# Intolerant Athiests **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172 "2012-01-11T16:04:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/21 "2012-01-11T16:41:39Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Mental note: Chimera is not a smart person. Mental Note: Lobohan is just another intolerant jackass who believes that everyone who doesn’t think they way he thinks has to be an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/22 "2012-01-11T16:43:35Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Mental note: Lobohan talks to himself. Mental note: Petition Skald to borrow flaming bee cannon. Addendum: Make sure it’s the cannon that fires flaming bees, not a conventional bee cannon that is itself on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/23 "2012-01-11T16:45:11Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Mental Note: Lobohan is just another intolerant jackass who believes that everyone who doesn’t think they way he thinks has to be an idiot. Not at all. I just think _you’re_ an idiot. Because you flap your fool mouth about stuff you don’t understand. Atheism isn’t a religion, and you aren’t equipped to talk about this issue because of your ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/24 "2012-01-11T16:47:48Z")
> [@IntelliQ](#): > > Dark matter, dark energy, and inflation. You’ve just proved you know as much about physics as you do about atheism- which is ironic because technically, you’re an atheist. The fact that you say you’re an agnostic does not mitigate your ignorance. Please just go ahead and join some lunatic organization. If you’re going to devote your energy to making moronic critiques of atheists and mangling science, you might as well enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/25 "2012-01-11T16:48:49Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Except that you do believe something. The fact that it isn’t about a God or anything supernatural is irrelevant. I should probably have said “believe in”, but you know exactly what I meant. But if you want to define religion so loosely that it becomes meaningless by insisting that anyone who believes anything at all has to be religious, that’s your choice. You’ll no longer be using English, and it will be impossible to talk about this issue with you, but that’s your loss. Probably other people’s gain, if your posts in this thread are anything to go by. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/26 "2012-01-11T16:53:48Z")
> [@IntelliQ](#): > > As someone who leans more towards science rather than spirituality, I enjoy seeing someone happy and believing in their God. I don’t believe in a god, but nonetheless I do have strong beliefs. One of those is protecting the lives and freedoms of all Americans. I believe so strongly in my bones that rights like freedom of speech and freedom of religion are worth fighting and dying for. And I would. \*\* However\*\*, that freedom ends where it tries to limit the rights of other citizens. And it so often pushed there. So yes, by all means those with religiosity my practice their faith, but I’ll be damned if I’ll allow them to limit the rights of citizens because they’re homosexual with no more thought then pointing to a few sentences in a book from the Bronze Age. Because while I have no personal dog in the fight for gay rights, their desire for dignity is one of my deeply held beliefs. So _who_ did you say was intolerant? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/27 "2012-01-11T16:56:44Z")
No dog in this fight either, but if God (apparently) wants Tebow to win football games, why does He let him throw so many interceptions? ---
**Author:** ![IntelliQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e99b99/32.png) [@IntelliQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IntelliQ)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/28 "2012-01-11T16:58:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’ve just proved you know as much about physics as you do about atheism- which is ironic because technically, you’re an atheist. The fact that you say you’re an agnostic does not mitigate your ignorance. Please just go ahead and join some lunatic organization. If you’re going to devote your energy to making moronic critiques of atheists and mangling science, you might as well enjoy it. Are those three things not theories? I did say I would post the question in another thread. Not a pit, but to fight ignorance (perhaps mine on that matter). You’re seriously and administrator here? What a twat. I am in fact an agnostic, I don’t know either way about how we got here or where we go afterwards, if anywhere. I simply dont know, however it is quite obvious that any questioning of the apparent hate towards Christians brings out the real gems of so called intellect. Thanks for illustrating my point. ---
**Author:** ![IntelliQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e99b99/32.png) [@IntelliQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IntelliQ)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/29 "2012-01-11T16:59:31Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I don’t believe in a god, but nonetheless I do have strong beliefs. One of those is protecting the lives and freedoms of all Americans. I believe so strongly in my bones that rights like freedom of speech and freedom of religion are worth fighting and dying for. And I would. \*\* However\*\*, that freedom ends where it tries to limit the rights of other citizens. > > And it so often pushed there. > > So yes, by all means those with religiosity my practice their faith, but I’ll be damned if I’ll allow them to limit the rights of citizens because they’re homosexual with no more thought then pointing to a few sentences in a book from the Bronze Age. Because while I have no personal dog in the fight for gay rights, their desire for dignity is one of my deeply held beliefs. > > So _who_ did you say was intolerant? 100% agreement ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/30 "2012-01-11T17:00:22Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > No dog in this fight either, but if God (apparently) wants Tebow to win football games, why does He let him throw so many interceptions? The other team’s coach is in an [iron chariot](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges_1:19&version=KJV). ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/31 "2012-01-11T17:00:36Z")
Meh, call it what you want. It just comes across as a lot more anger. “Atheism isn’t a religion”. Yeah, because you hate all religion and want to destroy or discredit it, so of course you can’t tolerate having your own beliefs called a religion because that would put you in the same camp as other religious “you’re wrong and therefore stupid and evil” fanatics. Even though you’re pushing the same message. I don’t really want to argue it with you, you can fucking call it what you want. I just would like you to step back and ask yourself if you’re acting as forceful, dismissive and intolerant as the people you decry. And if you really want to just jump right into anger and dismiss me as stupid, ignorant, whatever the fuck you need to label me as so that you don’t have to look in the mirror, then go for it. Whatever helps you justify your own behavior and lets you sleep at night. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/32 "2012-01-11T17:07:01Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > And if you really want to just jump right into anger and dismiss me as stupid, ignorant, whatever the fuck you need to label me as so that you don’t have to look in the mirror, then go for it. Whatever helps you justify your own behavior and lets you sleep at night. It should be easy enough to see how stupid and/or ignorant you are. Could you please give us your definition of “religion”? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/33 "2012-01-11T17:07:16Z")
> [@IntelliQ](#): > > Are those three things not theories? Yes, they’re scientific theories. Which makes them just like the Trinity, somehow? Inflation in particular is very strongly supported by evidence. Dark matter and dark energy have been observed indirectly. They’re not just stuff people believe in. We don’t really know what they are (hence the name), but they’re things that have been observed. > [@](#): > > I simply dont know, however it is quite obvious that any questioning of the apparent hate towards Christians brings out the real gems of so called intellect. Thanks for illustrating my point. I’m not criticizing you for failing to hate Christians. I’m calling you an idiot because you’re drawing moronic false equivalences between science and religion, because you evidently don’t know much of anything about science, and because of your dumb comments about atheists. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/34 "2012-01-11T17:09:13Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Meh, call it what you want. It just comes across as a lot more anger. “Atheism isn’t a religion”. Yeah, because you hate all religion and want to destroy or discredit it, so of course you can’t tolerate having your own beliefs called a religion because that would put you in the same camp as other religious “you’re wrong and therefore stupid and evil” fanatics. No, it isn’t a religion because it doesn’t have dogma, Gods or supernatural beliefs. You know you’re just digging the hole deeper, right? > [@](#): > > Even though you’re pushing the same message. The message I’m pushing, to the extent that I am, is that, “There is no evidence for any religion on Earth being true” and “Religion is a negative force in human culture”. > [@](#): > > I don’t really want to argue it with you I wouldn’t want to argue with me either, if I were as inept and unable to justify my positions as you are. > [@](#): > > , you can fucking call it what you want. I just would like you to step back and ask yourself if you’re acting as forceful, dismissive and intolerant as the people you decry. Am I suggesting legislation that forces you to live by my beliefs? Only one side is trying to oppress others here. Atheists aren’t forming a _compulsory abortion_ movement. > [@](#): > > And if you really want to just jump right into anger and dismiss me as stupid, ignorant You are ignorant. The fact that you have no intention of remedying it is what’s sad. > [@](#): > > , whatever the fuck you need to label me as so that you don’t have to look in the mirror, then go for it. Whatever helps you justify your own behavior and lets you sleep at night. What behavior is that? Telling religious people that there is no evidence for their beliefs isn’t attacking anyone. Unless you don’t want to face that there is no evidence and take it as such. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/35 "2012-01-11T17:12:54Z")
> [@IntelliQ](#): > > I am in fact an agnostic, I don’t know either way about how we got here or where we go afterwards, if anywhere. I simply dont know, however it is quite obvious that any questioning of the apparent hate towards Christians brings out the real gems of so called intellect. Thanks for illustrating my point. That’s not what agnostic means by the way, if one is agnostic it means you think you can never know about the existence of God(s). If you don’t believe in a God you are an atheist. No need to thank me for correcting you. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/36 "2012-01-11T17:14:28Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > The other team’s coach is in an [iron chariot](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges_1:19&version=KJV). I’ve got one of them there iron chariots. Nissan Altima. It’s pretty nice, but I had no idea until just now it was actually God-proof. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/37 "2012-01-11T17:15:22Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > No dog in this fight either, but if God (apparently) wants Tebow to win football games, why does He let him throw so many interceptions? I’m the silent Steelers fan on this board, so I watched the game. I’ve never seen their defense leave so many targets wide open right down the middle. Giving up 4 completions of 40+ yards? Incomprehensible. Maybe God parted the Steel Curtain or something. ---
**Author:** ![IntelliQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e99b99/32.png) [@IntelliQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IntelliQ)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/38 "2012-01-11T17:16:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, they’re scientific theories. Which makes them just like the Trinity, somehow? Inflation in particular is very strongly supported by evidence. Dark matter and dark energy have been observed indirectly. They’re not just stuff people believe in. We don’t really know what they are (hence the name), but they’re things that have been observed. > I’m not criticizing you for failing to hate Christians. I’m calling you an idiot because you’re drawing moronic false equivalences between science and religion, because you evidently don’t know much of anything about science, and because of your dumb comments about atheists. Science and religions both are littered with unproven beliefs. Fact. I wasnt even discussing the merits of either here in this thread. You’re very unfocused and not administrator material. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/39 "2012-01-11T17:16:12Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Remember, we atheists are intolerant by simply criticizing. Militant too! You’re not “simply criticizing.” :rolleyes: Your own miltancy is a mirror for the militancy you decry in others. Let the truth be known. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172/40 "2012-01-11T17:17:39Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > I’m the silent Steelers fan on this board, so I watched the game. I’ve never seen their defense leave so many targets wide open right down the middle. Giving up 4 completions of 40+ yards? Incomprehensible. Maybe God parted the Steel Curtain or something. Well, if there is a God, he seems to have a bit of a grudge towards Ike Taylor, I will say that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intolerant-athiests/609172.md?page=3)