# Iran. Keep pushing those buttons. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2005, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518 "2005-10-29T23:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/21 "2005-10-30T02:11:21Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Of course, I made a typo in spelling Isreal, so anything I say is invalid. :rolleyes: No, it’s comments like this: > [@duffer](#): > > I’ll keep that in mind in the future. Jews being decimated an obliterated = OK! Good to know. that make people question your sanity. I’ve already asked in this thread, and now i’ll ask again: Who, exactly, has defended the Iranian President’s comments, or said that the destruction of Israel is OK? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/22 "2005-10-30T02:13:31Z")
> [@The Flying Dutchman](#): > > I plugged “isreal” into google and got 2.2 million hits. And Israel gives 244 million hits. So about 1% of the population can’t spell Israel. Besides, the top “isreal” sites on google were about how Israel wasn’t spelled “Isreal”. (and thanks to the friendly mod code fixer!) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/23 "2005-10-30T02:13:47Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > **XT** don’t forget that we have along with Iran the usual players of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, various factions in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE, _et al_. All in a rabid frenzy trying to kill the Jewish state. But the rest of you can defend Iran. No reason to read anything into killing off as many Jews as possible. > > Can any of you cite one fucking thing more prevalent than killing Jews in the Middle East? It’s a hallmark and has been for decades. Stay in denial. Keep telling yourselves that killing Jews isn’t the primary goal of these regimes. Say hi to the pixie fairies while you’re there. For pete’s sake, **duffer** , get the fucking chip off your shoulder! You somehow think that viewing the situation in terms of realpolitik is defending Ahmadinejad. You are wrong. What did you want in this thread? A chorus of, “Yes, let’s nuke Teheran tonight!” ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/24 "2005-10-30T02:15:08Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Obviously it is a good thing I said it. There is a country calling for the destruction of not only another country, but a race of people. Yet this isn’t a big deal around here. > > I’ll keep that in mind in the future. Jews being decimated an obliterated = OK! Good to know. No one said its ok but a fundamentalist Islamic country calling for the destruction of Israel is simply just not news. It happens all the time and there just isn’t anything left to discuss about it. Iran knows that Israel has nukes, a better army and the support of the international community. There is no chance that Iran will invade. These statements are just idle threats by a leader pandering to his base. No different from Castro talking about overthrowing the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/25 "2005-10-30T02:15:52Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Who, exactly, has defended the Iranian President’s comments, or said that the destruction of Israel is OK? oh come on, talking points #3 clearly states that if liberals hear an obviously idiotic statement from a lunatic and fail to immediately call for them being invaded, that is exactly the same as supporting the statement. gosh, you’d think you’d have realized this by now. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/26 "2005-10-30T02:16:44Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > (remember the picture of Bush holding hands with the current Saudi president). I meant “Saudi King” of course. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/27 "2005-10-30T02:17:35Z")
What \*\*mhendo \*\* said. And some other comments: > [@duffer](#): > > Eh, never mind. Even without going that far it seems Bush is still worse. Well, people like you disregarded the opinion that invading Iraq was going to make the situation in the ME worse. Bush said essentially that when we took iraq and [del]prevented the WMD from reaching Osama or sent to the US[/del] make it a democratic paradise, that it was going to pacify the ME, who was correct? > [@](#): > > Where the fuck is the outrage around here about a head of state calling for the extermination of Isreal? I do think that bastard head of state needs a lesson, but I am infuriated that we are mired in Iraq right now. > [@](#): > > What the fuck validity is there in this stance from Tehran? None. ---
**Author:** ![lonesome\_loser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c68b51/32.png) [@lonesome\_loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lonesome_loser)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/28 "2005-10-30T02:42:47Z")
I take it you are not good at golf. I have a couple of questions for you. Does Israel do no wrong? We, as a country, are going broke. Should we continue giving Israel billions of dollars a year? What do you think Israel does with the money we give them? Lonesome ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/29 "2005-10-30T03:12:46Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > We already have publicly stated that you are on the short list of regimes that are under serious consideration of an attack. By what army? There is zero chance of the US invading Iran or anyone else, the US army is just about tapped out now, not to mention the defense budget and the willingness of most Americans to support any more military adventurism. Quit writing checks you can’t cash, you windbag. ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/30 "2005-10-30T06:28:57Z")
Incidentally, there is already a thread on this subject in GD: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=341588](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=341588). So **duffer** can’t claim that dopers were ignoring this issue. (Sure, the other thread was started by **Rune** , another SDMB conservative, but both liberals and conservatives are currently discussing the issue there.) As for Iran’s president’s comments, I liked **Neurotik** ’s comments in the other thread (see [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6725845#post6725845)). Let’s face it, Iran’s position for many years has been the destruction of Israel. These comments do not bring anything new to the situation. Their only function is in terms of Iranian interior politics. I’d be really surprised if Iran tried to attack Israel or any other Western country; even though some people in their government are very ideological, others are pragmatic and know they don’t stand a chance. Will Israel or the US attack Iran? And should they? Well, I didn’t study this issue, so I won’t say anything to this. > [@duffer](#): > > Iranians want to kill you. I’m teaching a class this term, and the teacher for the other section, with whom I’m preparing my course material such as assignments and tests, is Iranian. Are you saying he secretly wants to kill me? Oh, I see, you mean their government. Well, read my comments earlier: they bark a lot, but I don’t think they bite. Sure, maybe I’m naïve. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/31 "2005-10-30T07:08:10Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > I’ll keep that in mind in the future. Jews being decimated an obliterated = OK! Good to know. Are you completely fucking insane? Do you always open threads and see messages posted that don’t really exist anywhere except in your imagination? Or maybe _I_ missed all the posts by noted SDMB leftists about how it’s okay for Iran to advocate the annihilation of Israel. I’d better re-read this thread. No, I was right. They aren’t there. You’re a lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/32 "2005-10-30T07:16:58Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > I wonder what kind of uproar we’d see if Bush said outright that Muslims need to be wiped off the face of the Earth. Roughly 49%… Just time it after they murder another 50 hindus in India. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/33 "2005-10-30T07:37:20Z")
You know, **duffer** , if Iran was a country the administration was supporting financially or politically, the outrage and criticism of its policies and ambitions would inflame these pages. It’s only when the U.S. can be criticized accordingly that other countries’ wrong-doing tends to incite outrage here. Other than that…hey, it’s a foreign culture. Who are we to interfere? I’ve always been wondered why it is that liberal concern for human rights seems to evaporate at the country’s border. Treat a woman badly here, or kill her because of some religious motive, and the screeching could be heard (and rightfully so, I might add) for miles; let it happen elsewhere in the world, and…eh, so what?..who are we to interfere with another culture? ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/34 "2005-10-30T07:45:54Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > **XT** don’t forget that we have along with Iran the usual players of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, various factions in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE, _et al_. All in a rabid frenzy trying to kill the Jewish state. But the rest of you can defend Iran. No reason to read anything into killing off as many Jews as possible. > > Can any of you cite one fucking thing more prevalent than killing Jews in the Middle East? It’s a hallmark and has been for decades. Stay in denial. Keep telling yourselves that killing Jews isn’t the primary goal of these regimes. Say hi to the pixie fairies while you’re there. I don’t think I’ll earn many friends… but I tend to agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/35 "2005-10-30T07:47:01Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > By what army? There is zero chance of the US invading Iran or anyone else, the US army is just about tapped out now, not to mention the defense budget and the willingness of most Americans to support any more military adventurism. Quit writing checks you can’t cash, you windbag. The US could waltz into Iran with a few mechanized brigades and flatten Tehran if Bush gave the order. The USAF could do it much quicker while virtually exterminating any air units Iran cared to bring out of a hole. They could most likely start and finish before you hear about it on the 6 o’clock news. Don’t let the sensationalist news confuse you on the capablities of the US armed forces. The current situation in Iraq has nothing to do with those capabilities. The job we are making them do now is impossible since the subjugation of an entire country by an army has never been done without the ability to use the force they are trained to use. If anything, the war has highlighted just how awesome the military might of the US is. Experts are stunned about how masterful the invasion was. If we invade another country ever again with the intention of rebuilding it, then we are fucking idiots. It’s a new phenomenon as far as I know. Even when the North beat the South, it was to force their will on an entire population, and the way we treated our own people would make Guantanimo look like a trip to Kiddieland. The only problem the military has is that we pusses at home have lost the balls to either take what we won or at least walk away. Instead of rewarding them with a jobe very well done, we put them in an impossible situation and ridicule them every chance we get. In a way it could be a good thing. It could be signs that the world isn’t as bloodthirsty as it used to be. It could be that the world is tired of strong armies an wars. Unfortunately, anyone who has a clue about history would have to be deliberately obtuse to think that. If someone can’t realise that the capabilities of the US military and her allies hasn’t stopped myriads of untold wars and conflicts than it has ever started,then they can’t see the forest for the trees. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/36 "2005-10-30T08:21:45Z")
> [@AFAIKnow](#): > > The US could waltz into Iran with a few mechanized brigades and flatten Tehran if Bush gave the order. The USAF could do it much quicker while virtually exterminating any air units Iran cared to bring out of a hole. They could most likely start and finish before you hear about it on the 6 o’clock news. Don’t let the sensationalist news confuse you on the capablities of the US armed forces. The current situation in Iraq has nothing to do with those capabilities. The job we are making them do now is impossible since the subjugation of an entire country by an army has never been done without the ability to use the force they are trained to use. If anything, the war has highlighted just how awesome the military might of the US is. Experts are stunned about how masterful the invasion was. Iran wouldn’t be the walkover Iraq was. It’s bigger, and isn’t crippled by years of sanctions and inspections. Also, what experts are you talking about ? Given how weak Iraq was, winning was hardly that impressive. Are you impressed when a pit bull defeats a starved three legged kitten ? > [@AFAIKnow](#): > > If we invade another country ever again with the intention of rebuilding it, then we are fucking idiots. It’s a new phenomenon as far as I know. Even when the North beat the South, it was to force their will on an entire population, and the way we treated our own people would make Guantanimo look like a trip to Kiddieland. It’s one of the more common forms of warfare; conquerers _do_ usually want to extract value from what they conquer. > [@AFAIKnow](#): > > The only problem the military has is that we pusses at home have lost the balls to either take what we won or at least walk away. Instead of rewarding them with a jobe very well done, we put them in an impossible situation and ridicule them every chance we get. So what’s you’re recommendation ? More torture, napalm, cluster bombs, child rape and general slaughter ? That will make everything better; all we need to do is act even more like barbarians ? > [@AFAIKnow](#): > > If someone can’t realise that the capabilities of the US military and her allies hasn’t stopped myriads of untold wars and conflicts than it has ever started,then they can’t see the forest for the trees. That’s highly debatable. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/37 "2005-10-30T08:55:38Z")
> [@AFAIKnow](#): > > If we invade another country ever again with the intention of rebuilding it, then we are fucking idiots. No. America needs to learn from its experiences in Iraq and Vietnam and the British experience in Malaysia that it cannot successfully occupy a country without taking extreme measures. With Iraq, we should have left after bagging Saddam. With Iran openly on the road to WMD… ---
**Author:** ![rorty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b2d939/32.png) [@rorty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rorty)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/38 "2005-10-30T09:28:54Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You know, duffer, if Iran was a country the administration was supporting financially or politically, the outrage and criticism of its policies and ambitions would inflame these pages. Such outrage would be much deserved. The United States is, after all, supposed to be a beacon for democracy and human rights. I know I would (and do) have a problem with my country supporting _any_ nation with a poor human rights record. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > It’s only when the U.S. can be criticized accordingly that other countries’ wrong-doing tends to incite outrage here. Other than that…hey, it’s a foreign culture. Who are we to interfere? Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the fact that most posters here are from the United States or nations with similar rights values. Human rights violations with the support of the United States would, I think, tend to be of greater interest around this corner of the 'net. Your knee-jerk reaction to defend the United States from any criticism, real or imaginary, is unnecessary. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’ve always [sic] wondered why it is that liberal concern for human rights seems to evaporate at the country’s border. Treat a woman badly here, or kill her because of some religious motive, and the screeching could be heard (and rightfully so, I might add) for miles; let it happen elsewhere in the world, and…eh, so what?..who are we to interfere with another culture? Your blinders are on and it’s showing. I have not known the “liberal concern” for human rights to be on a country-by-country basis. In fact, liberals are generally the ones leading the charge when it comes to the advocating of human rights on the international stage. Most conservatives I know seem generally unconcerned by such matters. The fact is, it’s simply a matter of how a given nation can be expected to act. Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc violating human rights is not a surprise in any sense of the word. It’s too bad those things happen, but it’s honestly not news. Such violations occuring in the United States, Britain, Canada, etc… well, that would be a surprise. These countries aren’t known for such things – at least they aren’t supposed to be. If it happens in my back yard, it’s a bigger deal to me, and hopefully the rest of my fellow citizens. It has the potential to impact me that much more. This does not – I repeat not – make it “OK” for such violations to occur in foreign nations. It’s bad all the same, but I live in the United States, and not Iran. Ever hear of Amnesty International? I’m sure you have. I’m also sure you’d describe them as a “liberal” organization. Their criticism of human rights violations is not bound by any borders. They, and other such organizations, criticize the United States just the same as they would Iran or North Korea. I’d even be willing to concede they critize the United States more harshly than the latter nations. Why? The United States is supposed to be setting the standard, after all. By the way, human rights should not be a merely “liberal concern.” It’s a human concern. A general disinterest in reactionary statements from an ultra-conservative fundamentalist leader in Iran is not to be construed as passive support for such sentiments by the posters on this board. You and **duffer** trying to glean some sort of liberal, anti-US reaction out of hypotheticals is disingenuous. You playing politics with this concept is rather disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/39 "2005-10-30T13:10:07Z")
This leftist is outraged at the comments coming from Tehran. I like Israel as much as anyone, it is and will very likely be the only true democracy in the region. Should Israel need assistance in their next defensive war, I have no problem giving it to them. That being said, we need to weigh the Iranian statements vs the fact that at present, Iran does not have the capability to make good on their bluster. Should the Iranians start getting closer to having nukes, I have no problem with air strikes to eliminate this capability. So we can get all hot and bothered and start rattling sabers, or we can look at the situation relative to its significance. We need to recognize that callng for the destruction of Israel is a popular political tool in this part of the world and that making empty threats isn’t a call to war. If an Iranian finds himself in need of a popularity boost, Israel is a convenient whipping boy for the purpose. Similarly, when Bush finds himself in need of a boost, he mentions 9/11. Politicians say what they say because they know it works. The argument that I have the most problem with is this: > [@duffer](#): > > When they burn the flags in effigy of the countries they oppose, it sends a serious message of what they hope to accomplish. There is a serious reason some Americans see flag burning as a problem. The burner’s are equated to these people. I must indulge in my pet spelling nitpick: the apostrophe in the last sentence is incorrect, as was its incorrect use in “it’s” elsewhere. Beyond the grammar, we’re back at the curious reverence for a piece of cloth. Burning an American flag is a political statement, whether done in the US or in other nations. Rather than go into hysterics about a piece of cloth, the right wing demagogues would be better served to debate the issues that led to the flag burning. Spare me the platitudes about the wonderful things the flag represents- at present it stands for a nation that invaded another nation without provocation and that officially condones the use of torture. Burning a flag in protest of this fact is not indefensible. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/40 "2005-10-30T13:23:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Ever hear of Amnesty International? I’m sure you have. I’m also sure you’d describe them as a “liberal” organization. Their criticism of human rights violations is not bound by any borders. Actually, I do think Amnesty International went off the deep end a few years back, although I do not consider it a good thing. For quite some time there, they spent a an awful long time decrying various abuses which the US hadn’t done but could have done, or might be thinking about doing, or just plain wouldn’t want to do. And sometimes they randomly pulled new human rights from out of their arses to wave around. (IIRC, at one point they were saying it would be a humanitarian catastrophe to blow up television transmitters. I still don’t get that one.) And they did not, generally, waste any breath on Saddam’s regime. Of course, Saddam would not have cared, but bringing to light the abuses suffered and continued up till his overthrow would have meant a lot. I’ll contrast them with the ACLU. I disagree with some (not all) of the ACLU’s stances, but I give them this: they stuck to their principles about the Neo-Nazi/Free Speech case. Such is life. Even considering the occaisional scandal, however, the conduct of our soldiers was exemplary. Perhaps the AI will still be useful. > [@](#): > > No, no, no. That says “lunch”. “Sir! It’s done! Iran is bombed!” “How are things down there?” “It’s awful, sir! Turkey and Bacon all over the place, mustard flying everywhere! And Southern iran is blanketed by a mass lettuce field now.” 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518.md?page=3)