# Iran is roiled by anti-government protests **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 2, 2026, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267 "2026-01-02T04:54:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/61 "2026-01-12T19:00:37Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > I wonder if this was a politically motivated attack, or just an asshole > > It’s foxnews, but there was a > > > [@](#): > > > > banner on the side of the truck that read, in all capital letters, “NO SHAH. NO REGIME. USA: DON’T REPEAT 1953. NO MULLAH.” > > And usatoday reports that on the other side of the truck there was a banner in “arabic” .(My guess is that the language was Farsi.) Well, that if true would make the motives very clear. > [@chappachula](#): > > What I find interesting is that none of the reports on mainstream, respected news sites mentioned the banners at all. Imagine if the banners were from some rightwing extemist nutjob. To be charitable, they probably want to avoid inciting anger against minority groups until the evidence is fully gathered. Whether that interest is worth not reporting what appears to be factual information is up for debate but probably out of scope for this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/62 "2026-01-12T19:42:37Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I mean most of the letters are the same or similar (Farsi has a few extra ones) Indeed. My wife doesn’t speak a word of Arabic (beyond the Islamic interjections that have been imported into Farsi, like “inshallah”), but she can “read” Arabic writing out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lantern2/32/3010_2.png) [@Lantern2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern2)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/63 "2026-01-12T19:51:50Z")
The last couple of days seem to have shifted the momentum with the escalating crackdown, internet blackout and large pro-government rallies. Trump is a real wildcard. There are no good options for him ; if he does nothing and the regime survives he looks weak. If he bombs, he could get sucked into an prolonged and messy war. The best outcome would be a quick collapse of the regime but that isn’t likely. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/64 "2026-01-12T19:58:09Z")
I’m 62 and grew up in West Los Angeles. All of a sudden when I was in Jr High School I had a ton of Persian classmates for obvious reasons. The Jewish Persians came to West LA and the Muslim ones to Orange County generally. I learned a lot about the culture at that time. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/65 "2026-01-12T20:04:43Z")
Same story for me (though to a lesser degree, to be sure), but in Suburban Detroit. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/66 "2026-01-12T20:09:53Z")
nvm. hijack ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/67 "2026-01-13T00:12:32Z")
I guess this news today has to do with the protests: . [Trump announces 25% tariff on any country doing business with Iran](https://abcnews.go.com/International/iranian-leader-trump-trade-threats-activists-protest-deaths/story?id=129123522) > [@](#): > > “Effective immediately, any Country doing business with the Islamic Republic of Iran will pay a Tariff of 25% on any and all business being done with the United States of America,” Trump said in a social media post on Monday. “This Order is final and conclusive.” Some media outlets have headlines saying this is a threat. Taken literally, it is not a threat, but current policy . The temptation to call it a threat may come from it being almost impossible to interpret. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/68 "2026-01-13T00:21:30Z")
Where are these banners in the photos? Were they torn off by the crowds before the pictures were taken, or something? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/69 "2026-01-13T00:30:29Z")
Tariffs! That Trump, he’s a real idea machine! ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/70 "2026-01-13T00:48:14Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He sounds like he’d be a lot better than the Ayatollahs even if he isn’t particularly competent. I mean, it would probably be bad. Better than the Ayatollahs? Sure, I guess. In the sense that leprosy is better than pancreatic cancer. The Pahlavis were staggeringly corrupt kleptocrats (with the enthusiastic cooperation of their favored client families) and viciously repressive. I suspect the best we could hope for is more of the former and hopefully less of the latter. Sadly the former often goes hand-in-hand with or quickly leads to the latter. All the more so if it becomes a factionalized free-for-all. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/71 "2026-01-13T01:02:49Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > The Pahlavis were staggeringly corrupt kleptocrats (with the enthusiastic cooperation of their favored client families) and viciously repressive. [In press interviews, [Reza] Pahlavi has repeatedly raised the idea of a constitutional monarchy, perhaps with an elected rather than a hereditary ruler, but has also stated it is up to Iranians to choose.](https://www.npr.org/2026/01/10/nx-s1-5673238/reza-pahlavi-iran-protests) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/72 "2026-01-13T01:14:17Z")
People say all sorts of things. I distrust many of them 🙂. The Pahlavi regime that was overthrown in 1979 was in fact a constitutional monarchy, with a long history of elected [prime ministers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Iran). It was a staggeringly corrupt and viciously repressive regime in its final decades despite that. No country in the region has a longer experience with at least the trappings of democracy than Iran. Unfortunately it was increasingly a case of the tail wagging the dog after Mossadegh was overthrown. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/73 "2026-01-13T01:31:31Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > People say all sorts of things. I distrust many of them 🙂. Every king has bad ancestors. But my impression is that a majority of kings nowadays are OK. I’m not saying Iran has a rosy future, but I don’t see evidence this guy wants to become an evil dictator. P.S. I don’t have a problem with No Kings protests in the U.S. In that context, No Kings really means no dictators. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/74 "2026-01-13T04:12:14Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But my impression is that a majority of kings nowadays are OK. Isn’t that impression somewhat skewed by all the nominal monarchies whose royals have very little say in how they’re actually run, though? Genuinely autocratic monarchies seem to do quite a bit of executing dissidents. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/75 "2026-01-13T08:12:41Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I don’t see evidence this guy wants to become an evil dictator. I’ll disregard the melodramatic phrasing here, and instead relate my wife’s perspective as an Iranian. First, the guy is a Pahlavi. He grew up coddled and privileged and has stayed that way his whole life. He’s been happy to spend the money his father stole from Iran and moved into foreign accounts, living lavishly while returning next to nothing to social causes or pro-democratic political activism. He has _spoken_ extensively on such matters, but if he actually contributes monetarily to any cause, nobody’s aware of it. He’s claimed financial hardship a couple of times, in response to lawsuits against him, but he still travels frequently and lives quite well despite not holding down a job that anyone can identify. Second, he’s regarded as a Western puppet. His grandfather and father were both installed and supported by American authorities, and he’s been living in exile in the United States. There are also persistent rumors that Pahlavi has gotten indirect financial support from Israel, because they think boosting the former monarchy contributes to destabilization of the Islamic regime. Pahlavi denies this, but the rumors persist. (My wife absolutely believes this to be true. Personally, I think the evidence is less than compelling, just circumstantial innuendo, but it is possible.) More broadly, skeptical Iranians like my wife look at the broader sweep of US-Iranian history, and Americans’ repeated and reliable habit of undermining Iranian self-rule in favor of boosting compliant autocrats. From this point of view, Pahlavi’s individual motivations are largely irrelevant; if he’s coming in with American backing, then the entire framework he represents cannot be trusted. Whatever he might be saying, regardless of what he might legitmately believe, his options for action will be restricted to whatever his sponsors find acceptable, or he’ll be cut loose, which is not a recipe for long-term stability. Third, he’s never really articulated any sort of detailed plan for change and political transition. His pronouncements are consistently vague, expressions of philosophy and principle, without a roadmap for how anything will be actually achieved in practice. He has repeatedly refused to directly advocate for the restoration of the “Peacock Throne” (a synecdoche for the Iranian monarchy) — but he has _also_ repeatedly said that if the Iranian people decide they want it back and want him in the role, he’d be happy to serve. He’s consistently offered himself as a _unifying symbol_ without any ambitions for real power, but he also hasn’t provided a blueprint for what that might look like. Skeptics like my wife interpret this to mean that either he _does_ have an agenda but he’s keeping it a secret, or he _legitimately doesn’t_ have a concrete political structure in mind because he doesn’t know what he’s doing and he’ll just get pushed around by people who _do_ have real plans. Either way, from this perspective, he’s basically offering himself as a leader without demonstrating any capability to actually, y’know, _lead._ The one political principle he _has_ specifically articulated with consistency is that any future Iranian political system — whether a republic, a constitutional monarchy, or something else — must be largely or entirely secular. He calls himself a religious man, personally, but he’s gone out of his way to not adhere too closely to any one tradition (he says he himself is a Shi’a Muslim, but he’s also attended Zoroastrian ceremonies). He regards the insertion of religious authority into public governance as poisonous, and that Iran’s recovery requires the clergy’s political teeth to be pulled. This is obviously true, and would be a good thing. But, again, he doesn’t provide a specific vision for what function religious belief _should_ serve in his hypothetical future Iran, or how the transition would work. And moreover, skeptics say that _of course_ a secret monarchist would want to eliminate a competing power base. Essentially, he’s consciously presenting himself as an empty suit, a purely superficial symbol of unification and national identity. What that actually means, though, comes down to interpretation. According to Pahlavi’s supporters, he’s saying, “Yes, I know I’m an empty suit, but an empty suit might be _useful,_ and that’s what matters.” But people like my wife respond, “Why would we _want_ an empty suit, when we could have an actual leader?” The dilemma, which my wife acknowledges, is that no actual leaders seem to be available, so Pahlavi might rise to the top simply by default, a bad choice weighed against worse options. Setting that aside, and returning to events on the ground: My wife and I watched some Farsi-language media last night, and she translated what was happening and provided some commentary of her own. She pointed out something that isn’t being remarked on much in the Western coverage — the protests are _widespread throughout Iran._ During past periods of unrest, the marchers would primarily fill the streets of Tehran, while the rest of the country remained relatively quiet, with only brief disruptions. In 1999, for example, students in Tehran responded to a dormitory raid with many days of marching, followed by a brutal crackdown. If you were in Tabriz, though, you would have seen only one day of protest before the marchers were removed, and then the status quo was restored. And if you were out in the hinterlands, none of this would have been on your radar. This time, though, the protests are happening everywhere, with more or less equal fervor. We were watching a Farsi news broadcast which was featuring cell-phone video clips recorded by protesters in the streets. One clip popped up, and my wife recognized it immediately. Holy shit, she said, that’s Qom. She explained to me why this is important — **[Qom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qom)** is one of the most religious, most conservative cities in the country. Its people reliably support the Islamic regime, and protests that roil the rest of Iran rarely trigger any activity there. But in the clip, there was a huge crowd of marching women, dressed very conservatively — not just in hijab, but in chador and khimar (**[more info](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/361D/production/_107835831_6715d34e-df0a-45fa-a82e-147f572fc3fa.jpg)**) — chanting “death to the dictator.” This, my wife said, is _very_ unusual, and helps illuminate why the regime is freaking out so much and cracking down so hard. The way she explained it is, the Islamic clergy has a privileged place in Iranian society, but not all of them are directly involved in governance. She guessed that no more than a quarter of Iran’s clerical population is employed by the government or is financially supported by the state; the rest are just everyday clergy, performing everyday religious roles. The fact that protests have spread to Qom potentially exposes a serious rift — the clerics who are directly involved with the state are somewhat insulated from Iran’s economic struggles, while the independent clerics are out swinging in the wind with everybody else. The motivation here is selfish but understandable; as long as life was reasonably tolerable, the wider clergy was willing to support the regime on cultural grounds, but now that they themselves are suffering, they may be peeling away. We stopped watching after that. My wife is pretty cynical about her former country, and its chances for toppling the regime; and even if that does happen, she sees bloodshed and hardship as being likely. So because she was getting angry and sad, we switched over to something else. But if she shares any other insights as events continue to unfold, I’ll come back and summarize again. Edit to add: I did a little googling, and found an excellent article about why the protests in Qom are so significant, including some historical background (e.g. the original Islamic revolution in 1979 started there, and Khomeini initiated his takeover using the city as his base). Highly recommended reading if you’re interested in the subject. > **[Why protests in holy city of Qom shake Iran's regime](https://www.theweek.in/news/middle-east/2026/01/12/why-protests-in-holy-city-of-qom-shake-iran-s-regime.html)** > > Qom protests signify a major challenge to Iran's Islamic regime, as demonstrations erupt in the nation's spiritual heartland due to economic collapse and widespread dissatisfaction ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/76 "2026-01-13T09:01:24Z")
I think everyone commenting on the idea of restoring the monarchy is missing something crucial. It’s been almost _fifty_ years since the Shah was overthrown. The world has changed incredibly during that time. The people who really ran the Iran Reza Pahlavi grew up in are long dead. Another issue is the idea of him being a puppet. Of course he isn’t. He’s just a “gentleman of leisure”. His father and grandfather, especially his father, certainly were, though. Bringing back the monarchy might satisfy certain elderly Iranians, but it’s more of a rallying cry, IMHO, to express dissent against the theocrats misruling the country now. Is it viable to have a monarch like Japan, one who has zero authority, no constitutional role other than to bear the title? That is, I suppose, a possibility. But this case, along with any other reincarnation of the monarchy would fail because the new monarch simply has nothing to offer the country or those who would use him as a puppet. Japan’s case is different because the monarch was already in place and did have power. Iran may be on the cusp of a becoming a new nation. What kind of nation that will be is very much up in the air at the moment. And it’s quite easy for the entrenched theocrats and their loyalist military to stop the country from passing that cusp. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/77 "2026-01-13T09:24:55Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The people who really ran the Iran Reza Pahlavi grew up in are long dead. The individual people, yes. But the US is still very much the US. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/78 "2026-01-13T12:30:03Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > It’s been almost _fifty_ years since the Shah was overthrown. The world has changed incredibly during that time. I’ts been almost 50 years since the last U.S. backed military coup in Argentina, the forces behind it (domestic and foreign) are very much behind our current Trumpist government. People die and get old in 50 years, political forces not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/79 "2026-01-13T13:03:29Z")
Thanks, @Cervaise, for passing along these insights! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267/80 "2026-01-13T13:18:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Is it viable to have a monarch like Japan, one who has zero authority, no constitutional role other than to bear the title? That is, I suppose, a possibility. But this case, along with any other reincarnation of the monarchy would fail because the new monarch simply has nothing to offer the country or those who would use him as a puppet What the monarch would be in this scenario is a symbol to rally around. He literally doesn’t need to be anything else other than that in order to offer something _very valuable_ to the people of Iran in their current situation. Whether that’s enough for Iranians to declare him _king_ is a whole other story, but even he isn’t really talking about being instated as monarch; he’s just an inspiring symbol so far. If the current situation leads to the regime’s fall, people might be so grateful to him that they want him to remain a symbolic monarch… Or they might want to say “thanks for the help, we are gonna be a Republic though” and wash their hands of him once the Ayatollahs are gone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-is-roiled-by-anti-government-protests/1026267.md?page=5)