# International Mafia

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [December 1, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553 "2010-12-01T16:47:14Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 39

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**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/761 "2010-12-31T03:34:34Z")

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Funny, I thought I played one of my worst games, but end up with a win. Though I guess it turns out my instincts were right about **Drain Bead** 😛

I agree that the set-up is interesting and should be tried again now that we’ve had a trial run. Thanks, **sachertorte**!

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/762 "2010-12-31T03:36:44Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> So, now because I can’t decide if I want to lynch the vote leader or not, I’m scummy?
> 
> Yes, I was waffling. Yes, I can’t be sure.
> 
> it’s an odd claim. If true, it’s very powerful for Town. However it looks on one hand to be too powerful for Town, would that power be included? I mean look at it. If we lynch a Scum here in Wellington, we’ve just confirmed everyone else here! My goodness, everyone who can travel then goes over to London and we can perhaps seal the game over there too. Especially when we find out how many Scum are there, (if he lives). And Mahaloth can keep investigating thereby confirming more and/or finding the Scum!  
> So, because I actually looked at how powerful the role is, how unconfirmable, and am left with doubts, I must be Scum.
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> Don’t be an idiot.
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> If you’re honestly believing the claim without hesitation, that should be a better sign of Scumminess

This was in response to my vote. Look, **ed** , I expect you to defend yourself and perhaps my vote was not the greatest case. But let’s be honest, you were waffling and waffling can be a scum tell.

Regardless, don’t call me an idiot again. It was uncalled for and bordering on insulting (irrespective of the fact that I was correct in suspecting you).

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/763 "2010-12-31T03:38:20Z")

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> [@USCDiver](#):
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> This was in response to my vote. Look, **ed** , I expect you to defend yourself and perhaps my vote was not the greatest case. But let’s be honest, you were waffling and waffling can be a scum tell.
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> Regardless, don’t call me an idiot again. It was uncalled for and bordering on insulting (irrespective of the fact that I was correct in suspecting you).

I apologize if I offended you. However, technically, I didn’t call you an idiot.

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/764 "2010-12-31T03:42:47Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> I apologize if I offended you. However, technically, I didn’t call you an idiot.

Technically I wasn’t an idiot, so I guess it’s a wash.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/765 "2010-12-31T03:43:37Z")

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interesting game. thanks **sach**. the only issue that i would have is that you kind of intimated in a pm that you thought that having a week off would keep it a little fresher. so that folks got some down time i think is your direct quote. i would tend to disagree. i mean you still had to keep up but you didn’t have a chance to respond in real time. that made it even worse for the adhd folks in the crowd.

but that was fun and certainly a mechanic that can be used in future games.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/766 "2010-12-31T04:00:11Z")

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> [@USCDiver](#):
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> Technically I wasn’t an idiot, so I guess it’s a wash.

In general, I’m the only true idiot playing this game.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/767 "2010-12-31T04:35:04Z")

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Thanks for the game, sach. I hope someone gets one going soon. Had this ended 2 weeks ago, I would have had time to make one.

Hmmmm…now I have to think about it.

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**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/768 "2010-12-31T05:11:23Z")

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That was a lot of fun. I could feel myself getting more comfortable with the different styles (offline/online) as the game went on. I’m looking forward to more games.

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**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/769 "2010-12-31T05:18:46Z")

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It was fun while it lasted. Kudos for trying something fresh and new, sach.

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/770 "2010-12-31T09:15:53Z")

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Somebody PM me when the next set of sign-ups goes out!

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/771 "2010-12-31T12:31:40Z")

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Oh wow. I was kind of expecting something like this if SP was in fact town, but it’s still a bit disappointing. I’d dearly love to play another version of this. I absolutely loved the setup.

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/772 "2010-12-31T12:32:40Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> In general, I’m the only true idiot playing this game.

Neither of you’s an idiot. ☹

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**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/773 "2010-12-31T14:50:01Z")

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> [@Normal\_Phase](#):
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> Neither of you’s an idiot. ☹

Agreed.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/774 "2010-12-31T14:50:37Z")

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> [@Wolverine](#):
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> That was a lot of fun. I could feel myself getting more comfortable with the different styles (offline/online) as the game went on. I’m looking forward to more games.

Yeah, great to see you play a game with us, Wolverine. This was not a typical game, in my opinion(though a cool setup).

Most games last longer, have no separate parts of the world, and are(in my opinion) harder for Town than this one. Having two investigators was a pretty strong thing for Town and just having a godfather(Rysto/Drain) was not enough to help scum. That, and Rintwisted quitting was terrible for them as well.

I had no idea we really were so close to winning. I just thought things were going well for Town, not _that_ well. I figured a wild card had to be out there for scum.

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**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/775 "2010-12-31T15:36:20Z")

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Next time, lurkers, you could step in and sub. 😛

It only hurts the first time…

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/776 "2010-12-31T15:36:46Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> In general, I’m the only true idiot playing this game.

shoes.

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**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/777 "2010-12-31T17:05:09Z")

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That was an interesting experiment.

Was the sudden end because the setup was inherently biased against the ICR, or was it because of a couple of breaks in the criminal hunting biz stripping one part of the world of the criminals?

Could the ICR have coped if Rin Twisted hadn’t gone missing? The Townies in London were very close to losing control of the vote; add his vote and we could have been pushed over the edge Today. That would have been frustrating.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/778 "2010-12-31T17:41:55Z")

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> [@MHaye](#):
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> That was an interesting experiment.
> 
> Was the sudden end because the setup was inherently biased against the ICR, or was it because of a couple of breaks in the criminal hunting biz stripping one part of the world of the criminals?
> 
> Could the ICR have coped if Rin Twisted hadn’t gone missing? The Townies in London were very close to losing control of the vote; add his vote and we could have been pushed over the edge Today. That would have been frustrating.

hard to know. but when nz lynched **ed** it was effectively over. i still think that was not the percentage play but it worked out so what they hey. i mean we were going to get there eventually it’s just that the wellington folks decided to take a short cut.

normal play

hey can i buy you a drink? durn your eyes sparkle light moonlight on the lake. and that dress is fantastic. another one? something to eat? i know this wonderful italian restaurant? i’ll drive you in my porsche. yes i dearly love a salad for a main meal. dancing? i really like swing music it helps limber me up. coffee at my place? come right on in and don’t worry about the artwork i have collected it for a long time. certainly the bathroom is right through the bedroom. bam.

current play

nice breasts. wanna get horizontal. bam

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**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/779 "2010-12-31T19:16:53Z")

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Wow we’re done already. Sachertorte was right when he said this would be a quick game. Good job Town!!

Thanks for the game sachertorte, great game concept and I’m not sure it was unbalanced toward Town. Things could have been different without an inactive scum and if the Kiwis didn’t do such a great job.

I’m ready for the next game, where is it? 😃

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/780 "2010-12-31T21:41:32Z")

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> [@Romanic](#):
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> Wow we’re done already. Sachertorte was right when he said this would be a quick game. Good job Town!!
> 
> Thanks for the game sachertorte, great game concept and I’m not sure it was unbalanced toward Town. Things could have been different without an inactive scum and if the Kiwis didn’t do such a great job.
> 
> I’m ready for the next game, where is it? 😃

i think it has already been noted but what da heck.

sign ups are currently under way over on giraffe for a **siscoyote** extravaganza. a lot of the folks that play here also play over there. plus the pace is roughly equivalent. it’s a little more free form but what the heck every now and then you have to mix up the chunky monkey with some rocky road.

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