# Invitation to all child-beaters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345 "2008-10-10T17:01:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/221 "2008-10-12T23:58:04Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Stop tongueing Bryan’s prostrate Well, you’ve made him very tired. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/222 "2008-10-13T00:06:30Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Well, you’ve made him very tired. There’s nothing like an intentional spelling mistake to lull a pedant out from under the rocks. Congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/223 "2008-10-13T00:08:26Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Talk about poor reading comprehension; you don’t even read your own posts properly. I do like that, much like pseudo, you’re demonstrating a frightful lack of grey matter while spewing stupid insults. Here, let me clue you in to something, again. Call it a free hint. Follow along, I’ll go slow and break it up into bite-sized pieces: Who are the people who’re posting in this thread? Dopers. Who did you insult? Some of those posters, who are all Dopers. Did you, thus, insult Dopers? Yes. Does that include the word “all”? No, you’re a moron. Glad I could clear that up for you. > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Whatever ‘insulting exaggerating’ is. That’d be a cut and paste typo for “insulting exaggeration”. You sure showed me. > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > There’s nothing like an intentional spelling mistake to lull a pedant out from under the rocks. Congratulations. So, unh… you deliberately made a spelling error so that you could have someone correct you at it, and then insult them? You know that’s an admission of trolling, right? Of course, you’re just a punk who can’t admit you made a mistake, right? And you are so puerile that you’re using trolling as a defense against admitting a simple typo? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/224 "2008-10-13T00:16:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I do like that, much like pseudo, you’re demonstrating a frightful lack of grey matter while spewing stupid insults. > > Here, let me clue you in to something, again. Call it a free hint. Follow along, I’ll go slow and break it up into bite-sized pieces: > Who are the people who’re posting in this thread? Dopers. > Who did you insult? Some of those posters, who are all Dopers. > Did you, thus, insult Dopers? Yes. > Does that include the word “all”? No, you’re a moron. > > Glad I could clear that up for you. > > That’d be a cut and paste typo for “insulting exaggeration”. > You sure showed me. > > So, unh… you deliberately made a spelling error so that you could have someone correct you at it, and then insult them? > You know that’s an admission of trolling, right? > > Of course, you’re just a punk who can’t admit you made a mistake, right? And you are so puerile that you’re using trolling as a defense against admitting a simple typo? If that’s your definition of trolling, you’re an even bigger fool than I thought. I’ll call it a day before you dumb me down to your level. 'Bye. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/225 "2008-10-13T00:47:53Z")
And much like pseudo, you sail right by everything which shows that you’re blustering and sputtering in a fit of militant ignorance, offering nary a retraction nor an apology, but responding with another bit of ignorance to a cherrypicked phrase out of the whole argument against you. And yeah, posting something with the deliberate intention of getting a rise out of someone and then insulting them is kinda the textbook definition of trolling. And you admitted to it. Idiot. It’s interesting that you seem to have the same basic trouble with the English language as pseudoprof. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/226 "2008-10-13T00:59:43Z")
> [@Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](#): > > Are **ivan** and **prr** having some contest to see who can post the most over-reactionary, hyperbole-bloated pissing contest drivel? What?! That trophy is mine, you commie FUCK! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/227 "2008-10-13T01:27:22Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > There’s nothing like an intentional spelling mistake to lull a pedant out from under the rocks. Congratulations. Faugh! Well played, sir. I find myself once again ensnared in your concertina-wire wit. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/228 "2008-10-13T03:57:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If me seeking to amuse myself at your expense counts as “obsessiveness”, so be it. Don’t take it personally, though. Any self-rightoueous twit would do in your place. Liberal did. Aeschines did. Diogenes does. Der Trihs does. Around here, targets of ridicule are easy to find. I’ll get to Bricker and Q.E.D. sooner or later. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > For my own amusement. I’ve never pretended otherwise. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > And yeah, posting something with the deliberate intention of getting a rise out of someone and then insulting them is kinda the textbook definition of trolling. And you admitted to it. Idiot. Huh. So **Bryan Ekers** is apparently a troll by **FinnAgain** ’s definition. So **Bryan Ekers** can’t be troll-hunting unless he’s hunting himself which would be way too confusing. So who are the trolls and who are the troll-hunters trying to save us from the trolls and who are the ordinary a\*\*holes? I can’t keep track anymore. And who are the twits? From the list, it looks like people who post unpopular beliefs and at one time or another lost favor with some people here. So it’s kinda like people who are easy targets because they don’t have lots of people to back them up? Don’t even get me started on who it is that’s posting hyperbole. Who can even tell? ---
**Author:** ![DellieM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@DellieM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DellieM)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/229 "2008-10-13T04:11:46Z")
Mmmmmmm … battered children. Sounds yummy but doesn’t make it right. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/230 "2008-10-13T05:33:31Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Huh. So **Bryan Ekers** is apparently a troll by **FinnAgain** ’s definition. No. There’s a distinct difference between posting to insult someone, finding enjoyment in mocking idiots, and posting deliberately to _get a rise out of someone in order to insult them/get them annoyed/frustrate them/etc…_ In this forum folks are allowed to post deliberately to insult someone. Folks are allowed to post specifically because they enjoy insulting people, too. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/231 "2008-10-13T14:48:22Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Huh. So **Bryan Ekers** is apparently a troll by **FinnAgain** ’s definition. Oh, I wouldn’t think so. I like to needle specific individuals (incidentally, I forgot to include lissener in the above list) while I thought trolling involved making inflammatory statements to a general audience in hopes of getting several or many angry responses. As I recall, the mods at times have warned some posters of “stalking” (or similar behaviour) but to qualify for that, I’d have to be shown to be following an individual from thread to thread for no other reason than to continue to abuse them. prr and ivan don’t require that degree of focus. If they’re in a thread, odds are they’ll say something stupid sooner or later. If I happen to visit that same thread, I might or might not see an opportunity to make a joke at their expense. Both, I’ve noted, have accused me (or others) of obsession just for responding to them three or more times in a row: i or p: [something bold and stupid] observer: [joke] i or p: [lame semi-literate insult of o] o: [counter-insult] i or p: “Your opposition proves I’m right!” o: “No, it proves you’re an idiot.” i or p: “Why are you so obsessed with me? Were you bottle-fed?” Rinse, repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/232 "2008-10-13T17:20:24Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > I dunno. > > Lets explore this for a while, with some links to pics. 😛 I wish I had…but the memories will last forever! ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/233 "2008-10-13T19:13:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > No. > There’s a distinct difference between posting to insult someone, finding enjoyment in mocking idiots, and posting deliberately to _get a rise out of someone in order to insult them/get them annoyed/frustrate them/etc…_ Wow, you’re slicing that distinction rather finely. I can’t actually see the differences between categories except for the word ‘idiots’. Since different people categorize ‘idiots’ differently, that’s not even much of a distinguishing factor. Care to elaborate? > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Oh, I wouldn’t think so. I like to needle specific individuals (incidentally, I forgot to include lissener in the above list) while I thought trolling involved making inflammatory statements to a general audience in hopes of getting several or many angry responses. Hmm. I wasn’t creating the definition of a troll. I was just noting that you fit under **FinnAgain** ’s definition. Under _his_ definition, there only has to be someone that one tries to get a rise out of. Something I noticed about your list of specific individuals that you like to needle. It’s generally a list of people who have been Pitted at least once and for most, several times. What they all have in common is that they lack the backing of the majority of people here, or at least there’s the perception of that. For bonus points, I’m bringing that back to the topic at hand. . . spanking. What bugs me is when people use power or perceived power to dominate anyone, even if just in a small way. That’s why I don’t mind if people wanted to swat their kids in front of other people who have more power than they do. Or if people want to needle people who are quite popular here. It’s just when there’s a possibility (even minutely) that there can be abuse of power that it bugs me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/234 "2008-10-13T20:37:37Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Hmm. I wasn’t creating the definition of a troll. I was just noting that you fit under **FinnAgain** ’s definition. Under _his_ definition, there only has to be someone that one tries to get a rise out of. True enough, I guess. I can only say that Finn’s definition of troll doesn’t match my own or, as far as I can tell, the definition in use by the moderators of this board. The “someone” I’m after in a joke/insult post is a specific someone. The “someone” a troll is after in an inflammatory post is a generic someone. Anyone who disagrees is free to use the report button, of course. If enough of them do, perhaps they can effect a change in board policies and I would be told to change or leave. > [@](#): > > Something I noticed about your list of specific individuals that you like to needle. It’s generally a list of people who have been Pitted at least once and for most, several times. What they all have in common is that they lack the backing of the majority of people here, or at least there’s the perception of that. You’d have a more compelling point if my list (and to be clear, it is a list of people I have needled, not people I seek to needle) consisted of people who never got pitted and who were consistently popular with “the backing of the majority of people here”, whatever that means. That would suggest I was envious of the popular kids. Instead I find these people can be jerks and numerous others have _also_ found they can be jerks, so if anything, I’m vindicated. Yay. > [@](#): > > It’s just when there’s a possibility (even minutely) that there can be abuse of power that it bugs me. What “power” is allegedly being abused, here? Or is that a generic phrase that includes mods and admins? ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/235 "2008-10-13T20:56:07Z")
> [@DellieM](#): > > Mmmmmmm … battered children. Sounds yummy but doesn’t make it right. 😉 Sometimes you just lose your tempura, you know? Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/236 "2008-10-13T21:15:51Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Wow, you’re slicing that distinction rather finely. I can’t actually see the differences between categories except for the word ‘idiots’. Since different people categorize ‘idiots’ differently, that’s not even much of a distinguishing factor. > > Care to elaborate? There’s a vast difference and the distinction is actually quite a bit less complicated than you’re making it. Pointing out something that you view to be wrong/stupid/annoying, in a forum designed for insulting other people, is not against the rules. _The motivation is internal and some folks simply get a kick from rhetorical bar brawls and/or fighting ignorance._ Trolls don’t wait to find something that they view to be wrong/stupid/annoying, they create bait to cause conflict, annoy people and and start fights while acting/feigning/pretending to be innocently put upon. The motivation is to _get a rise out of people and piss them off._ ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/237 "2008-10-13T21:29:48Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > Sometimes you just lose your tempura, you know? > > Enjoy, > Steven It’s only “not right” if you don’t use panko or leave them too long in the fryer. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/238 "2008-10-13T21:34:23Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > It’s only “not right” if you don’t use panko or leave them too long in the fryer. Over-fried would be bad, on the other hand, shaken is better than stirred. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/239 "2008-10-13T22:56:15Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > Over-fried would be bad, on the other hand, shaken is better than stirred. > > Enjoy, > Steven You guys never heard of Shake N Bake? It comes out right every time. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345/240 "2008-10-13T22:58:19Z")
So, are we still beating up on people who beat up on their kids, or have we beaten that topic to death? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/invitation-to-all-child-beaters/467345.md?page=13)