# Investment general discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169 "2025-03-05T18:24:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/701 "2025-05-29T16:59:00Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > But now we see that the Trade Court has ruled unanimously that Trump doesn’t have the power to impose these tariffs (something I’ve long believed was pretty clear in the Constitution), and I’m optimistic that higher courts will uphold this. Technically, they ruled that he can’t do it minus some reasonable amount of urgency. He’s been allowed to continue some particular set. > ([The Hill](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5323730-court-rules-against-trump-tariffs/)): Still, the ruling leaves room for the Trump administration to replace some of those tariffs with new ones under different U.S. laws. It would also leave tariffs in place on some imports, including cars and aluminum. I haven’t read the decision but, given the above, I’d take it that they didn’t rule on the basis of Constitutionality. The law said that he could only act in emergencies, and (I’m guessing) they ruled that _most_ of what he did has no applicable emergency. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/702 "2025-05-29T17:01:26Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Most of the jobs we’ve both had worked like this: > > Prestigious U post doc / professor gets NIH (or other entity) grant and discovers something with potential to be a valuable treatment or drug. > > […] > > The number of companies that form this way, the number of treatments brought to market this way, and the economic activity created this way is staggering. I’ve noticed this on browsing through random stock market listings. I’m a bit skeptical that so many of these should be publicly listed. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/703 "2025-05-29T17:14:55Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’ve noticed this on browsing through random stock market listings. I’m a bit skeptical that so many of these should be publicly listed. It’s how they raise money. It takes vast sums to bring any of these products to market, or even to try. I worked at one that was still in the VC stage as a consultant, and it was basically five people and an investment of about $10 million to get just enough done to evaluate viability, develop a plan through R&D, pre-clinical, and then clinical trials, etc. The whole goal is to get to IPO so that the VC gets some money out (though mostly they will stay in as a shareholder) and the company gets some of the hundreds of millions they will need to build the company and start the real work. The alternative would be private funding, but I don’t know how you’d raise hundreds of millions from a couple of private backers, given the high failure rate. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/704 "2025-05-29T17:34:55Z")
The general principle of the stock market is that it’s meant to be a space for average, dumb citizens to be able to put retirement money into “investment grade” instruments. But, likewise, people can become an “accredited investor” and gain access to instruments that expect you to understand things and be able to wisely deal with risky instruments, without becoming a burden to the state. If the size of the world of institutional and accredited investors isn’t large enough, you could always set up some fund on top of higher risk instruments to average out the success rate (e.g. folowing companies that were in the penny stock pharma basket for 10 years after they found success and become investment grade) or the government could step in to provide support. Personally, I’d put my money down on the idea that where there’s a potential for profit, money will find the path. You don’t need to blur this particular line to ensure a continued flow. Some fund manager will do it and his fund will need to be “investment grade”. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/705 "2025-06-04T18:03:56Z")
In the space of two months, the S&P 500 is back up to within a few percentage points of its all-time high. It’s like investors have just gotten used to the idea of unpredictable US tariffs at unprecedented levels. I’ll never understand the stock market. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/706 "2025-06-04T18:27:14Z")
Well few are thrilled with too many _other_ places to put their money. Bonds? Safe haven US bonds are increasingly considered less of a safe haven. Corporate ones may be as risky as equity is. Cash will lose ground to inflation. Foreign equity has gone up some but trade wars don’t do them good either. Gold is already trading high. Without great cases for change I suspect most figure they will sit pat and wait whatever happens out. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/707 "2025-06-04T18:30:28Z")
On Bloomberg yesterday they were saying that there’s still trillions in money markets, held by the upper 1/3 and those folks are buying the dips. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/708 "2025-06-04T18:32:51Z")
Most of my retirement accounts are in a target date fund and I have not changed anything since Trump returned. It’s more or less stable. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/709 "2025-06-04T19:28:45Z")
> [@Chad\_Sudan](#): > > In the space of two months, the S&P 500 is back up to within a few percentage points of its all-time high. Which is still significantly below where it would have been had Harris won and we just had steady-as-we-go conventional “Bidenomics” since last Nov. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/710 "2025-06-05T19:25:12Z")
Going back a few weeks: > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Tesla, though? Nothing but bad news and they go up several hundred billion dollars. It’s insanity. It’s perfectly fucking rational to be frustrated with that insanity when the guy completely associated with that brand is a literal nazi, is currently destroying the US government, and beyond all reason is winning anyway. So what was the time horizon on your Tesla bets, the ones you were feeling disheartened about? Because Trump got tired of Musk’s mouth and decided to drop a nuclear tweet, and as of right now Tesla is down 17% on the day. So things could work out for you after all, perhaps? Edit to add: slight bounce in the last few minutes, loss is only around 15% now. No doubt people jumping in to buy at a discount. But still. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/711 "2025-06-05T19:29:34Z")
About time it was too, and I hope it has some way still to fall! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/712 "2025-06-05T20:00:53Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Because Trump got tired of Musk’s mouth and decided to drop a nuclear tweet, Care to quote the xit? I don’t have access to that garbage directly. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/713 "2025-06-05T20:03:05Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Edit to add: slight bounce in the last few minutes, loss is only around 15% now. No doubt people jumping in to buy at a discount. But still. No, that is not how TACO works. The fools! 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/714 "2025-06-05T20:04:59Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Care to quote the xit? This one, perhaps? As quoted in the [Daily Beast](https://www.thedailybeast.com/musk-accuses-trump-of-being-in-the-epstein-files/): > “Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files,” Musk posted. “That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/715 "2025-06-05T20:10:21Z")
I don’t think so. If I understood @Cervaise correctly, it was trump who dropped “a nuclear tweet” and damaged Tesla’s share price. The xit you cite is certainly a nuclear xit lobbed _at_ trump, not _from_ trump. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/716 "2025-06-05T20:12:54Z")
I’m using tweet as shorthand for social media post. It was on Truth Social, not Xitter proper. Screen shots are here. > **[George Pearkes (@peark.es)](https://bsky.app/profile/peark.es/post/3lquxqbisu226)** > > oh hell yeah this is getting real good ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/717 "2025-06-05T20:15:06Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The xit you cite is certainly a nuclear xit lobbed _at_ trump, not _from_ trump. Ah, misread the post. Apologies. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/718 "2025-06-05T20:28:54Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Screen shots are here. Thank you. Yeah, I suppose that now that twitter & tweets don’t exist, “tweet” does become the most recognized generic term for “social media post”. Sort like if the Xerox Corporation disappeared, “xerox” would still be be a great word for “photocopy”. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/719 "2025-06-05T20:38:41Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Sort like if the Xerox Corporation disappeared, “xerox” would still be be a great word for “photocopy”. This is made for you: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/PZbqAMEwtOE/maxresdefault.jpg "Verbatim: What Is a Photocopier? | Op-Docs") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE) Seven minutes of your time well spent. Trust me. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169/720 "2025-06-05T21:13:49Z")
I have 160 short shares of Tesla, a $250 put for June 20, and I think 170 for December. I’ve lost huge on Tesla at this point so it would be amazing just to break even but I think that’s unlikely. Still, recovering some losses would be nice and doing it on the back of a MAGA civil war would be great. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/investment-general-discussion-thread/1015169.md?page=37)