# Iran. Keep pushing those buttons. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2005, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518 "2005-10-29T23:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/101 "2005-10-31T11:51:38Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And in case anyone miss it, \*\*Rune \*\* collapsed into a Mega-Godwin with his second link. Damn but you’re stupid today. Those are not my posters. It’s not me saying Israel=Nazi or Bush=Hitler. I guess what you want to say is that the liberal idiotic fringe is collapsing into a Mega-Godwin – not that I think it would bother them much. I am not saying all liberals are fucking idiots who think Israel=Nazi or Bush=Hitler. Only that some liberals think so, wherefore it’s wrong to say no liberals think so. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/102 "2005-10-31T12:07:54Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Damn but you’re stupid today. > Those are not my posters. It’s not me saying Israel=Nazi or Bush=Hitler. I guess what you want to say is that the liberal idiotic fringe is collapsing into a Mega-Godwin – not that I think it would bother them much. > > I am not saying all liberals are fucking idiots who think Israel=Nazi or Bush=Hitler. Only that some liberals think so, wherefore it’s wrong to say no liberals think so. Thou clouted dizzy-eyed codpiece! The idiot is you, read again, I never said it was your poster. I already knew it was the work of those idiot fringe liberals. You are a piece of shit by trying to make a connection with the makers of that picture to liberals that are in favor of human rights. I don’t forget the context the conversation was then. I love that there is no editing function here, everyone can see what an ass you are here. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/103 "2005-10-31T12:13:25Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Rarely have I had a chance to see cognitive dissonance in such magnificent force and fury. > > 😃😃😃😃😃 Looked in a mirror did ya? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/104 "2005-10-31T13:12:33Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > When they burn the flags in effigy of the countries they oppose, it sends a serious message of what they hope to accomplish. There is a serious reason some Americans see flag burning as a problem. The burner’s are equated to these people. Huh? > [@](#): > > I wonder what kind of press I’d get, and how much support I’d garner here, if I went out tomorrow and burned an Iranian flag? I can only guess what would be said of me for doing so. Sadly I’d bet you’d garner a lot of support. There are a lot more “glass parking lot” people out there then I’d like to think. > [@](#): > > Yet, the Iranian government has gotten away with sanctioning it for more than 25 years. And the UN keeps them in the highest regard. Iran hates the US. Sorry, lefties, they hate you as well. It isn’t about politics to them. They hate you and want to kill you. If you haven’t figured that one out by now, there is no hope getting it through your skulls. It doesn’t fucking matter what you hold near and dear in US politics. Iranians want to kill you. No one is defending this as far as I can see, it’s just that this isn’t a big secret. We know there are _some_ nuts over there that want to kill us. Personally I’d like to try and iron things out diplomatically, and I feel there are steps **both** sides could undertake to bring a more fruitful environment in which this could be possible. Of course then I’m some nutty lefty who wants to try and “understand” these “terrorists”. > [@](#): > > Yes, I’m aware those apologists will come in and tell me I’m wrong. I simply refer you to the official statements coming out of Tehran. They want you dead. Like I said, try and find out why they want us dead and try and fix it. > [@](#): > > How anyone here can defend this regime is beyond me. Even those that insist Bush is the anti-Christ, yet defend anything Tehran says, baffles me. Please name a poster defending Iran’s comments. > [@](#): > > The fact that so many here think Bush is worse than a leader advocating and outright calling for the end of Isreal says a lot about fighting the percieved ignorance. Please provide a quote of someone suggesting this. > [@](#): > > If nothing else, at least Hitler tried to hide the fact he was trying to eliminate destroying the Jews. Sure, he made no bones about he death camps, but he also tried to hide it. He never went before the League of Nations calling for the destruction of the Jewish State. And which is worse? Actually doing it? Or just shouting a bunch of bullshit to look tough? I think Both are complete asshats for a variety of reasons. > [@](#): > > Iran should be applauded for standing up for itself. They want the Jews dead and they aren’t afraid to say so. So you’re defending their comments now? You have to respect them for being “straight up” right? > [@](#): > > And the UN is in a tizzy about what is being said. Which is a good thing. > [@](#): > > Or if they should just chalk it up to the US being the bad guy. Could be both. We’ve been asshats in how we’ve dealt with an asshat. > [@](#): > > Iran, and many others, want every Jew dead. The fact that Hitler is oft quoted as an evil person, yet a current administration is allowed to say and do the same things, says a lot about the current state of affairs. Iran still gets a say in the UN. Didn’t you just say the UN was in a complete tizzy? Hopefully something will be done. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/105 "2005-10-31T14:24:49Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > My “tactic,” as you call it, was not merely rhetorical. It was an expression of a strong belief that the forces of moderation, which were indeed making considerable headway in Iran, might have been heeded even more closely without the ridiculous posturing of the Bush administration. > > … > > Furthermore, your examples regarding South Africa and Israel actually serve to make my point. You know what one of the main aims of those protests was? To try and pressure the **US government** into taking action (trade sanctions, diplomatic pressure, etc.) that might bring about changes in the policies of the South African and Israeli governments. In the case of Iran, such protests are unnecessary because Bush has already made it very clear that he opposes Iran and will do what he can to bring about change there. If Bush’s policy was, instead, to cosy up with Iran and ignore their human rights violations in the interests of trade, then i’d be quite happy with protests. I’m somewhat confused here about your statements. 1. Bush, with his ridiculous posturing, is hindering things. 2. Bush, by opposing Iran (I assume with his ridiculous posturing) is actually doing the correct thing, because if he wasn’t there would be protests. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/106 "2005-10-31T15:39:49Z")
When did “Israel” and “Jews” become synonymous? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/107 "2005-10-31T16:34:37Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > > [@duffer](#): > > > > The fact that so many here think Bush is worse than a leader advocating and outright calling for the end of Isreal says a lot about fighting the percieved ignorance. > > Please provide a quote of someone suggesting this. While I agree with everything else contained in your post, I’m afraid I’m going to come awfully close to providing **duffer** with said quote. As you yourself note in your following response: > [@duffer](#): > > If nothing else, at least Hitler tried to hide the fact he was trying to eliminate destroying the Jews. Sure, he made no bones about he death camps, but he also tried to hide it. He never went before the League of Nations calling for the destruction of the Jewish State. > > If nothing else, at least Hitler tried to hide the fact he was trying to eliminate destroying the Jews. Sure, he made no bones about he death camps, but he also tried to hide it. He never went before the League of Nations calling for the destruction of the Jewish State. > > > [@WorldEater](#): > > > > **And which is worse? Actually doing it?** Or just shouting a bunch of bullshit to look tough? I think Both are complete asshats for a variety of reasons. (bolding mine) Point being, the Iranian asshat should be – and _has been_, rather universally, a fact that appears to escape the worthless wingnut shrills in this thread – condemmed for his repugnant use of overblown and hateful rethoric in a region already on the brink of complete chaos. Note, however, that said chaos didn’t happen in a vaccuum – again, a fact that has already been mentioned numerous times in this thread and appears to zoom right bye the Bush zealots in their righteous indignation…which, BTW, only mirrors their frothing opponent’s. Simply put, Bush’s disastrous **implementation** (IOW, actually going past the rethoric and launching his war of conquest) of the Neocon’s imperialistic policies bear a large part of the burden for the current nationalistic/fundamentalist swell in Iran. That it should come as any kind of “surprise” to people like the OP and his ilk despite the continued warnings from those of us who opposed this madcap invasion only shows how dettached from reality they really were. Which, in itself, is hardly a surprise to this side of the equation, but rather a dreadful confirmation of what we already knew. Namely that these people continue to operate under the delusion that they can “create their own reality.” The frightening problem being, that with extremists on both sides of the equation, they _probably can_! Even if said reality comes wrapped in a mushroom cloud, for it will only comfirm a self-fulfilling prophesy: hatred begets more hatred. Not seeing who the Good Guys here are. Are we past the point of no return? _:::shudder:::_ ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/108 "2005-10-31T17:07:42Z")
I see that **mhendo** has already replied in detail to **Starving Artist** ’s post, and has done a good job, but there is something I want to add. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Another interesting aspect to this is that the left here seems to vilify religion in all its forms and appears to desire a country in which, if religion exists at all, it’s kept behind closed doors where no one has to be exposed to it in public, yet when it comes to other countries, and especially the Muslim ones that the left is fearful will suffer backlash from 9/11 and/or U.S. military action, a huge amount of respect is accorded, with admonishments yet again that their culture is sacrosanct and we have no right to interfere. First, as **mhendo** said, the left in general does not vilify religion. Sure, if you look at the SDMB, you will see that several people here seem to be rather anti-organized religion in general (and not just leftists, I have noticed this streak in **Clothahump** ), but you will also notice that people who attack religion in general with no reason, or who try to make all Christians responsible for Fred Phelps, for example, are not the most respected posters here. You may find many liberals here ( **Siege** and **Polycarp** , for example) who are also very religious and who certainly don’t want religion to stay behind closed doors. However, they want it to be kept separate from the government, as **mhendo** already said. As for the possible backlash against Muslims, what us liberals would not want to happen is that people start believing that the problems that cause Muslim terrorism are only theological in nature. In essence, we don’t want people to start saying: “well, of course they’d do that, see what it says in their holy book, the Qur’an! Religion of peace indeed! :rolleyes:”. This has already started, and not only is it not useful, since this problem is not primarily a theological one (see **tomndebb** ’s excellent posts in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342133)), but also it may lead people to hatred and violence against Muslims who wouldn’t deserve it. In other words, I know that Islam is a scary and foreign religion, but we must know what it is really and realise that even though, yes, the Qur’an and the Shariah (I don’t know exactly how to transliterate those words, but I assume you know what I’m talking about) are more than a millenium old and seem very reactionary today, religions may still evolve if we give them the opportunity to evolve. As an example of this, I remember another thread where **gum** was trying to argue with **Angua** that she can’t be both gay-positive and a Muslim, since the Qur’an contains verses that condemn homosexuality. Well, the Christian Bible also contain verses that are thought to condemn homosexuality, but today most of us will agree that it is entirely possible to be both Christian and gay-positive. And frankly, I think that **Angua** knows a lot more about what it means to be a Muslim woman than **gum** ever will, given that _she is and the other isn’t_. Yes, I do know that she practices an extremely liberal sect of Shi’ism that doesn’t represent mainstream Muslim theology, but this is an illustration of my point: religions may change over time. And I understand that Dutch people like **gum** , or Danes like **Rune** , are scared of Muslim terrorism, since it’s starting to reach their shores due to immigration, but above all they should try to _avoid any knee-jerk reaction_. This is what the left thinks about possible backlash against Muslims, and this is why we oppose it. As for your comment that “we must not condemn other cultures, since they are only different from us, not better or worse”, I might add something to **mhendo** ’s post when I’ll have the time. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/109 "2005-10-31T17:27:50Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > But personally I’d never be caught dead in a demonstration with Nazi-swine who called for the murder of all Jews, and I can’t for the life of me understand why liberals tolerate these racist pigs in their midst saying the same things. I’m not for a second taking your claims at face value, because I’ve read far too many of your posts to ever make that mistake. But assuming for a minute that you’re not, for a change, completely full of shit, what do you think liberals should do when someone shows up at a rally with an anti-semetic poster? Beat the crap out of them? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/110 "2005-10-31T19:29:51Z")
Good post, **severus**. Thoughful, reasonable, persuasive. However, when I look around and see people trying (and it seems, more often successfully that not, to have Christian images banned from public view because someone might find it offensive if they aren’t a Christian, and when I see a movement taking hold which has more or less already found its way into the culture as a whole where you aren’t supposed to say “Merry Christmas,” you’re supposed to say “Happy Holidays”, I feel this is the result of liberal activism and influence. We have people now trying to have Christian images removed from public view even if on private, non-government property and to take “Christ” out of Christmas. In almost every case of liberal involvement, there are going to be liberals of a certain ilk involved and others who aren’t. But the fact of the matter is, Bushies and Limbaugh lemmings aren’t the ones who are the driving force behind this kind of thing. And, I might add, I’m not a particularly religious person, myself. I just become incensed when I see such activism against Christian religion as a whole, and against a holiday I happen to love, by people who denigrate and attempt to minimize it in the public’s mind, but who have no problem at all embracing the rights of Muslims and other religions that aren’t predominant in the U.S. to practice their faith as they see fit. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/111 "2005-10-31T19:34:48Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > However, when I look around and see people trying (and it seems, more often successfully that not, to have Christian images banned from public view because someone might find it offensive if they aren’t a Christian, and when I see a movement taking hold which has more or less already found its way into the culture as a whole where you aren’t supposed to say “Merry Christmas,” you’re supposed to say “Happy Holidays”, I feel this is the result of liberal activism and influence. Yeah, just the way that judge taking the baby away was. > [@](#): > > We have people now trying to have Christian images removed from public view even if on private, non-government property and to take “Christ” out of Christmas. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/112 "2005-10-31T19:44:06Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Cite? Would it matter? If I were to provide one, will you declare that I was right after all and convert to my way of thinking on the subject? Or will you merely argue with it and try to find some way to negate it? At which point we’ll be pretty much back to where we are now. There is no question in my mind as to what your answer would be. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/113 "2005-10-31T19:55:49Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Would it matter? > > If I were to provide one, will you declare that I was right after all and convert to my way of thinking on the subject? > > Or will you merely argue with it and try to find some way to negate it? At which point we’ll be pretty much back to where we are now. > > There is no question in my mind as to what your answer would be. How can I answer until I see the cite? I agree with others that it seems most likely that you are not here to convince or persuade, or to be convinced or be persuaded, but merely to sound off. No comment on what happened the last time you blamed something on liberalism? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/114 "2005-10-31T19:56:17Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Would it matter? > > If I were to provide one, will you declare that I was right after all and convert to my way of thinking on the subject? . Why don’t you try it for a change, instead of simply donning the hair shirt and using it as an excuse for not backing up a single factual claim with any evidence whatsoever? Find me an example of liberals “trying to have Christian images removed from public view even if on private, non-government property.” Chances are, if such folks exist, i will stand ready to disagree with them, and to agree with you that they are out of line. Come on, give it a go. What can it cost you? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/115 "2005-10-31T20:10:02Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I agree with others that it seems most likely that you are not here to convince or persuade, or to be convinced or be persuaded, but merely to sound off. Excuse me, but I believe it’s me who said that. And I explained why. As I said then, when I see the type of behavior even the **Sam Stones** of this board come in for, I see the futility involved in trying to be reasonable and/or civil in these types of discussions. Thus, my philosophy has become pretty much one of my coming in here, saying what I have to say and sometimes explaining why, and letting the chips fall where they may. I’m never gonna convince you of anything and you’re never gonna convince me of anything, so what’s the point of doing the dance? You guys just love to pile on the rare conservative voice around here, and endless calls for cites that prove nothing even when offered are one of your weapons of choice. It doesn’t mean you are in right when you do so, it just means your opponent has provided you with further means for their own ugly treatment. So, make of my words what you will, but you ain’t gonna be getting much in the way of cites from me…unless of course I decide to provide one of my own free will such as I did in the Rosa Parks thread. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/116 "2005-10-31T20:16:20Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > …when I see a movement taking hold which has more or less already found its way into the culture as a whole where you aren’t supposed to say “Merry Christmas,” you’re supposed to say “Happy Holidays”… Uhh, cause not everybody **IS** celebrating Christmas? :wally Buddhists, Bodhi Day ,Buddha’s Enlightenment December 8, 2006 Wiccans/Neo Pagans, Yule/Winter Solstice December 21, 2005 Zoroastrians, Zarathosht Diso (Death of Prophet Zarathushtra) December 26, 2005 Jews, Hanukkah December 26, 2005-January 2, 2005 Sikhs, Guru Gobind Singh’s Birthday January 5, 2006 [Cite](http://www.interfaithcalendar.org/index.htm) But since they’re NOT **Christians** , who gives a fuck if they have a happy holiday and a good New Year? When come back, bring cite! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/117 "2005-10-31T20:21:53Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Chances are, if such folks exist, i will stand ready to disagree with them, and to agree with you that they are out of line. But don’t you see? That wouldn’t matter. I spoke in one of these threads about the Dope being a tiny sliver of the country’s population and that proving something to someone here isn’t going to change things in the slightest. (This isn’t to denigrate or negate the many fine discussions that do go on around here among people who enjoy participating in them and whose minds may even be changed as a result.) When I gripe around here about this or that type of liberal behavior and/or its result, I’m incensed because of what is going on in the country as a whole. Persuading you as an individual isn’t going to change that one iota. (Though I think it’s laudable that you are willing to criticize the behavior I complained about.) One may wonder then why I post here in the first place. Several reasons. For one, it gives me greater insight into the liberal thought process than I would have otherwise. I occasionally hear something from either a conservative or liberal poster here that gives me a different perspective on things. And sometimes I just get filled up with disgust over something that’s happened somewhere in the country and feel the need to speak up about it. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/118 "2005-10-31T20:29:32Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You guys just love to pile on the rare conservative voice around here, and endless calls for cites that prove nothing even when offered are one of your weapons of choice. It doesn’t mean you are in right when you do so, it just means your opponent has provided you with further means for their own ugly treatment. You may take this sanctimonious treacle, fold it till it’s all sharp corners, and shove it up your ass. Had you offered a cite, I would have read it, and told you whether I agreed or not, and why, or if I thought it specious, why I thought so. You may, of course, continue on your path of higher consciousness without me. There are some conservative posters here I enjoy reading, even though I disagree with them. There are some conservative posters here who are not intellectually stunted, who are not formed from a base of fear, and who vigorously and honestly challenge their political opponents. You are not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/119 "2005-10-31T20:33:51Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Excuse me, but I believe it’s me who said that. And I explained why. As I said then, when I see the type of behavior even the **Sam Stones** of this board come in for, I see the futility involved in trying to be reasonable and/or civil in these types of discussions. Thus, my philosophy has become pretty much one of my coming in here, saying what I have to say and sometimes explaining why, and letting the chips fall where they may. > > I’m never gonna convince you of anything and you’re never gonna convince me of anything, so what’s the point of doing the dance? To show others who is the illogical one here: [http://www.adamsmith.org/logicalfallacies/000598.php](http://www.adamsmith.org/logicalfallacies/000598.php) In other words, the point is to show to others that people like you are just followers of fallacies. A perfect foil to a doper. Although I don’t agree with him **Sam Stone** also brings evidence to the disscussions. > [@](#): > > You guys just love to pile on the rare conservative voice around here, and endless calls for cites that prove nothing even when offered are one of your weapons of choice. It doesn’t mean you are in right when you do so, it just means your opponent has provided you with further means for their own ugly treatment. As I said before I modified my point of view regarding guns thanks to the cites and evidence brought forth by the conservatives here, so once again, as has been your case in this thread, you are a lier. > [@](#): > > So, make of my words what you will, but you ain’t gonna be getting much in the way of cites from me…unless of course I decide to provide one of my own free will such as I did in the Rosa Parks thread. We call that a google vomit. But guess what fallacy droid? It stopped me from criticizing your point against Jessie Jackson. And I did agree with what you said on the Rosa Parks thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518/120 "2005-10-31T20:35:43Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You guys just love to pile on the rare conservative voice around here… There it is again, that unsupportable claim that conservatives are a rare breed here. While liberal posters may outnumber you conservatives, you guys post with such prodigious frequency that there is unquestionably parity between conservative and liberal posts. Would you like a cite? Or will you accept my claim without support, as you ask us to accept yours? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-keep-pushing-those-buttons/328518.md?page=7)