# Internet Child Porn Ring...run by the parents of the molested children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2002, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177 "2002-08-09T18:37:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/1 "2002-08-09T18:37:50Z")
Just damn… [http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60022,00.html](http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60022,00.html) I think we need a crying smiley (oxymoron or not, there’s just too many of these stories) ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/2 "2002-08-09T19:05:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Nine Americans from seven states were named in the indictment unsealed in Fresno, Calif. Bonner said one has already pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. A 10th American committed suicide after his arrest, he said. I hate to take pleasure in the death of another person, but thanks for saving the state of California the cost of your trial, you sick fuck. > [@](#): > > Six residents of Denmark, Switzerland and the Netherlands were also indicted in Fresno, and the Justice Department is seeking their extradition to the United States to face charges. Insert European Liberalism Joke Here. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/3 "2002-08-09T20:06:08Z")
“Some defendants could receive 60 years if convicted of all charges against them.” Only 60 years? Meaning some of these excuses for life could live to see freedom? That is, assuming any one of them survives their first day in jail. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/4 "2002-08-09T20:09:32Z")
\>\> Insert European Liberalism Joke Here Ok, Here’s the joke: Americans can’t count. 37 American children were victims 8 European children were victims do you need a pie chart? What I don’t understand is why the US is seeking extradition of the European suspects. Shouldn’t they be prosecuted in their own countries? ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/5 "2002-08-09T20:28:02Z")
Insert Definition Of “Joke” Here. :rolleyes: Here’s some more math for you: 10 Americans were identified and charged. 6 Europeans were identified and charged. 4 Europeans are charged but unidentified. 10=10. Can I have Cool Whip with that pie? ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/6 "2002-08-09T20:52:53Z")
Ok, so what’s the conclusion that follows? American molesters are more efficient and fewer molesters molested more children? American police are less efficient and have detained fewer molesters? I am still not sure how “Insert European Liberalism Joke” fits. Maybe I am missing something but does it somehow imply those countries in Europe are more tolerant regarding child molestation? I don’t get it. At any rate, why would the European guys be extradited to the US? ---
**Author:** ![WV\_Woman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@WV\_Woman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WV_Woman)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/7 "2002-08-09T21:02:09Z")
**. Maybe I am missing something but does it somehow imply those countries in Europe are more tolerant regarding child molestation?** Actually yeah, a lot of European countries ARE more tolerant regarding child molestation. I know for a fact that Sweden will _not_ extradite someone brought up on molestation charges. Back in the 70s a dentist from Paducah, KY got busted molesting a lot of his child patients … he fled to Sweden, who wouldn’t cough him up for trial. After 20 years (the amount of time his jail term would have been, ironically), he came back to Paducah to face the music. In some places in Europe it’s just not as big of a deal as we make it over here. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/8 "2002-08-09T21:04:40Z")
It was a **joke** , sailor. You know, how American conservatives think that the European liberal democracies are dens of depravity? Just a little poke at reactionaries. Cripes. As for the extraditions, maybe we have harsher penalties and they’d prefer to have them tried here? Beats me. What are the penalties in Denmark and Switzerland for child porn? ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/9 "2002-08-09T21:06:41Z")
Damn. It would have been funnier if you had waited for me to post first, WV\_Woman. Now you’ve ruined everything. ---
**Author:** ![Cessandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cessandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cessandra)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/10 "2002-08-09T21:08:24Z")
I’m confused. 37 American children + 8 European children = 45 victims. All of the other numbers in the article involve how many ADULTS were involved. What exactly was miscounted? (Sorry, I can’t think about children being hurt right now, so I am concentrating on the numbers.) ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/11 "2002-08-09T22:11:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > What are the penalties in Denmark and Switzerland for child porn? Probably not as strict as in the USA. In [Switzerland](http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaSuisse.asp):[ul][li]Child rape - at most 10 years;[/li][li]Sex with children - at most 5 years;[/li]Possession of child porn - imprisonment and a fine (another page I found said that a guideline was proposed to make the maximum length of imprisonment for **possession** of child pornography to be at most 1 year, but I don’t know if that ever took effect.)[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/12 "2002-08-09T22:29:10Z")
Some people don’t deserve kids. Since the birth of my son, I have realized he is the most precious gift in the world and I find it hard to believe others don’t feel the same way about thier kids. Unbe-fuckin’-leavable! I’m gonna go home and give my kid a hug as soon as I get there. * * * Bring on the Beer! ---
**Author:** ![Jurhael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jurhael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurhael)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/13 "2002-08-09T23:48:53Z")
Here’s your crying smiley: [http://jowysiren.spores.net/smileys/crying.gif](http://jowysiren.spores.net/smileys/crying.gif) Anyway, "In Switzerland: Child rape - at most 10 years; Sex with children - at most 5 years; Possession of child porn - imprisonment and a fine (another page I found said that a guideline was proposed to make the maximum length of imprisonment for possession of child pornography to be at most 1 year, but I don’t know if that ever took effect.)" What? Oh my god…but I wonder though…how often do they happen compared to in the US… ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/14 "2002-08-09T23:53:40Z")
Typeth by Arnold: > [@](#): > > Child rape - at most 10 years; > Sex with children - at most 5 years; What’s the difference here? Is the second similar to statutory rape in the US? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/15 "2002-08-10T00:18:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I know for a fact that Sweden will _not_ extradite someone brought up on molestation charges. … > In some places in Europe it’s just not as big of a deal as we make it over here. IMO, that’s unrelated. Countries usually don’t extradite their citizens, whatever the charges could be. And I don’t know what the situation is in all european countries, but child abuse became a very big deal in most countries I heard of, during the recent years, US and EU alike. By the way, I’m wondering why it happenned roughly at the same time on both sides of the Atlantic… ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/16 "2002-08-10T01:11:55Z")
All I have to say is: I am very glad I don’t personally know any of the accused. This way, I’ve not been put in a position where I might fail to resist my urge to stomp them to a bloody pulp. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/17 "2002-08-10T01:18:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **pldennison** : It was a joke, sailor. You know, how American conservatives think that the European liberal democracies are dens of depravity? Just a little poke at reactionaries. Cripes Yup, I was missing the whole point. Now I get it. I know it ruins a joke if you have to explain it. Sorry about that, I guess I’m just a bit slow today. And speaking of “how American conservatives think that the European liberal democracies are dens of depravity”, well, look who’s here. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by **WV\_Woman** : > Actually yeah, a lot of European countries ARE more tolerant regarding child molestation. > > I know for a fact that Sweden will _not_ extradite someone brought up on molestation charges. Back in the 70s a dentist from Paducah, KY got busted molesting a lot of his child patients … he fled to Sweden, who wouldn’t cough him up for trial. After 20 years (the amount of time his jail term would have been, ironically), he came back to Paducah to face the music. > > In some places in Europe it’s just not as big of a deal as we make it over here **WV\_Woman** : I am so glad we are in the pit so I can tell you again what I posted in [a whole thread we had recently](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127775) dedicated all to your very self. I know for a fact that you are a fucking and ignorant idiot. That’s a **fact**. Sweden, like other parts of the world not part of the USA, is a sovereign country and extraditions are governed by extradition treaties between the two sovereign countries. It is not like a country can willy nilly decide on the spur of the moment who they will or will not extradite. Sweden has judges who interpret the law, just like the US. So, your saying Sweden did not extradite someone just because child molestation is no big deal is just utter stupidity. Go and inform yourself and see if Sweden broke any obligations they had under whatever extradition treaties they had with the US. I doubt they did. Your assertion would be equivalent to saying murder in the USA is not a big deal and that’s why they let OJ Simpson go free. Let me repeat: You are a fucking idiot. Go read [the thread we dedicated to your idiocy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127775) and quit spouting garbage. ---
**Author:** ![WV\_Woman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@WV\_Woman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WV_Woman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/18 "2002-08-10T01:39:42Z")
**IMO, that’s unrelated. Countries usually don’t extradite their citizens, whatever the charges could be.** This man was an American. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/19 "2002-08-10T02:51:14Z")
\>\> This man was an American Provide a cite showing the US requested the extradition in due form and time according to whatever treaty the US had with Sweden at the time and Sweden rejected the request without justification. ---
**Author:** ![japatlgt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df705f/32.png) [@japatlgt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/japatlgt)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177/20 "2002-08-10T04:47:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\*\>\> This man was an American > > Provide a cite showing the US requested the extradition in due form and time according to whatever treaty the US had with Sweden at the time and Sweden rejected the request without justification. \*\* (Austin Powers) "Erriight… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/internet-child-porn-ring-run-by-the-parents-of-the-molested-children/123177.md?page=2)