# Introducing the former Bruce Jenner **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 1, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361 "2015-06-01T17:26:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/241 "2015-06-10T00:52:10Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Part of the answer can be found if you try to answer the question - what makes you feel you are a woman? I have a vagina (and now boobs), and people have always referred to me as female. I remember thinking when I got pregnant that I really couldn’t deny being female now, because being pregnant is like biological proof. FTR, I am perfectly happy being a woman, although if I were a man I don’t think it would upset me much either. I don’t disbelieve, or mind, that trans people have a strong sense of gender identity that overrides their outward physiology and everything anyone has ever said to them, but I definitely don’t understand it. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/242 "2015-06-10T01:11:41Z")
Check out this [video](http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/tweens-react-to-caitlyn-jenner-transition/ar-BBkT3w3?ocid=DELLDHP). It gives me hope for the future. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/243 "2015-06-10T01:19:09Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I have a vagina (and now boobs), and people have always referred to me as female. I remember thinking when I got pregnant that I really couldn’t deny being female now, because being pregnant is like biological proof. FTR, I am perfectly happy being a woman, although if I were a man I don’t think it would upset me much either. But you’re only defining it by physical traits in your examples. What inside your mind, outside of the physical, distinguishes you as a woman? > [@](#): > > I don’t disbelieve, or mind, that trans people have a strong sense of gender identity that overrides their outward physiology and everything anyone has ever said to them, but I definitely don’t understand it. We don’t understand it at some levels, or many, but we have to accept it. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/244 "2015-06-10T02:53:52Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > But you’re only defining it by physical traits in your examples. What inside your mind, outside of the physical, distinguishes you as a woman? Nothing. Anything I point to would either fit a stereotypical “female” thing, or be despite it not fitting a stereotypical “female” thing. And those are the stereotypes I’ve been trying to avoid all this time. I feel like adding a Seinfeld disclaimer in these threads 😃 “not that there’s anything wrong with that!” “No, of course not!” My not understanding doesn’t equal judgment – there are plenty of things I don’t understand but don’t worry too much about. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/245 "2015-06-10T22:12:11Z")
**Gigi** It’s my opinion based on various observations (but not supported by a formal study) that the degree to which a person feels gendered runs (like so many things) on a bell curve. Ask the average person what they would do if they woke up with the body of the other sex, and you get a strong response. Some people, however, answer honestly ‘It would not be a big deal.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361.md?page=12)