# Introducing the former Bruce Jenner **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 1, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361 "2015-06-01T17:26:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/41 "2015-06-01T19:35:35Z")
One thing I can guaran-fucking-tee you is that I have absolutely 0 interest in knowing what his/her sex life is going to be like. Why would anyone even care, unless you’re thinking of a hook-up yourself?? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/42 "2015-06-01T19:40:33Z")
Simple curiosity over the various dichotomies that come to mind. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/43 "2015-06-01T19:40:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > In the interest of truth. Here’s a recent photo. > [http://www.celebrityxo.com/celebrities-xo/its-official-bruce-jenner-undergoes-sex-reassignment-surgery-now-legally-a-woman/](http://www.celebrityxo.com/celebrities-xo/its-official-bruce-jenner-undergoes-sex-reassignment-surgery-now-legally-a-woman/) > > Here he is a few weeks ago in the ABC interview. Much better lighting and professional makeup. But a far cry from that Photoshopped Vanity Fair cover photo. > [https://i-d-images.vice.com/images/2015/05/31/untitled-article-1433062325-body-image-1433062604.jpg](https://i-d-images.vice.com/images/2015/05/31/untitled-article-1433062325-body-image-1433062604.jpg) The first link is a photo from April, and he’s dressed casually in “frumpy male weekend wear” making a horrible face. The second image is from the interview about a month ago and he is not trying to look like a woman. To me the photos in the magazine look like the person formerly known as Bruce Jenner with lots of makeup, well-fitting, flattering sexy clothes, hair done in a more feminine way and proper support for her breasts. The man in both of your photos presented as “evidence” could be that woman. You know how many 65-year-old women look like shit without makeup, well-done hair and flattering clothes? Most of them. Here’s a video of the photo shoot. Is this whole thing “Photoshopped” beyond belief? [Watch Caitlyn Jenner Is Finally “Free” on Vanity Fair’s Cover | Cover Shoots | Vanity Fair](http://video.vanityfair.com/watch/vanity-fair-cover-caitlyn-jenner-is-finally-free) I know you’re an expert on judging womens’ bodies but why are you so intent on making sure that no one is “duped” by the idea that Caitlyn Jenner could be a good-looking 65 year old woman? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/44 "2015-06-01T19:46:01Z")
Did the old Bruce have the slightly slurred speech pattern or is that something that resulted from facial surgery or is it something else…? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/45 "2015-06-01T19:50:10Z")
Well, the transition isn’t complete until little willy goes to that sausage grinder in the sky. 😉 I agree with more experience Jenner can pull off a convincing female look. His daughters and ex-wife are experts in makeup and fashion. He’ll have access to their advice and help. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/46 "2015-06-01T20:02:45Z")
Everyone knows that ALL Vanity Fair photos are photoshopped, right? Every last one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/47 "2015-06-01T20:03:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Well, the transition isn’t complete until little willy goes to that sausage grinder in the sky. 😉 > > I agree with more experience Jenner can pull off a convincing female look. His daughters and ex-wife are experts in makeup and fashion. He’ll have access to their advice and help. Because we aren’t in the Pit, I’ll put it this way: this is a very nasty post. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/48 "2015-06-01T20:10:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did the old Bruce have the slightly slurred speech pattern or is that something that resulted from facial surgery or is it something else…? I wondered the same thing myself. Something about his S’s and Sh’s has become noticeably strange. Could it be the effects of hormone therapy on his vocal cords? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/49 "2015-06-01T20:15:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Well, the transition isn’t complete until little willy goes to that sausage grinder in the sky. 😉 It is my opinion that the idea expressed in this line of this post is absolutely reprehensible and disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/50 "2015-06-01T20:15:48Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Well, the transition isn’t complete until little willy goes to that sausage grinder in the sky. 😉 Has that part happened, or is it going to happen? I can’t tell from the news articles. > [@](#): > > I agree with more experience Jenner can pull off a convincing female look. His daughters and ex-wife are experts in makeup and fashion. He’ll have access to their advice and help. Probably with the same amount of success of any other 65 year old who wants to look like the fashion pictures. At least IRL. You can do a lot with CGI, but eventually the subject has to go out in sunlight. And cosmetic surgery only works to a degree. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/51 "2015-06-01T20:17:31Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > It is my opinion that the idea expressed in this line of this post is absolutely reprehensible and disgusting. Perhaps a Viking funeral would be in better taste? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/52 "2015-06-01T20:18:17Z")
\ Reality is hard. Bruce has to lose an old friend to become Caitlyn. He’ll probably complete the surgery in another year or so. He/she is in a transition phase right now. Really, the transformation is going along quite quickly. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/53 "2015-06-01T20:23:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > \ Reality is hard. Bruce has to lose an old friend to become Caitlyn. He’ll probably complete the surgery in another year or so. He/she is in a transition phase right now. Really, the transformation is going along quite quickly. No, you do not need to lose “an old friend” to be a male-to-female transperson. And if one decides that they do, it is not really for you to joke about or even ask about. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/54 "2015-06-01T20:25:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did the old Bruce have the slightly slurred speech pattern or is that something that resulted from facial surgery or is it something else…? The slurring is recent. He sounds like people sometimes do after getting false teeth. My guess is that it’s the result either of recent dental work or perhaps jaw reduction surgery that caused a misalignment of the teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/55 "2015-06-01T20:45:46Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > \ Reality is hard. Bruce has to lose an old friend to become Caitlyn. He’ll probably complete the surgery in another year or so. He/she is in a transition phase right now. Really, the transformation is going along quite quickly. You remind me of the boy in the third grade who used to point and laugh at the other boy who had a cleft palate. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/56 "2015-06-01T20:51:01Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > And if one decides that they do, it is not really for you to joke about or even ask about. Right - no doubt Ms. Jenner is just as demure and reticient about personal matters as people who out themselves on magazine covers generally are. If someone wants to make jokes, the subdued propriety of the whole Kardashian clan rebukes one. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/57 "2015-06-01T20:53:24Z")
> [@Fiveroptic](#): > > You remind me of the boy in the third grade who used to point and laugh at the other boy who had a cleft palate. And when Jenner spends thousands of dollars to acquire a cleft palate, and goes on reality TV to publicize it, you will have a point. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/58 "2015-06-01T21:12:53Z")
I’m just glad that Fox news is approaching this story with the class and intelligence for which they are justly famed. [http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/01/3664799/fox-news-repeatedly-mocks-misgenders-caitlyn-jenner/](http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/01/3664799/fox-news-repeatedly-mocks-misgenders-caitlyn-jenner/) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/59 "2015-06-01T21:31:46Z")
> [@MoonMoon](#): > > :rolleyes: Welcome to womanhood, Caitlyn, as you will see, the most important thing about a woman is whether random dudes find her attractive and worthy of boning. I think when somebody chooses to pose in a swimsuit for the cover of Vanity Fair, it’s an appropriate moment to discuss her attractiveness. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361/60 "2015-06-01T21:36:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Has that part happened, or is it going to happen? I can’t tell from the news articles. > Probably with the same amount of success of any other 65 year old who wants to look like the fashion pictures. At least IRL. > > You can do a lot with CGI, but eventually the subject has to go out in sunlight. And cosmetic surgery only works to a degree. > > Regards, > Shodan The news reported an exchange between Bruce and Kim in a recent KUWTK episode recap. I don’t watch the show. But events in the episodes are often mentioned in entertainment articles. [Even More facial surgery is planned.](http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bruce-jenner-preps-facial-feminization-surgery-keeping-kardashians/story?id=31441783) > **['About Bruce' Part 2 – Will Bruce Jenner Remove 'The Little Thing Down There?'...](https://starmagazine.com/2015/05/19/about-bruce-part-2-will-bruce-jenner-remove-the-little-thing-down-there/)** > > Kim Kardashian has a handful of questions for Bruce Jenner that include his future surgeries in this week's 'KUWTK' episode. > [@](#): > > During a sit down with the former Olympian and his daughters, the technical questions begin. Kourtney asked if Bruce has decided on a particular day to begin dressing like a woman daily, and he tells her he’s going to play it by ear – that the emergence of ‘her’ is not set in stone. > > Kim inquired whether there is an appointment made yet to have Bruce’s penis removed or, as Bruce referred to it, ‘the little thing down there.’ As of now, he has not [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/introducing-the-former-bruce-jenner/721361.md?page=4)