# Iran Obama's 'only chance of success' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 16, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682 "2010-05-16T21:31:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/141 "2010-05-31T14:53:34Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Zanthor, I can’t understand a word you’re saying. Is English your second language? Because maybe you should go back to school and kick your english teacher in the nuts. lol. what i express is pure emotion, feeling. words are simply the vehicle / \i am sorry if mine don’t quite measure up for you… i am sorry if it is too obtuse for you. I choose to write this way, most of the true content is hidden. slightly. you will see it if you arte meant to. its mainly to do with collective consciousness, when all thought is one and one are all. no hatred exists. its NOT for everyone, some ppl need to Hate. its not for me to Judge them… sure, Peace, a pipe dream, obscure, probably futile in its innocence, but nonetheless, one i continue to cling to as the only salvation, for us all. say what? you think Cruise missiles a better Option, really? as if killing the other ppl was ever going to work? seriously now? we have had decades of hating Muslims, killing them, invading them, . has it worked thus far??? when will enough killing be enough? when Nukes are finally deployed, and we all wasted? will that then end our hatred? i think prob not. what say you? ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/142 "2010-05-31T15:05:09Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Yes, it is a problem. If you don’t care about communicating with your audience, why should your audience care about communicating with you? > > What’s the purpose of your posting here? Are you trying to change people’s minds? Is it on an important topic? Then you should care enough to try to write as coherently and clearly as you possibly can. > > If you refuse to write clearly and coherently, then that’s evidence that you don’t really care about the topic, and don’t care if your audience understands you. basically, do we the West kill too wantonly, them evil axis ppl? is that enough of a full; sentence enough for you to understand deal with and respond too? or shall i rephrase the question? to make it even easier for you? basically, are we way worse murders than them evil ppl, ? Ther are only bad, only we are good, as we exterminate them, just cos we can, it seems… plz they to convince me in the affirmative… i beg you. Basically i think we are R$USobbers, killers. love it if you could convince me otherwise.. zxan ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/143 "2010-05-31T15:10:19Z")
Well, exactly. Your post shows contempt for this topic, and for the rest of us. You don’t give a shit about the people who read what you write, OR the people you write about, it’s all about you and how you feel. Writing your incomprehensible word salad makes you feel good, so that’s what you do. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/144 "2010-05-31T15:17:00Z")
edited spelling errors. despite the silly lock out. basically, do we the West kill too wantonly, them evil axis ppl? is that enough of a full sentence enough for you to understand deal with and respond to? or shall i rephrase the question? to make it even easier for you? basically, are we way worse murders than them evil ppl, ? They are only bad, only we are good, as we exterminate them, just cos we can, it seems… lay waste their countries, only cos we can, ? Kill them indiscriminately? plz try to convince me in the affirmative… i beg you. Basically i think we are R$USobbers, killers. basically beyond redemption, for now, love it if you could convince me otherwise… Zanthor ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/145 "2010-05-31T15:24:59Z")
[quote=“Lemur866, post:143, topic:539682”] Well, exactly. Your post shows contempt for this topic, and for the rest of us. You don’t give a shit about the people who read what you write, OR the people you write about, it’s all about you and how you feel. Writing your incomprehensible word salad makes you Nope, you still miss the mark. its NOT about you nor me. what we think, its about us killing them, basically indiscriminately… How about you addres this issue. attacking me will not make what we are doing to them go away. sorry, but its true… ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/146 "2010-05-31T15:29:25Z")
Yeah, the ostensible focus of this thread is the people of Iran, who might get bombed or invaded by Americans. And you can’t be bothered to write a coherent sentence about the problem. You’d rather babble and speak in metaphors. That’s why I’m positive you don’t really care about this issue, because if you really thought this was an urgent problem you’d use all your strength to communicate clearly about the problem. Since you don’t, that proves you don’t really care. And since you don’t care, why should the rest of us care? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/147 "2010-05-31T15:30:55Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Well, exactly. That’s the point. He is posting in such a manner that pretty much deliberately makes it unpleasant if not impossible to carry out a discussion with him. Personally I’d suggest you oblige. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/148 "2010-05-31T15:37:50Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Yeah, the ostensible focus of this thread is the people of Iran, who might get bombed or invaded by Americans. > > And you can’t be bothered to write a coherent sentence about the problem. You’d rather babble and speak in metaphors. That’s why I’m positive you don’t really care about this issue, because if you really thought this was an urgent problem you’d use all your strength to communicate clearly about the problem. Since you don’t, that proves you don’t really care. And since you don’t care, why should the rest of us care? Yes, its true, i write to fellow travellers on The Path, hoping to find Kinship, Sure, I write to like minded ppl, i am in constant hope to find compassion, mercy, no greed, no lust. so far mostly dissapointed. Sorry, its not personal, you sure don’t help… What you say is Cute, only thing you failed to mention is. that ( America ) is waging war on the ME. collectively… They are NOT invading us… ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/149 "2010-05-31T15:48:30Z")
So you only want to communicate with people who are already “on the path”? Not, say, Americans who might support bombing the crap out of Iranian people? If you want to stop Americans from bombing Iran, then you should try to convince Americans that bombing Iran would be wrong. Since you don’t do that, you don’t want to stop Americans from bombing Iran, you just want to feel a certain way while watching Americans bomb Iran. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/150 "2010-05-31T15:53:19Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > That’s the point. He is posting in such a manner that pretty much deliberately makes it unpleasant if not impossible to carry out a discussion with him. Personally I’d suggest you oblige. 3rd person Huh? you must be desperate for unity with your kind. me? i don’t mind, ppl come and go, this planet, millions of years old, eternity is so so many millions more, of years old. How important is America really…? basically just another flash in the pan measured against eternity…/\ what i would like right here now is an impartial discussion to the havoc and greed, lust we are wreaking on the ME. total Honesty if this is too much for you, then do not read my posts. slink back into the safeness of self preservation, your countries overwhelming dominance by weapons of war, its ability to slaughter whole countries. Its actions, beyond reproach, beyond question, beyond accountability… Your county is apparently ( sic ) the leader of the ‘free’ world. Howe about you act like it…? Stop acting worse than Dictators, worse by far than the ones you create, insert to run whole countries… Just a friendly suggestion??? BTW, how did you do with the Iran Quiz, on page 1 of this thread. all your bias justified, or not? Just curious is all… ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/151 "2010-05-31T16:00:20Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > So you only want to communicate with people who are already “on the path”? > > Not, say, Americans who might support bombing the crap out of Iranian people? If you want to stop Americans from bombing Iran, then you should try to convince Americans that bombing Iran would be wrong. > > Since you don’t do that, you don’t want to stop Americans from bombing Iran, you just want to feel a certain way while watching Americans bomb Iran. why would you assume i want only to communicate with ppl of like minded thoughts? I am ready to communicate with any person on any level they choose. I said much of what i write is encoded, you will see it on some level, applicable to you, that is enough for me. Those that see deeper, well i am here to try explore deeper thoughts, with them. things like, to do with, Holiness, Righteousness, Forgiveness, Mercy, Compassion, Empathy, etc etc, etc. I think Americans will do whatever they like, the have the guns, the power. I feel mostly shame for them. how about you? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/152 "2010-05-31T16:10:14Z")
Well, there you go. You don’t care about helping the human beings in Iran, you care about how you feel about Iran. You don’t care about changing how Americans think, or educating them, or helping them, you just enjoy feeling superior to them. Iranians and Americans are just shadow puppets that allow your personal psychodrama to unfold. Whether human beings live or die or kill is unimportant to you, what’s important is your feelings. You’re a mountain of compassion there, Siddartha. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/153 "2010-05-31T16:22:47Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Well, there you go. > > You don’t care about helping the human beings in Iran, you care about how you feel about Iran. > > You don’t care about changing how Americans think, or educating them, or helping them, you just enjoy feeling superior to them. Iranians and Americans are just shadow puppets that allow your personal psychodrama to unfold. Whether human beings live or die or kill is unimportant to you, what’s important is your feelings. > > You’re a mountain of compassion there, Siddartha. lol.you attempt to ridicule me at my best effort at empathy. I care about humanity, as a whole. objectively, Not subjectively. There is a huge difference you know. How about you try to address this instead of attacking me. Like Why is America is ablaze with light, energy consumption, whist the world is mostly dark and quite? you think this is right, feel good about this??? ) meanwhile’s, attack me all you want, i don’t mind, i try to think, to feel as one with those we hate, oppress, trade sanction, bomb, invade, occupy… demoralise… well, hey, if attacking me personally helps you,. go for it. i will continue to think you have avoided accountability nonetheless. at the end of the day, the only thing that rules is conscience… you in touch with yours? ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/154 "2010-05-31T18:52:38Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > why would you assume i want only to communicate with ppl of like minded thoughts? Maybe because every time I ask you questions about the religious tolerance in Iran, you ignore my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/155 "2010-06-01T02:01:25Z")
> [@julius blaze](#): > > Maybe because every time I ask you questions about the religious tolerance in Iran, you ignore my posts. sorry, i did not note a serious question worth replying to. if this is an error against you, i of course apologise. what concerns me much more is the hundreds and hundreds of thousands we kill of them ‘other ppl’ in the ME. i agree, its all religious intolerance, Lust, Greed. Domination. a centuries old conflict between Christianity and Moslem ppl. same God, but mutual hatred exists. Both claim sole righteousness, to justify hatred and slaughter./ why is the more important question you could ask… ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/156 "2010-06-01T17:25:26Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Well, there you go. > > You don’t care about helping the human beings in Iran, you care about how you feel about Iran. > > You don’t care about changing how Americans think, or educating them, or helping them, you just enjoy feeling superior to them. Iranians and Americans are just shadow puppets that allow your personal psychodrama to unfold. Whether human beings live or die or kill is unimportant to you, what’s important is your feelings. > > You’re a mountain of compassion there, Siddartha. actually, its Siddhartha, if you are going to quote truths, get it right 1st time huh? why would i even think i could change how Americans think, they are responsible only to themselves, certainly not to the rest of us ppl on this planet. we share… Superior, why the $US$$ would i want to feel superior? i take the most lowly position, i am a servant, i am a Nurse, i care for the wounded, no matter what race they are. but yes, you are right to a degree, a small one mind you. Feelings are very important to me, i care about other ppl’s feelings. my whole life is dedicated to easing pain. seems to me your county and all its weapons enjoys inflicting pain… i am ashamed of you, get it? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/157 "2010-06-01T17:27:16Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > why would i even think i could change how Americans think, they are responsible only to themselves, certainly not to the rest of us ppl on this planet. This attitude is why you’ve failed to convince anyone of anything so far. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/158 "2010-06-01T17:32:38Z")
Yeah, you’re ashamed of us, but God forbid that you actually try to, you know, change someone’s mind. If you’re not trying to change someone’s mind, you’re just engaging in masturbation. You aren’t trying to make the world a better place, you just enjoy feeling superior. And you’re so proud of your humbleness! Note that I don’t agree with what I imagine your veiw might be–I can’t really tell for sure exactly what you think, because you refuse to argue cogently. But as far as I can tell I’d argue against you if only I knew what I was arguing against. But you aren’t interested in engaging with human beings, so why should I bother? And I have no illusions that you’ll change, because you’re so wrapped up in yourself you ignore everything everyone else writes, and just continue to babble on to yourself. Of course you won’t change, because you won’t make the tiniest effort to make the world a better place, even by your own standards. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/159 "2010-06-01T17:33:39Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This attitude is why you’ve failed to convince anyone of anything so far. you think i want to convince anyone of anything at all? nope, sorry, not my job. ppl will think what ever they want, what they think is not my responsibility. i only try to point out an alternate POV, theirs, the enemy we love to kill, ( as i imagine it would be ) ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/160 "2010-06-01T17:37:09Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Yeah, you’re ashamed of us, but God forbid that you actually try to, you know, change someone’s mind. > > If you’re not trying to change someone’s mind, you’re just engaging in masturbation. You aren’t trying to make the world a better place, you just enjoy feeling superior. And you’re so proud of your humbleness! > > Note that I don’t agree with what I imagine your veiw might be–I can’t really tell for sure exactly what you think, because you refuse to argue cogently. But as far as I can tell I’d argue against you if only I knew what I was arguing against. > > But you aren’t interested in engaging with human beings, so why should I bother? And I have no illusions that you’ll change, because you’re so wrapped up in yourself you ignore everything everyone else writes, and just continue to babble on to yourself. Of course you won’t change, because you won’t make the tiniest effort to make the world a better place, even by your own standards. need some KY with all that self righteous glorious stroking?\> sure looks like it [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682.md?page=9)