town (along with what I think was an actually quite decent case against ShadowFacts) was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Pleo, how could you possibly _not_ see what he was saying, that to his eyes ShadowFacts came over as _trying to act town_, rather than actually _being_ town? He absolutely had something to say there, and you just handwave it away as squashing discussion and “anti-town” – that last accusation being the last refuge of scum since time immemorial. I’m also still hugely suspicious of MentalGuy. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/620 "2010-12-22T21:20:17Z")
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