# International Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553 "2010-12-01T16:47:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/61 "2010-12-06T07:25:53Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I don’t see how it could be public knowledge. If it was, everyone in New Zealand would be confirmed at the start of the game. > (Sach says that non-traveling Town will start out in NZ. Everyone else (traveling Town and scum) start out in London. So if Sach starts the game and says “Okay, x, y, and z are in NZ, a, b, c, d, e, f, and g are in London”…that would basically say everyone in NZ was confirmed Town) > > No, no, I think it’ll probably be up to US to tell the rest where we are at any given time. Those are sample PMs. I assumed that there would also be non-travelling citizens of London as well as dual citizens and USA citizens starting in both locations. Maybe I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/62 "2010-12-06T07:29:19Z")
Actually, we \*\*\*must \*\*\*know who is where since voting can only occur during the Day and you can only gaol a player in your current location. Players not in the current Day location can have have an arrest warrent, but not gaoled until the show up in that location, but it hardly seems fair to not know who is actually eligible to be gaoled. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/63 "2010-12-06T12:41:09Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > It looks to me like Town and Scum alike travel during the Day (arriving at their destination at Dawn the following Day) Otherwise it would trivially easy to spot a scum who had travelled. Actually, check that… oh, yeah poor reading skills on my part. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/64 "2010-12-06T15:52:02Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > If you can answer this: > > **Is ‘citizen of the United States of America’ synonymous with Scum for this game? or is is possible for other non-Scum citizens of the USA to be present as well?** The answer to this question is not public knowledge. > [@USCDiver](#): > > It looks to me like Town and Scum alike travel during the Day (arriving at their destination at Dawn the following Day) Otherwise it would trivially easy to spot a scum who had travelled. Actually, check that… > > **Is the current location and travel status of each player public knowledge?** Yes. Each transition will contain an updated list of who is where. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I don’t see how it could be public knowledge. If it was, everyone in New Zealand would be confirmed at the start of the game. > (Sach says that non-traveling Town will start out in NZ. Everyone else (traveling Town and scum) start out in London. So if Sach starts the game and says “Okay, x, y, and z are in NZ, a, b, c, d, e, f, and g are in London”…that would basically say everyone in NZ was confirmed Town) > > No, no, I think it’ll probably be up to US to tell the rest where we are at any given time. Incorrect. The supplied roles are _samples_. Not all Vanilla Town, Dual Citizen, or Scum roles need to be identical. They could be, but they do not have to be. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/65 "2010-12-06T16:00:23Z")
Two Spots Left. We have sufficient numbers to run the game (slightly modified if we don’t get 2 more). I will leave signups open for the last two spots until 11:59AM EST on Tuesday 7 December 2010. At that time, all role PMs will go out and the game begins (T0:00). No Night Zero nonsense (seriously, you shouldn’t be talking during Night Zero anyway :D) 1. Astral Rejection 2. Mahaloth 3. NAF1138 4. Drain Bead 5. MentalGuy 6. GuiriEnEspaña 7. ShadowFacts 8. USCDiver 9. Normal Phase 10. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 11. special ed 12. Idle Thoughts 13. Mrs. McGinty 14. Wolverine 15. Scuba Ben 16. peekercpa 17. Baffle 18. Natlaw 19. Pleonast 20. Suburban Plankton 21. Rin Twisted 22. Romanic 23. 24. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/66 "2010-12-06T16:11:15Z")
Note: To make things easier, I have decided that the scum Night Kill doesn’t count as an action. In other words, anyone performing the Night Kill can do another Night Action in the same Night (e.g., Travel). To be blunt: a single scum player can kill and use ‘some other power’ the same Night. Explicit reasoning: Under no circumstances should you regard proof of Night Power use as evidence that a particular player did not kill. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/67 "2010-12-06T17:20:28Z")
Wow, I don’t think I’ve played with that kind of rule. Does that make the kill unblockable, then? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/68 "2010-12-06T17:23:14Z")
Idly curious (not signing up): since people are arrested and not killed, can they be freed later in the game if new evidence comes to light? This would of course mean that you won’t know the Role of an arrestee until after the game finally ends. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/69 "2010-12-06T17:23:56Z")
I don’t see how that makes the NK unblockable. If I understand **sachertorte** ’s set-up correctly, the NK happens overNight. At Dawn, people who are traveling board their plane to the other location, arriving at local Dawn. **Do I have all of this correct?** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/70 "2010-12-06T18:13:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Wow, I don’t think I’ve played with that kind of rule. > > Does that make the kill unblockable, then? No. The only new thing is that performing the kill does not prevent the killer from performing another action. If the player in question were blocked, both the kill and the ‘other action’ would be blocked. > [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Idly curious (not signing up): since people are arrested and not killed, can they be freed later in the game if new evidence comes to light? This would of course mean that you won’t know the Role of an arrestee until after the game finally ends. [del]Color[/del]Colour is just Colour. Game mechanics are as usual. Arrest is a permanent and final condition. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I don’t see how that makes the NK unblockable. > > If I understand **sachertorte** ’s set-up correctly, the NK happens overNight. At Dawn, people who are traveling board their plane to the other location, arriving at local Dawn. > > **Do I have all of this correct?** Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/71 "2010-12-06T19:37:39Z")
Ah, I see. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/72 "2010-12-06T21:59:04Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > [del]Color[/del]Colour is just Colour. Game mechanics are as usual. Arrest is a permanent and final condition. So I assume there will be some torture involved to get all gaoled players to confess to their true citizenship? Or does part of the gaoling process include an examination of their “papers” to find out where their passport was issued? This could be set in Arizona with illegal Mexicans and Good Ol’ Boy Sheriffs too. Or the Godfather could be Obama and nobody really knows where he was born! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/73 "2010-12-07T00:16:21Z")
I’m wondering if perhaps we have an underwear bomber PFK terrorist. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/74 "2010-12-07T00:47:53Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I’ve considered signing up, but I suspect that would lead to problems. > > I’m already in two games, and I suspect a third will prove too much and my participation in one of the games will be insufficient. > > If I get killed out of one game before signups close, I’d like to play. If not, I’ll keep the subs bench warm. I suddenly find myself no longer involved with Bufftabby’s Castle of Crossed Destinies. /in please. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/75 "2010-12-07T13:31:06Z")
One more then, or are we full? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/76 "2010-12-07T15:13:13Z")
One more, but we are starting in two hours regardless. I’m also extending the first 12 hours by a day to make the schedule fit better over the holidays. T0:00 Tuesday 7 December 2010 London Day – Wellington Night T12:00 Monday 13 December 2010 London Night – Wellington Day T24:00 Friday 17 December 2010 London Day – Wellington Night T36:00 Wednesday 22 December 2010 London Night – Wellington Day T48:00 Tuesday 28 December 2010 London Day – Wellington Night T60:00 Monday 3 January 2011 London Night – Wellington Day T72:00 Friday 7 January 2011 London Day – Wellington Night T84:00 Wednesday 12 January 2011 London Night – Wellington Day T96:00 Monday 17 January 2011 London Day – Wellington Night T108:00 Friday 21 January 2011 London Night – Wellington Day T120:00 Wednesday 26 January 2011 London Day – Wellington Night T132:00 Monday 31 January 2011 London Night – Wellington Day ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/77 "2010-12-07T18:11:32Z")
I’ve received my PM. **Do we have a final player list?** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/78 "2010-12-07T18:16:25Z")
Confirming. When are we officially at GAME ON? ISTM that post #65 + **MHaye** is the list. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/79 "2010-12-07T18:17:32Z")
Right then, I’m confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553/80 "2010-12-07T18:18:29Z")
T0:00 Tuesday 7 December 2010 London Day – Wellington Night Good Morning London and Good Evening Wellington. First and foremost, a big thanks to CatInASuit for providing feedback and colour suggestions. If I drop of the face of the earth (and even if I don’t) CatInASuit will be the backup Moderator. Hopefully this new mechanic will work. If not, I hope we can have fun and learn something from the game anyway. The International Crime Ring has authorities in London and Wellington worried. Intelligence reports show activity in London, United Kingdom and Wellington, New Zealand. Flush out the criminals and make your cities safe once more. Dire situations call for dire measures. The following Players are in London and are therefore eligible to post as well as vote: Astral Rejection Baffle Drain Bead MentalGuy MHaye Mrs McGinty NAF1138 Pleonast Rin Twisted Romanic ShadowFacts Wolverine You may vote for anyone alive in the game, but the arrest warrant issued will only be effective in London. The following Players are in Wellington and are therefore UNABLE to post and UNABLE to vote: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies GuiriEnEspaña Mahaloth Natlaw Normal Phase peekercpa Scuba Ben special ed USCDiver The following Players are in Transit to Wellington and are therefore able to post but unable to vote: Idle Thoughts Suburban Plankton London Day will end at 21:00 GMT Monday 13 December 2010. Wellington Night will end at 10:00AM NZDT Tuesday 14 December 2010. (Monday 4:00PM EST 13 December 2010 for the Yanks) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-mafia/562553.md?page=5)