# Interpol to issue international arrest warrant for Dick Cheney **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 2, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691 "2010-12-02T18:27:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/21 "2010-12-03T08:18:55Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Pinochet was dragged into court despite his infirmities. Pretty sure I recall former Nazi war criminals being dragged to court despite old age and infirmity. Perhaps even mafia types pretending infirmity but that may have been a movie (:)). > > I do not recall a lot of people complaining that the left was beating up on old men who didn’t deserve it in those cases. > > Cheney is right up there with that lot and while I doubt he will ever be prosecuted he deserves to be. It is a nice attempt to put Cheney in the same light as ranking Nazi members, but Cheney isn’t a member of the Nazi party, who by the end of WWII where universally despised by even the German people. Cheney is a highly respected member of the Republican party, last I checked a good portion on the country still supports them. By all means continue on the crusade to bring the man to justice, but don’t sit back believing it is a good political decision to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/22 "2010-12-03T08:46:33Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > It is a nice attempt to put Cheney in the same light as ranking Nazi members, but Cheney isn’t a member of the Nazi party, who by the end of WWII where universally despised by even the German people. > > Cheney is a highly respected member of the Republican party, last I checked a good portion on the country still supports them. > > By all means continue on the crusade to bring the man to justice, but don’t sit back believing it is a good political decision to do so. Define what made the Nazis “evil”. Tell me why Cheney is, at the root of it, different. I am sure there were “highly respected members” of the Nazi party too (or National Socialist German Workers’ Party if you prefer). So what? Cheney, in his own words, was peachy about waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture. He broke international and US law on that count alone. He demeaned an entire country. That is just one issue of his. We could go on but this thread is not about that. Just do not pretend that somehow being a “respected member of the Republican party” means anything (woudn’t mean anything if you substituted “Democratic party” there either). > [@](#): > > **Cheney: “I Was A Big Supporter Of Waterboarding”** > > SOURCE: [Cheney: "I Was A Big Supporter Of Waterboarding" - The Atlantic](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/cheney-i-was-a-big-supporter-of-waterboarding.html) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/23 "2010-12-03T13:18:19Z")
Although nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing Cheney in an orange prison jumpsuit having a noose tightened around his neck, the old bastard probably won’t live to see 2012 as it is. I say let him die in peace. There are times when you can be in the right and look like a prick by pursuing it, this is one of those times. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/24 "2010-12-03T13:42:58Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I like that the prosecutor’s name is Godwin. It’s like the whole Internet is after Cheney. Well he is a treasonous jackass who should litter be forced to eat shit for the damage he willing selfishly did to the country to make himself richer and advanced his goals. Quite frankly you must be extremely ignorant or biased to the point of treason to not see what an asshole Chaney and any traitor or fool who supported him is. **BobLibDem** , I don’t know if there’s an after life after this one, and if there is may his be extra warm variety, but just in case there isn’t I want his last years to be hell on earth filled with torment and soul crushing regret for the traitor. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/25 "2010-12-03T14:09:56Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > **BobLibDem** , I don’t know if there’s an after life after this one, and if there is may his be extra warm variety, but just in case there isn’t I want his last years to be hell on earth filled with torment and soul crushing regret for the traitor. I agree, but you have to ask yourself: would pursuing justice against Cheney help or hurt the country and the world? I can see where it might cause enough backlash to tip the scales of the next election to someone just as repulsive. Add to that his age and poor health and the benefit/risk ratio of prosecuting Cheney becomes minuscule. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/26 "2010-12-03T16:19:47Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I agree, but you have to ask yourself: would pursuing justice against Cheney help or hurt the country and the world? I can see where it might cause enough backlash to tip the scales of the next election to someone just as repulsive. Add to that his age and poor health and the benefit/risk ratio of prosecuting Cheney becomes minuscule. Crimes need to be punished…particularly crimes of his caliber. There is a distinct lack of accountability in the US. That should change and not hinge on age or health. So what if the echo chamber on the right cries foul? They are crying foul at pretty much anything these days anyway. The people who will see it as a “hit job” are the whacked out right anyway and not prosecuting Cheney won’t mollify them and hard for them to get more extreme as is. So, may as well send the fucker up the river if it could be managed (which I am almost sure it never will be). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/27 "2010-12-03T16:28:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > … Maybe the Nigerians can send Cheney an e-mail that starts out > > "Dear Fellow God-lover Cheney - > > I am wife of deceased minister in charge of Halliburton of our both interest. I am having the sume of 25,000,000 USD dollar which I am wanting to retrieve out of this so late country of troubles. > > I am receiving your name of good Christian friend. In return for you assistance in this matter, I am offer you 10% of this. Please come to our captial city soonest to arrange for pick up of these moneys…’ > > Shodan That just made my day 😃 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/28 "2010-12-03T16:45:19Z")
[QUOTE=Whack-a-Mole] Crimes need to be punished…particularly crimes of his caliber. [/QUOTE] It’s funny, though, that no actual crimes have been put forth against the man. Unless you think that this farce of bribery charges in Nigeria constitute actual crimes? I assume you mean all the wolf cry crimes we’ve been hearing the left breathlessly expound about for the last decade, right? Well…were is the beef? Democrats controlled the house, senate and the presidency. So…where is the evidence? > [@](#): > > There is a distinct lack of accountability in the US. That should change and not hinge on age or health. We have this thing called ‘due process’ here…perhaps that’s a problem? Granted, his health shouldn’t be a factor…completely agree. I seriously doubt that if there was real evidence of actual crimes that the Dems would simply let it go because Cheney is old and sick, however…which, using my own Occam’s Razor seems to indicate that no such evidence exists. That isn’t to say that he didn’t commit any crimes, but that there is no evidence that he did…which means, in our system, that he’s innocent until proven guilty of something. Right? > [@](#): > > So what if the echo chamber on the right cries foul? The irony of this is pretty much off the scale. It’s also one of the funniest things I’ve read today, so I thank you for that at least. > [@](#): > > They are crying foul at pretty much anything these days anyway. 😛 > [@](#): > > The people who will see it as a “hit job” are the whacked out right anyway and not prosecuting Cheney won’t mollify them and hard for them to get more extreme as is. The people who see this as a ‘hit job’ do so because, you know, the left has yet to substantiate a frigging thing that they have been yammering about for over a decade, despite the fact that the Dems have been in full control for several years now. Not a single scrap of these ‘crimes’ has come out. Again…where is the beef? I have zero problem with prosecuting Cheney, Bush or any of the merry men for actual crimes committed during their reign. Send em up the river. Give them the maximum sentences humanly available. First, however, the left is going to need some of that evidence stuff. Otherwise it’s the same old bitching and moaning we’ve all been hearing for years, with no substance. > [@](#): > > So, may as well send the fucker up the river if it could be managed (which I am almost sure it never will be). Are you talking about the OP and the charges by the _snicker_ ‘Nigerian anti-corruption agency’, our your fantasy charges with no substance? Or do you think we should simply send him up the river on the assumption of guilt because some folks on the left hate his guts? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/29 "2010-12-03T16:51:52Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Define what made the Nazis “evil”. Tell me why Cheney is, at the root of it, different. > > I am sure there were “highly respected members” of the Nazi party too (or National Socialist German Workers’ Party if you prefer). So what? While I believe those who authorized the waterboarding of detainees should be prosecuted, you kind of need to step back for a minute if you think it rises to the level of incinerating millions of Jews and gays and gypsies and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/30 "2010-12-03T17:32:24Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > It’s funny, though, that no actual crimes have been put forth against the man. Unless you think that this farce of bribery charges in Nigeria constitute actual crimes? I assume you mean all the wolf cry crimes we’ve been hearing the left breathlessly expound about for the last decade, right? Well…were is the beef? Democrats controlled the house, senate and the presidency. So…where is the evidence? > > \ > > The people who see this as a ‘hit job’ do so because, you know, the left has yet to substantiate a frigging thing that they have been yammering about for over a decade, despite the fact that the Dems have been in full control for several years now. Not a single scrap of these ‘crimes’ has come out. Again…where is the beef? I have zero problem with prosecuting Cheney, Bush or any of the merry men for actual crimes committed during their reign. Send em up the river. Give them the maximum sentences humanly available. The naivete is strong with this one. > [@](#): > > **Justice Dept. ‘Cannot’ Probe Waterboarding, Mukasey Says** > > The attorney general yesterday rejected growing congressional calls for a criminal investigation of the CIA’s use of simulated drownings to extract information from its detainees, as Vice President Cheney called it a “good thing” that the CIA was able to learn what it did from those subjected to the practice. > > The remarks reflected a renewed effort by the Bush administration to defend its past approval of the interrogation tactic known as waterboarding, which some lawmakers, human rights experts and international lawyers have described as illegal torture. > > Testifying before the House Judiciary Committee, Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey said Justice Department lawyers concluded that the CIA’s use of waterboarding in 2002 and 2003 was legal, and therefore the department cannot investigate whether a crime had occurred. > > SOURCE: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/07/AR2008020701542.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/07/AR2008020701542.html) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/31 "2010-12-03T17:35:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > While I believe those who authorized the waterboarding of detainees should be prosecuted, you kind of need to step back for a minute if you think it rises to the level of incinerating millions of Jews and gays and gypsies and so on. It was simply an example and not an attempt to Godwinize the thread. For example a guy who beats his wife is not (necessarily) a Nazi. There are lots of kinds of evil in the world. I do not think Cheney is a Nazi but I think he is evil (and I say that with no hyperbole). Point being it is right and proper to bust people for wrongdoing when it is found. That our elected representatives (among others) have arranged things to give themselves legal cover does not change the sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/32 "2010-12-03T17:45:49Z")
[QUOTE=Whack-a-Mole] The naivete is strong with this one. [/QUOTE] Well, that was in 2008. What have you done for me lately? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/33 "2010-12-03T17:58:58Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, that was in 2008. What have you done for me lately? Huh? Most of the whole thing was stonewalled back then. What else do you expect to be done? The Bush administration asked the Justice Department for a legal rationale to waterboard. When they did not get what they wanted they found other lawyers in the DoJ who would. Voila…legal cover (same as asking a cop if you can skateboard in a park and then not get arrested for skateboarding in the park…not sure of the legal term for this). So were the lawyers wrong? Well, that has been looked into more recently. > [@](#): > > While the probe is sharply critical of the legal reasoning used to justify waterboarding and other “enhanced” interrogation techniques, NEWSWEEK has learned that a senior Justice official who did the final review of the report softened an earlier OPR finding. Previously, the report concluded that two key authors—Jay Bybee, now a federal appellate court judge, and John Yoo, now a law professor—violated their professional obligations as lawyers when they crafted a crucial 2002 memo approving the use of harsh tactics, say two Justice sources who asked for anonymity discussing an internal matter. But the reviewer, career veteran David Margolis, downgraded that assessment to say they showed “poor judgment,” say the sources. (Under department rules, poor judgment does not constitute professional misconduct.) The shift is significant: the original finding would have triggered a referral to state bar associations for potential disciplinary action—which, in Bybee’s case, could have led to an impeachment inquiry. > > SOURCE: [Justice Official Clears Bush Lawyers in Torture Memo Probe - Newsweek](http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/2010/01/29/justice-official-clears-bush-lawyers-in-torture-memo-probe.html) Await your next dodge. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/34 "2010-12-03T19:16:21Z")
MY next dodge?? 😛 The Dems have had control of both houses since 2006. They have had the presidency since 2009. Are you implying that the Republicans can continue to stonewall, and that Bush can continue to block all efforts at justice years after they and he have been unable to wield any power? That Bush et al’s ‘legal rationale to waterboard’ is cast in concrete for all time, inviolate due to…what? Their vast evil power lingering for all time like an evil fog? While you might have had some sort of point in 2008 about Bush/Cheney’s ‘illegal’ actions being covered up by the Republicans, that was then and this is now…and yet, I see zero difference. I see zero movement on bringing the supposed criminals to justice. All I DO see is the same yammering from the left about these supposedly illegal acts, and a lot of handwaving. Basically, if Bush et al could get away with doing the level of illegal acts such that even today, after the Dems take over, they are still untouchable, then all I can say is our system is completely broken, because that means the Dems are in on it too. And terms like ‘illegal’ have no real meaning anymore. Regardless, the subject of THIS thread is Cheney’s supposed illegal acts in Nigeria. Do you have anything to add to that subject? I seriously doubt we are going to see eye to eye on the hijack since you obviously have a hard on to have Cheney thrown into jail regardless of a burden of proof, and frankly I don’t give a shit and am just tired of hearing this same song and dance. What are your thoughts on Nigeria issuing arrest warrants for Cheney (and the others)? Would you be happy to see him turned over to the Nigerian’s for ‘justice’ on this? What do you suppose they would do to him, if they got him? Do you suppose he’d do hard time? -XT ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/35 "2010-12-03T19:25:47Z")
Oh come on. At most, the Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate. With 40 Republicans in lock-step opposition to every proposal, any legislation that is objectionable to the most conservative Democratic member was doomed to failure. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/36 "2010-12-03T19:28:14Z")
Oh come now yourself. Even when the Pubs held both houses they never had that much of an advantage…and by 2008 they didn’t have any at all. Are you sitting there telling me that the Pubs could control the government stronger with less numbers than the Dems can with more?? :dubious: -XT ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/37 "2010-12-03T19:34:03Z")
Yes, because the Dems are weak and won’t force the filibuster issue. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/38 "2010-12-03T19:36:26Z")
Then ‘illegal’ has no meaning, since there will never be any opportunity to try the issue and determine guilt or innocence. And you people (and myself, since I voted for Obama) were/are fools to vote Democrat. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/39 "2010-12-03T19:53:38Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > MY next dodge?? 😛 The Dems have had control of both houses since 2006. They have had the presidency since 2009. Are you implying that the Republicans can continue to stonewall, and that Bush can continue to block all efforts at justice years after they and he have been unable to wield any power? That Bush et al’s ‘legal rationale to waterboard’ is cast in concrete for all time, inviolate due to…what? Their vast evil power lingering for all time like an evil fog? > > While you might have had some sort of point in 2008 about Bush/Cheney’s ‘illegal’ actions being covered up by the Republicans, that was then and this is now…and yet, I see zero difference. I see zero movement on bringing the supposed criminals to justice. All I DO see is the same yammering from the left about these supposedly illegal acts, and a lot of handwaving. Basically, if Bush et al could get away with doing the level of illegal acts such that even today, after the Dems take over, they are still untouchable, then all I can say is our system is completely broken, because that means the Dems are in on it too. And terms like ‘illegal’ have no real meaning anymore. Administrations do not want to get into the business of witch hunting on the previous administration because sooner or later someone will come after them. Nevertheless, Cheney admitted to (your words) “supposedly illegal acts”. > [@](#): > > I signed off on [waterboarding/enhanced interrogation techniques]; others did, as well, too. I wasn’t the ultimate authority, obviously. As the Vice President, I don’t run anything. But I was in the loop. I thought that it was absolutely the right thing to do. I thought the legal opinions that were rendered were sound. I think the techniques were reasonable in terms of what they were asking to be able to do. And I think it produced the desired result. > > Source: [Washington Times - Politics, Breaking News, US and World News](http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/potus-notes/2008/Dec/22/cheney-interview-transcript/) Now the only question is whether waterboarding is torture and illegal. You may be content with the tortured (pun intended) legal contortions they did to render it “ok” but apparently you are one of the few who does not see the legal twists they made as self serving and unethical. In the past, in the US, waterboarding has been deemed torture and people were prosecuted for it. In your world it is fine when Cheney ok’s it though. > [@](#): > > Regardless, the subject of THIS thread is Cheney’s supposed illegal acts in Nigeria. Do you have anything to add to that subject? I seriously doubt we are going to see eye to eye on the hijack since you obviously have a hard on to have Cheney thrown into jail regardless of a burden of proof, and frankly I don’t give a shit and am just tired of hearing this same song and dance. What are your thoughts on Nigeria issuing arrest warrants for Cheney (and the others)? Would you be happy to see him turned over to the Nigerian’s for ‘justice’ on this? What do you suppose they would do to him, if they got him? Do you suppose he’d do hard time? I addressed the OP in post #6. Your proof I just handed to you…Cheney admits to authorizing waterboarding. Waterboarding has only been “legal” since Cheney & Co. got the DoJ to wave a magic wand and make it so. So yeah, I’d say the system is severely broken. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691/40 "2010-12-03T19:55:17Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Oh come now yourself. Even when the Pubs held both houses they never had that much of an advantage…and by 2008 they didn’t have any at all. Are you sitting there telling me that the Pubs could control the government stronger with less numbers than the Dems can with more?? :dubious: > > -XT Absolutely. Republicans view every non-unanimous vote as a sign of weakness. Their political range is from ultra super duper right wing to ultra super right wing. They will vote as a block every single time. Democrats can do less with more numbers because they tolerate dissent within the party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interpol-to-issue-international-arrest-warrant-for-dick-cheney/562691.md?page=3)