# Iran: More sanctions now or wait? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 19, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300 "2013-11-19T22:23:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/661 "2013-12-23T18:27:32Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Ok, so let’s say the youth of Iran finally gets fed up with theocratic rule and take to the streets, sort of what happened in 2009. The leaders of Iran call this a CIA plot, just as they did in 2009. Do you believe Iran will then be justified to launch a nuclear strike against the United States? Is it your opinion that any nation is justified in nuking some other nation on the grounds that it instigated a riot? What sort of world do you live in anyway?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/662 "2013-12-23T18:34:50Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > Are you saying that you’ve never heard top-level American politicians and military men suggesting they ought to nuke Iran? Gosh! :eek: No, I have not. I’ve heard a random Congressman or two grab for headlines by saying things like "[“I think if you have to hit Iran, you don’t put boots on the ground. You do it with tactical nuclear devices, and you set them back a decade or two or three",](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/04/republican-rep-nuke-iran-with-massive-aerial-bombardment-if-they-defy-us/) but that hardly constitutes “The U.S.” doing anything. A Swiss politician just [called for the arrest of Henry Kissinger as a war criminal.](http://www.infowars.com/prominent-swiss-politician-calls-for-arrest-of-kissinger-at-bilderberg/) Can it now be said that the Swiss get their way by threatening to arrest foreign dignitaries? ---
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/663 "2013-12-23T18:34:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, they are most probably wrong. Its only that we have given them good reason to be wrong. Perhaps. But I believe that when a bumpkin manages to get membership to an exclusive club, the old boys will come to realize that it’s in everyone’s interest to step in and teach him how to manoeuvre the place without knocking over the porcelain cabinette. ---
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/664 "2013-12-23T18:46:50Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > … I’ve heard a random Congressman or two grab for headlines by saying things like I think if you have to hit Iran, you don’t put boots on the ground. You do it with tactical nuclear devices, and you set them back a decade or two or three", but that hardly constitutes “The U.S.” doing anything. Hardly constitutes the U.S. doing anything? Indeed. That is what’s called “a threat”. The U.S. has actually nuked the population of Japan … twice … but for some reason you think American threats are nothing to worry about while Iran scares the shit out of you. Hmmmmmm. Assuming you are American, can you imagine why Iran might want to nuke you? And if so wouldn’t it be prudent to make friends instead of intimidating them? Or is treating others with equal respect not the American way? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/665 "2013-12-23T18:52:20Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > I’ll give you one off the top of my head. If you cannot concede the point I might find the will to access 4 more. > > Immediately after the 7-11 attacks on NYC Iran offered an initiative to cooperate with the U.S. in weeding out Al Qaida. Iran didn’t like Al Qaida anyway and their geographic position together with the U.S. would have definitely put a huge dent in bin Laden’s future, if not stop him all-together. The U.S. didn’t even reply, thus spinning its own wheels and getting nowhere for years. > > The result was in making the Iranian government seem (to its own population) soft, weak and toothless - puppy eyeing the Americans only to be snubbed - so the climate changed and Iran went back to being tough. If you can provide a citation showing that the United States “didn’t even reply,” that would be helpful. Because I’m finding cites of Colin Powell saying that Iran’s overtures were “hopeful”, but that Iran had to do more on ceasing its lengthy record of support for terrorism. > [@](#): > > Irrelevant. With the U.S. putting pressure on Iran and threatening this, that and the other thing, what should Iran do … go back to the U.S. puppeting out the Iranian government? My above example shows that Iran did what it could, to no avail. Being tough is the only thing the U.S. respects. All in all getting a bomb seems like the answer to Iran’s worries. They might even be right too. Let’s recap here: you asked why people are opposed to Iran getting the bomb. I pointed out that Iran has a legal commitment not to get the bomb. You agreed that Iran shouldn’t be bound by old treaties, to which I stated that Iran has had 34 years to renounce the NPT, but they have not. I can’t think of any response that it more relevant to what you said than pointing out that Iran has maintained its membership in the NPT for 34 years. That has literally nothing to do with US foreign policy; Iran stayed a member of the NPT by their own accord. > [@](#): > > Is it your opinion that any nation is justified in nuking some other nation on the grounds that it instigated a riot? What sort of world do you live in anyway? You said that Iran might deserve the bomb to prevent what happened in 1953, a CIA-sponsored coup. I’m not clear what having a nuclear weapon has to to do with foreign meddling like that. Would Iran threaten to use a nuclear weapon against a country that would undertake such meddling? And if a country is doing such meddling, how would Iran really know who is responsible? Don’t you see a risk in linking nuclear deterrence to events that may or may not have any foreign hand in them? > [@elucidator](#): > > Right. Got it. Its my fault you don’t have an answer. How can I make it up to you? Your response to half of my posts have been comments about US hypocrisy. As my link shows, that is a textbook definition of “tu quoque,” a universally recognized logical fallacy. If a father tells his son not to smoke cigarettes, but the son points out that the father smokes, the accusation of hypocrisy does not actually undermine the fact that the father is giving sound advice. Similarly, if I write something about the destabilizing policies of Iran, the question of whether or not other countries also have destabilizing policies does not actually have any bearing on the accuracy of my comments on Iran. You’ve been around this board a long time, I know you know what a tu quoque argument is. [At least in a silly sense, that is.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8775038&postcount=35) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/666 "2013-12-23T18:58:01Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > The U.S. has actually nuked the population of Japan … twice … but for some reason you think American threats are nothing to worry about while Iran scares the shit out of you. Good point. If we ever get in a world war because Iran conducts a sneak attack on the United States killing 2,800 Americans, and then Iran goes on a rampage of conquest around its region while allying itself with genocidal maniacs, and then the American president is given a choice between sending one million American GIs into Iran or attacking with two nuclear weapons, Iran may have something very real to worry about. Because it has happened before! ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/667 "2013-12-23T19:02:20Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > Hardly constitutes the U.S. doing anything? Indeed. That is what’s called “a threat”. Sorry, but you can’t substitute one guy’s remarks for U.S. policy. Do you really want to play that game? I have access to a search engine, y’know. Name a political position, and there’s someone from some nation’s government that’s espoused it. > [@Riga Marole](#): > > The U.S. has actually nuked the population of Japan … twice … but for some reason you think American threats are nothing to worry about while Iran scares the shit out of you. Hmmmmmm. American threats are plenty to worry about…when made by someone with the ability and inclination to carry them out. I’m not afraid of Iran, though I do think adherence to treaty obligations is a cornerstone of international order and peaceful cooperation. > [@Riga Marole](#): > > Assuming you are American, can you imagine why Iran might want to nuke you? And if so wouldn’t it be prudent to make friends instead of intimidating them? Or is treating others with equal respect not the American way? It’s being worked on, there’s an interim deal in place. Treating others equally is precisely _not_ what you’re advocating, since you wish to give Iran a special, and un-asked for, exemption to the NPT. ---
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/668 "2013-12-23T19:40:00Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > If you can provide a citation showing that the United States “didn’t even reply,” that would be helpful. Because I’m finding cites of Colin Powell saying that Iran’s overtures were “hopeful”, but that Iran had to do more on ceasing its lengthy record of support for terrorism. Colin Powell has been duped by the White House and Pentagon more than once. It’s a matter of record. Anyway, this is not the original source I’m familiar with but pretty much says it anyway. > **[How Neocons Sabotaged Iran's Help on al-Qaeda - Antiwar.com](https://original.antiwar.com/porter/2006/02/23/how-neocons-sabotaged-irans-help-on-al-qaeda/)** > > The United States and Iran were on a course to work closely together on the war against al-Qaeda and its Taliban sponsors in Afghanistan in late 2001 and early 2002 until Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld stepped in to scuttle that cooperation,... > [@Ravenman](#): > > Let’s recap here: you asked why people are opposed to Iran getting the bomb. I pointed out that Iran has a legal commitment not to get the bomb. You agreed that Iran shouldn’t be bound by old treaties, to which I stated that Iran has had 34 years to renounce the NPT, but they have not. > > I can’t think of any response that it more relevant to what you said than pointing out that Iran has maintained its membership in the NPT for 34 years. That has literally nothing to do with US foreign policy; Iran stayed a member of the NPT by their own accord. I called it irrelevant because you’ve used the same argument twice, ignoring my initial rebuff as if you never saw it. And to put one point on the jab … I didn’t state I think “that Iran shouldn’t be bound by old treaties”. I never even addressed it. > [@Ravenman](#): > > You said that Iran might deserve the bomb to prevent what happened in 1953, a CIA-sponsored coup. I’m not clear what having a nuclear weapon has to to do with foreign meddling like that. Would Iran threaten to use a nuclear weapon against a country that would undertake such meddling? And if a country is doing such meddling, how would Iran really know who is responsible? Don’t you see a risk in linking nuclear deterrence to events that may or may not have any foreign hand in them? I gave several reasons why Iran might have use of the bomb, not merely the CIA overthrow of the Democratic government of Iran in the 50’s but all that has followed since the Islamic Revolution, tossing out the U.S. Furthermore I never once said that I advocate Iran bombing the U.S. You are letting your imagination get the best of you. > [@Ravenman](#): > > Your response to half of my posts have been comments about US hypocrisy. As my link shows, that is a textbook definition of “tu quoque,” a universally recognized logical fallacy. If a father tells his son not to smoke cigarettes, but the son points out that the father smokes, the accusation of hypocrisy does not actually undermine the fact that the father is giving sound advice. There is nothing false or hypocritical about history - factual history that is. In response to your claim that my response is … whatever … I might just as well say that yours have been more on the order of, “Oh! I hate conspiracy theories and I’m so sick of people blaming the U.S.!” > [@Ravenman](#): > > Similarly, if I write something about the destabilizing policies of Iran, the question of whether or not other countries also have destabilizing policies does not actually have any bearing on the accuracy of my comments on Iran. What is important to realize is that the U.S. is a super power. It is arguably the only super power. The U.S. has been involved in so much treachery, torture, murder, cover-ups, black flag operations, and down-right nasty behaviour one can imagine. Perhaps you don’t believe that the CIA can organize a political or military coup? Destabilize the governments of other nations? Planing and executing long-term operations that could take years? Do you play chess? ---
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/669 "2013-12-23T19:48:10Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Good point. If we ever get in a world war because Iran conducts a sneak attack on the United States killing 2,800 Americans, and then Iran goes on a rampage of conquest around its region while allying itself with genocidal maniacs, and then the American president is given a choice between sending one million American GIs into Iran or attacking with two nuclear weapons, Iran may have something very real to worry about. > > Because it has happened before! I think you should look up the e-post address of the Whine House and the Pentagram and beg them to cease intimidating Iran, thus thwarting any bad vibes they might be suffering and maybe lull them into a fuzzy relationship with you. Iran will get the bomb and there is nothing you can do about it. Make friends now. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/670 "2013-12-23T19:52:30Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > I think you should look up the e-post address of the Whine House and the Pentagram and beg them to cease intimidating Iran, thus thwarting any bad vibes they might be suffering and maybe lull them into a fuzzy relationship with you. > > Iran will get the bomb and there is nothing you can do about it. Make friends now. Don’t forget [Russia, China, France, the U.K., and Germany.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P5+1) This is **not** a Iran-U.S. issue, it is a world issue. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/671 "2013-12-23T19:54:44Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > I think you should look up the e-post address of the Whine House and the Pentagram and beg them to cease intimidating Iran… Obama is now enlisting The Devil to intimidate Iran? ---
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/672 "2013-12-23T19:57:35Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Sorry, but you can’t substitute one guy’s remarks for U.S. policy. Do you really want to play that game? I have access to a search engine, y’know. Name a political position, and there’s someone from some nation’s government that’s espoused it. Don’t be childish and feign ignorance, please. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > American threats are plenty to worry about…when made by someone with the ability and inclination to carry them out. All the more reason for Iran to work over-time in the lab. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > I’m not afraid of Iran, though I do think adherence to treaty obligations is a cornerstone of international order and peaceful cooperation. Whose adherence and cooperation are you referring to? > [@Human\_Action](#): > > Treating others equally is precisely _not_ what you’re advocating, since you wish to give Iran a special, and un-asked for, exemption to the NPT. Not true. I really don’t see the U.S. having nuclear might while others do not - nor do I see one nation bound by a treaty but not everyone. I guess it boils down to the notion of true equality (mine) in opposition to inequal equality (sort of a contradiction, isn’t it) like yours. ---
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/673 "2013-12-23T20:01:02Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Don’t forget Russia, China, France, the U.K., and Germany. > > This is **not** a Iran-U.S. issue, it is a world issue. While it is true that English is not my mother tongue I’m fairly certain the title of this thread is _ **“Iran: More sanctions now or wait?”** _ I can’t find any of the countries you name, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Riga\_Marole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riga_marole/32/7316_2.png) [@Riga\_Marole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riga_Marole)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/674 "2013-12-23T20:03:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Obama is now enlisting The Devil to intimidate Iran? Why not? The Axis of Evil in one corner and the Devil in the other. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/675 "2013-12-23T20:05:06Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > Don’t be childish and feign ignorance, please. Yeah, I’m not. You seem to believe the U.S. threatens the use of nuclear weapons to get its way. It does not, unless one subsitutes “any American” for “The U.S.”…which is silly. > [@Riga Marole](#): > > All the more reason for Iran to work over-time in the lab. When those threats occur, perhaps. They aren’t now, and probably never will. Note the 68 years without a nuclear attack, and those occured under circumstances that are unlikely to ever exist again. > [@Riga Marole](#): > > Whose adherence and cooperation are you referring to? In this case, Iran’s, to the NPT. > [@Riga Marole](#): > > Not true. I really don’t see the U.S. having nuclear might while others do not - nor do I see one nation bound by a treaty but not everyone. I guess it boils down to the notion of true equality (mine) in opposition to inequal equality (sort of a contradiction, isn’t it) like yours. 168 nations signed the NPT of their own free will. Why do you suppose they did that? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/676 "2013-12-23T20:06:38Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > Anyway, this is not the original source I’m familiar with but pretty much says it anyway. > [How Neocons Sabotaged Iran's Help on al-Qaeda - Antiwar.com](http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=8590) Okay, I think you’ve done a fair job citing that instance of Iran wanting to cooperate with the US but being rebuffed. Since you said that the US has turned down Iran’s overtures “scores” of times, can you provide other instances? > [@](#): > > I called it irrelevant because you’ve used the same argument twice, ignoring my initial rebuff as if you never saw it. > > And to put one point on the jab … I didn’t state I think “that Iran shouldn’t be bound by old treaties”. I never even addressed it. **elucidator** posted that the treaties were signed by a former (and perhaps not legitimate) government of Iran, and you responded: “Short, sharp and a nail hit upon its head.” If I misinterpreted your comment, what did you actually mean? > [@](#): > > I gave several reasons why Iran might have use of the bomb, not merely the CIA overthrow of the Democratic government of Iran in the 50’s but all that has followed since the Islamic Revolution, tossing out the U.S. Furthermore I never once said that I advocate Iran bombing the U.S. You are letting your imagination get the best of you. You made a vague statement about Iran defending against aggression, so I asked if you meant that Iran might respond to another Iraqi invasion by using a nuclear weapon. You then posted a link to a wikipedia page on the 1953 coup, and a comment about the general poor relations between the US and Iran. Since you brought up the coup and the poor relations, I was led to believe that Iran should threaten or actually use a nuclear weapons in response to the type of things you brought up. If that wasn’t your intention, that was not clear… and I’m also confused on why you raised them in response to my question. > [@](#): > > What is important to realize is that the U.S. is a super power. It is arguably the only super power. The U.S. has been involved in so much treachery, torture, murder, cover-ups, black flag operations, and down-right nasty behaviour one can imagine. Perhaps you don’t believe that the CIA can organize a political or military coup? Destabilize the governments of other nations? Planing and executing long-term operations that could take years? Do you play chess? Seeing as how Russia, China, France, Germany, UK, and the US are all negotiating with Iran to try to find a peaceful end to the nuclear program, it is a mistake to imply that this issue is about only the US and Iran. It’s really an issue between Iran and most other countries in the world, as evidenced by the number of countries at the negotiating table and the UN resolutions on the matter. So, while you can criticize the US for assassinations, bad TV shows, and faked moon landings, that really has little to do with Iran’s nuclear program and why so many different countries, and the UN, want it done away with. > [@](#): > > I really don’t see the U.S. having nuclear might while others do not - nor do I see one nation bound by a treaty but not everyone. Everyone who signs the NPT must be subject to it. Happy? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/677 "2013-12-23T20:09:20Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > While it is true that English is not my mother tongue I’m fairly certain the title of this thread is _ **“Iran: More sanctions now or wait?”** _ Yes, it is. Did you think the U.S. is the sole negotiating partner with Iran on this issue, or the source of all sanctions on Iran? [They are not.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Iran) > [@Riga Marole](#): > > I can’t find any of the countries you name, unfortunately. Pardon? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/678 "2013-12-24T05:07:05Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Under this agreement, they get about a billion dollars per month. That’s not “canceling out” internal economic leverage. It’s also pretty lame to suggest that $500 million in sanctions relief to buy auto parts is going to be diverted to their nuclear program, because the last time I checked you don’t need brake lights and catalytic converters for enrichment activities. Is the $500 million in sanctions relief that you have mentioned the same thing or similar as relief that Iran might expect to gain from the P5+1 volunteering to stop enforcement of any of those existing sanctions that were not part of some kind of relief that was mentioned in the interim deal? I ask you because you are claiming that the White House is ‘splitting hairs’ by opposing tough new sanctions the US Senators and the neocon’s want all the while going about the business of cracking down on violators of existing sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/679 "2013-12-24T05:09:52Z")
How about you figure it out and report back to the class. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300/680 "2013-12-24T05:20:14Z")
> [@Riga\_Marole](#): > > … nor do I see one nation bound by a treaty but not everyone. Just a question for clarification and nothing more. Are you referring to the region where Iran is located and where one nation in that region is not bound by the NPT because they have not signed it? > [@](#): > > Hours before Iran FM meets Kerry || Rohani calls on Israel to sign Nuclear NPT > > Rohani says Israel should sign ‘without delay’; U.S. meet with P5+1 powers will be first time Iranian, U.S. FMs - estranged since 1979 Islamic Revolution - meet since brief encounter in May 2007. By Reuters, The Associated Press and Haaretz | Sep. 26, 2013 | 5:15 PM > > [Rohani Calls on Israel to Sign Nuclear NPT - Haaretz Com - Haaretz.com](http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.549103) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-more-sanctions-now-or-wait/674300.md?page=35)