Back in the day, they sold these shirts that were reminiscent about Rock and Roll world tour (insert Band), it started off with the Soviet Union and all the countries that it had invaded since 1945, and usually it would end at the bottom with a quote that said, coming soon to a country near you.
Of course someone would have to do the same with the USA, usually it was from Vietnam, up to Grenada at the time. I have to check Amazon, cause I think that shirt/sweatshirt is going to be making a comeback. Up here in Canada, 705 not the 416/905, but for the most part, positive.
Its a big country and I would not really believe anyone who could state the national barometer regarding a specific , we don’t do group think and hive mind up here.
Well, you are correct again. Certainly in Canada there are those who support Trump, and think he’s terrific. These would be the same people who you might run into in the supermarket, who loudly opine that “Them Muslims should just pack up their turbans and go back to India.” Or they might be the guy in the bar who thinks “the damn indians get everything paid for, they are so lucky and they don’t pay any taxes ever”.
In Germany, there are some who think that a return to times when people were stuffed into gas chambers would be a terrific thing.
Probably in every country in Europe, in New Zealand, in Australia, etc. there are those who love authority, and think that a bully tyrant who brags about grabbing pussy would make a great leader.
So there is definitely a segment in other countries that support Trump.
These people are scum, and are definitely in a small minority in each of these countries however.
But to look on the bright side, you still have Russia, Saudi Arabia and North Korea as you new allies. Maybe send them a bouquet this valentines day.
Hopefully we can win a game of chicken against Trump. A trade war would hurt us a lot more than it would hurt the States, but Ontario’s auto sector may be sufficiently intertwined with America’s that Trump wouldn’t be willing to risk alienating his supporters in the rust belt. I get the feeling that plenty of Canadians would even welcome the opportunity to replace NAFTA with a Canada-U.S. free trade deal that cuts out Mexico.
Well Cory Bernardi is fundamentalist reptile who will get a further 5 ½ years sitting on the Senate cross benches before getting his parliamentary pension after being shellacked at the ballot box.
South Australia is the ancestral home of the Australian Democrats, and Nick Xenephon has the lovable local maverick market all tied up. There’s no room to the right of the LIBs there and so he’s self-immolated toast.
Grief or good grief?
Well Big Brother has gone and got himself addicted to ice.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
Probably had to happen and maybe when bleeding voluminously from the ears or wallet he’ll come to his senses.
At that stage he’ll be welcome back to the family BBQ. The adults won’t mention the affair again, but we’ll have moved on.
In 1980 the aforementioned Lee Kuan Yew warned that Australia was destined to become the “poor white trash” of Asia. It was a well-heeded warning. Corrective action was taken, though it’s still a work in progress. Both sides are much the better for the reform. At this stage I think it’s even money that Australia will be disaligned from America before we are independent of the monarchy.
Simple.
They are going to win the next Queensland election. That’s the ancestral home of the Australian ratbags.
They want a voice for their collective grievances, so give them a megaphone. Then those of us south of the Tweed can ignore them with impunity.
Faced with the impossible task of enacting their incoherent agenda it will degenerate into a three ring circus tent of incontinent whinging, blame and micturation followed by electoral oblivion for another decade.
There’s no killing off the cane toads or their white shoes.
Weirdly, even though it’s discussed a lot in the media, French people don’t talk much about it, it seems to me (other people experience might vary). Presumably because there are a lot of big events in our own incoming and increasingly confusing presidential election (we’ve gone through two “100% certain to win” candidates already), and people talk about that instead.
(By the way, the last, though less important than others, thing seems to be that the far right candidate Marine Le Pen would receive Russian support. Does Russia intend to involve itself in all western elections?)
Reading this CNN article, while it seems there is some support for Trump in Europe it’s pretty much fringe support. I don’t know how much actual popularity some of these right wing (by European standards) political parties are or how much of a chance they actually have to gain power, but it seems a similar dynamic is in place wrt fear of terrorist attacks and immigration concerns.
That article mentions just a few countries. In others, Trump support is much more than fringe.
Hungarian sitting prime minister praises Trump, celebrates Trump win. And Trump loves him back.
Trump-aligned Austrian FPÖ is way ahead in polls and came close to winning the presidency.
Largest and governing party in Poland and the President are big Trump supporters, although worried about Trump’s support of Putin and his dissing of NATO.
Milos Zeman is not right wing, he’s a social democrat. Robert Fico next door is also the leader of the center-left party, and shares Trump’s (and Zeman’s) support for a Muslim ban. I don’t think he’s opined about Trump specifically though.
Public opinion in Europe is generally favourable to stopping further immigration and Muslim immigration in particular, but that isn’t the same thing as favouring Trump. It’s possible to favour a Muslim ban and oppose trump for lots of other reasons.
That’s true. But at the same time, much of the opposition to Trump in the US has been driven by immigration-related issues. So when Trump’s opponents are trying to bolster their opposition to Trump by pointing to European agreement with this, it’s worth pointing out that European attitudes about the very issues on which Trump is most vociferously opposed in the US are somewhat ambivalent, and not nearly as aligned with Trump’s opponents as one might suppose at first glance.
I disagree on two counts. First, the attitude toward Muslims and Muslim immigration in Europe is not consistent among different countries and the broad-brush statements about anti-Muslim sentiment seem to be coming predominantly from the European right. For example, Pew Research reports that …
In spring 2016, we asked residents of European counties whether they viewed Muslims favorably or unfavorably. Perceptions varied across European nations, from a largely favorable view in France (67%), Germany (65%) and the United Kingdom (63%) to a less favorable view in Italy (25%), Poland (19%) and Hungary (14%).
The second major problem is that your implication that the Muslim ban is the major reason for opposition to Trump is hugely mistaken. It’s certainly a big news item right now but the vociferous opposition to Trump was in full swing long before he ever made that statement in the campaign. The whole anti-Muslim thing is just a symptom rather than a singular issue; in the less than three weeks since he was sworn, the list of idiotic actions and pronouncements has been growing practically faster than they can be recorded.
I see that after a week of meetings of the minions, Trudeau is meeting with Trump on Monday. This should be an interesting tightrope walk. It’s like meeting with a very rich uncle who happens to be a sociopathic lunatic. Trudeau had a very warm friendship with Obama which I’m sure he misses very much.
I agree that there’s variation by country, though I don’t think this is significant. But I also think it’s a mistake to use a poll about favorable views of Muslims as a proxy for views about immigration. You should look at the poll which asked about immigration specifically, linked in post #48 of this thread, which showed both higher support for limiting immigration (as compared to unfavorable views of Muslims in your Pew poll) and less variation by country.
I didn’t say “the major …”, and I didn’t say Muslims specifically. I said “much of …” and “immigration-related”, the latter term including both Muslim and Mexican immigration.
Trump has said a lot of idiotic things, but in terms of substance these issues seem to be attracting most of the more vociferous opposition.
Um, no. First of all, the public opinion survey we’re referring to is specifically about whether further Muslim net immigration should be halted, not about Islam in general. The results there are more consistent:
“In our survey, carried out before President Trump’s executive order was announced, respondents were given the following statement: ‘All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped’. They were then asked to what extent did they agree or disagree with this statement. Overall, across all 10 of the European countries an average of 55% agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25% neither agreed nor disagreed and 20% disagreed.Majorities in all but two of the ten states agreed, ranging from 71% in Poland, 65% in Austria, 53% in Germany and 51% in Italy to 47% in the United Kingdom and 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%.”
They go on to slice the respondents by gender, age, education level, etc., but even among the relatively pro-immigration sectors (Millennials and the college educated), a plurality favoured a complete ban on Muslim immigration.
Secondly, there’s no reason to think opposition to Muslim immigration comes only from the right. Ethnicity is generally a separate ideological axis from the right-left economic spectrum, and one can hold conservative views on issues of ethnicity, immigration, etc… while holding left wing views about economics. (In eastern Europe, for example, position on the right left axis is generally anticorrelated with liberalism, which is why you see a lot of opposition to mass migration and the refugee quotas from Eastern European communists, social democrats, and socialists).
This is quite correct: there are lots of reasons to oppose Trump. I know plenty of people who support the general idea of banning Muslim immigration (though not the ham-fisted way trump’s travel ban was enacted), but loathe Trump in general and voted Democratic.
I’m not sure what you’re saying “no” to as I cited a perfectly clear survey. What is perplexing to me is how, in Germany say, 65% of those polled view their Muslim population favorably, yet in a different poll 53% supposedly want to ban “all further migration from mainly Muslim countries”. Apparently they like them, but they don’t want any more of them. This doesn’t make sense, and speaks to a difference of interpretation or some other artifact. When I Google the question, I get lots of links to right-wing garbage sites like Infowars, Breitbart, and the Washington Times, all of them citing the same Chatham House poll. I’m not questioning the integrity of Chatham House, but I’d like to see this inconsistency resolved with more independent evidence.
Furthermore, IIRC, other surveys have shown that in the UK, Muslims as a group compared to the general population tend to be more law-abiding, more respectful of authority, and to have more faith in government and the justice system. So even if some significant minority of the responders have a negative view of their country’s Muslim population, it seems to derive more from bigotry than from evidence. This is decidedly not the case in France where many Muslims tend to be marginalized and where some have engaged in violent acts, but then, here in North American some white supremacists have engaged in violent acts for no actual discernible reason whatsoever except blind hate.
This is so last week. Right now the current major concern is abuse of power. See this thread, which as I write this is at the top of the GD thread listing.
I may like shoe shops; that doesn’t mean I want ever more shoe shops on the high street.
British muslims are probably as law-abiding as the rest — although running rape-gangs ‘on an industrial scale’ doesn’t endear, nor their attitudes to women generally — however that is not a reason for having them in this country, such as their fear of persecution in their muslim home country is a valid reason.
However muslims are now about 5% of the English population: even if it happens there is no reason for natives to want them to become 25% or 50%, any more than they want 50% to be Chinese, or American, or Shamanists.
Oh please. You are just minimizing the whole world here. How small can you make it? I hope I don’t hear you saying anyone else is in a “bubble.” Trump is being opposed on almost everything, and give it some time: It’s only a couple weeks into the adm. It’s already an unholy mess on many many fronts. In your mind it’s mostly immigration issues. I don’t care any more about that than climate; corruption; conflicts of interest; stolen supreme court appointment; russia; tweets, family; tweets, judicial; tweets, economic. This presidents appointments have been so egregious its almost seems to be trolling decent thinking people in this country. OMG.