# Iran Obama's 'only chance of success' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 16, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682 "2010-05-16T21:31:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/161 "2010-06-02T09:41:50Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > need some KY with all that self righteous glorious stroking?\> > sure looks like it No, you seem to be doing alright on your own. Fun fact from the recent issue of the Economist: Punishment for homosexuality in Iran: Death for males, 100 lashes for women (death for fourth offense). But hey, the US won’t let gays fight in the military, which is exactly the same thing. I guess it’s okay to kill innocent people when they’re your own citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/162 "2010-06-02T10:38:25Z")
[Mod Note] I think we’re set on the masturbation references now, so let’s move on. Thanks. [/Mod Note] > [@Zanthor](#): > > you think i want to convince anyone of anything at all? Owing to the fact that you started a thread on a message board, yes, I do think you wanted to convince people of something. > [@](#): > > i only try to point out an alternate POV, theirs, the enemy we love to kill, ( as i imagine it would be ) Right, and there are just a couple of problems with this: 1. You’re assuming you know what their point of view is. 2. You’re assuming nobody else here except you can figure out their point of view. 3. You keep throwing in crap about how we (whoever ‘we’ are) love to kill them and hate them and want to attack and nuke everybody, which just about guarantees nobody is going to listen to you. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/163 "2010-06-02T12:27:50Z")
Anyone who says this: > [@Zanthor](#): > > Like Why is America is ablaze with light, energy consumption, whist the world is mostly dark and quite? > you think this is right, feel good about this??? ) Or writes “US$$$$” (did you forget the AmeriKKKa?) like this: > [@Zanthor](#): > > Superior, why the $US$$ would i want to feel superior? …isn’t interested in honest debate. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/164 "2010-06-04T01:01:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This attitude is why you’ve failed to convince anyone of anything so far. Nope, never tried, i said already, its not my business to convince anyone of anything. What i am trying to do, is point out the Wests ignorance of just why we are supposed to hate Iran, and anyone else in the ME the West is currently slaughtering, almost in some insane pack animal killing frenzy. I merely asked why? SO FAR\< I have not received one answer that could explain our Lust for Vengeance for 9/11 ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/165 "2010-06-04T01:11:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No, you seem to be doing alright on your own. > > Fun fact from the recent issue of the Economist: Punishment for homosexuality in Iran: Death for males, 100 lashes for women (death for fourth offense). But hey, the US won’t let gays fight in the military, which is exactly the same thing. > > I guess it’s okay to kill innocent people when they’re your own citizens. I said earlier, the degree of wrongness is relative. See Salem Witch Trials, give or take a few decades, centuries, we are ALL THE SAME\>\>\> ( look up, he is without Sin, cast the 1st stone) Stoning was common too. its reference is Time, which if you understood it, a decade, a hundred, a thousand, 10,000, a million, is the blink of an eye… ok, sure, fair comment, we want to slaughter the whole country cos we dont like how they treat homosexuals? Bomb whole cities like Nazis to rubble, like Poland??? Wow, gives a whole new meaning for the term slaughterer, justification to kill huh? Sexual preference… You sure it did not have anything to do with like, say, maybe, perhaps, they wanted to NATIONALISE "THEIR OIL’ Industry??? and did so??? Sheese ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/166 "2010-06-04T14:27:53Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > SO FAR\< I have not received one answer that could explain our Lust for Vengeance for 9/11 SO FAR\< I have not received one answer that could explain Iran’s lust for oppressing Baha’is. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/167 "2010-06-05T22:16:50Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > I said earlier, the degree of wrongness is relative. > See Salem Witch Trials, give or take a few decades, centuries, we are ALL THE SAME\>\>\> > ( look up, he is without Sin, cast the 1st stone) > Stoning was common too. > its reference is Time, which if you understood it, a decade, a hundred, a thousand, 10,000, a million, is the blink of an eye… > > ok, sure, fair comment, we want to slaughter the whole country cos we dont like how they treat homosexuals? > Bomb whole cities like Nazis to rubble, like Poland??? > > Wow, gives a whole new meaning for the term slaughterer, > justification to kill huh? > Sexual preference… > > You sure it did not have anything to do with like, say, maybe, perhaps, they wanted to NATIONALISE "THEIR OIL’ Industry??? > and did so??? > Sheese Good heavens…your goalposts don’t so much move as travel through space and time like the TARDIS. Where did anyone here besides you say that the US want to “slaughter the whole country”? I certainly didn’t. You keep bringing up the Nazis - why? And isn’t the whole “stop them from nationalizing their oil industry” argument about 50 years too late? Do you, in fact, have any point that bears any relation to actual reality? If not, we’re done here. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/168 "2010-06-05T23:24:37Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Good heavens…your goalposts don’t so much move as travel through space and time like the TARDIS. > > Where did anyone here besides you say that the US want to “slaughter the whole country”? I certainly didn’t. You keep bringing up the Nazis - why? And isn’t the whole “stop them from nationalizing their oil industry” argument about 50 years too late? > > Do you, in fact, have any point that bears any relation to actual reality? If not, we’re done here. Nope, no shifting sands here, I stated and asked questions on many individual aspects of the same question. Why is the USA still killing foreign ppl overseas???. by hundreds and hundreds of thousands…? I am still awaiting an answer. why do you keep evading? Why is your country so bright at night, the rest of the planet mostly dark and quiet? What i said was the cities we, THE WEST, have reduced to rubble, heck, pick any one, say Fallujah, where multiple USa helicopters rained down White Phos like some angry God pissing on some pesky colony of ants… plus all other US weapons that were heavily deployed on the city. acutely remind me of what the Nazi did to Europe, or what we, the West did to Vietnam, Cambodia.etc etc etc etc. do you think the similarities i see as false?? Why would you think i have the power to shift goalposts. what i said was, your destruction of multiple cities, worldwide, looks the same… to me… regardless of who does it, them ‘bad ppl’ or usAmeica, ‘good’ ppl??? Fact or Fiction, ??? should i list all the points i have raised about why we are persecuting Iran, to help you focus, whilst to them, we seem the worst demons on earth and in Heaven, with valid reason??? Shheeeez. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/169 "2010-06-05T23:45:56Z")
> [@julius blaze](#): > > SO FAR\< I have not received one answer that could explain Iran’s lust for oppressing Baha’is. yes, i am totally at a loss to understand this too. Baha’i, like Buddhists, and unlike Christianity and Muslim radical aggressive extremists, seem the most peaceful of all he worlds religions… why so much hatred against them? Beats me. personally, Seals and Crofts music and lyrics offered so much hope, for a better world. but then again, when has the world ever done anything else but crucify its Prophets??? no matter just which country? ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/170 "2010-06-09T14:55:46Z")
blink for a moment, whole pages of discourse disappear, did the God’s speak??? reality change? What was said, gone? passed into oblivion, like countless foreign lives that we waste…? kind of makes you wonder why you bother at all… anyway… drums of war beating slightly louder, or just more ‘War Games’ more ‘posturing’ or simply not even happening at all??? (like, its all make believe, in any event, its way over 'there… of little concern to US, … just yet… ) ’ war drums beating louder, but their blood has not started flowing, not quite yet… U.S. accused of Iran ‘siege’ > **[U.S. accused of Iran 'siege' - UPI.com](https://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2010/06/07/US-accused-of-Iran-seige/UPI-33931275959010/)** > > An Azerbaijan politician claims the United States plans to deploy forces in Armenia near the Iranian border under cover of U.N. peacekeeping forces. excerpt. TEHRAN, June 7 (UPI) — An Azerbaijan politician claims the United States plans to deploy forces in Armenia near the Iranian border under cover of U.N. peacekeeping forces. continues… key pieces on the war games chest board simply continue maneuvering into position? probably. outright war, a whiles off yet… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/171 "2010-06-09T16:59:13Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > Nope, no shifting sands here, I stated and asked questions on many individual aspects of the same question. > Why is the USA still killing foreign ppl overseas???. > by hundreds and hundreds of thousands…? > I am still awaiting an answer. If you mean Afghanistan, because the Taliban harbored and encouraged our enemy, who killed many thousand of our innocent civilians. So we overthrew them, and are now attempting to get them set up as a better (albeit not perfect) government who does not harbor our enemies. If you mean Iraq, we thought they were trying to get [WMD](http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:yXOYAei9Cm4J:www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/part3-icnuclear.pdf+Iraqi+nuclear+program+generally+supported+by+the+intelligence&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiqLDL-JRM3mEu2sZVpm9tmYSgNE_yaujRQw9_inFvktfWE9y6Lak6aS7FZwxDQ3lkd9-yL8VR7k2_eUnJdxcFbg81gI81AS6kgJZcfkDl9J3QMT5wIVOXyEaQEPAYWoJYj8Ox4&sig=AHIEtbQz1-Zks62qiVsKARYAXguv9sh4cQ) and were generally violating the terms of the [ceasefire](http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N13/iraq.13w.html) they signed. > [@](#): > > Why is your country so bright at night, the rest of the planet mostly dark and quiet? Because we are generally rich and successful, and much of the rest of the world is not. I am not sure of the relevance of the question to Obama or Iran, but FWIW. > [@](#): > > acutely remind me of what the Nazi did to Europe, > or what we, the West did to Vietnam, Cambodia.etc etc etc etc. What the West did to [Cambodia](http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/08/cambodia.killingfields/) and [Viet Nam](http://dartcenter.org/content/camp-z30-d-survivors)? Hmm. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682/172 "2010-06-10T04:06:00Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If you mean Afghanistan, because the Taliban harbored and encouraged our enemy, who killed many thousand of our innocent civilians. So we overthrew them, and are now attempting to get them set up as a better (albeit not perfect) government who does not harbor our enemies. > > If you mean Iraq, we thought they were trying to get [WMD](http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:yXOYAei9Cm4J:www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/part3-icnuclear.pdf+Iraqi+nuclear+program+generally+supported+by+the+intelligence&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiqLDL-JRM3mEu2sZVpm9tmYSgNE_yaujRQw9_inFvktfWE9y6Lak6aS7FZwxDQ3lkd9-yL8VR7k2_eUnJdxcFbg81gI81AS6kgJZcfkDl9J3QMT5wIVOXyEaQEPAYWoJYj8Ox4&sig=AHIEtbQz1-Zks62qiVsKARYAXguv9sh4cQ) and were generally violating the terms of the [ceasefire](http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N13/iraq.13w.html) they signed. > Because we are generally rich and successful, and much of the rest of the world is not. > > I am not sure of the relevance of the question to Obama or Iran, but FWIW. > > What the West did to [Cambodia](http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/08/cambodia.killingfields/) and [Viet Nam](http://dartcenter.org/content/camp-z30-d-survivors)? > > Hmm. > > Regards, > Shodan Afghanistan was primarily about capturing OBL, or so they said. it was lies. Once war was commenced in Afghanistan the real objective, Neutralising Iraq became the prime objective, as it always had been, even before Afghanistan was attacked. decimate Iraq, leave it belly up, helpless, no longer a threat, not from WMD, it was already known none existed, but from existing as a separate entity from the USA.. one that was increasingly becoming pro Russia… hurt like hell, Yes??? the stooge you inserted to control Iraq for you, was now seeking independence. - Regime change of the Taliban, in Afghanistan was tacked on, almost as an afterthought, much later. after Iraq was ransacked, looted, wasted, crippled… etc… etc… etc… If the Taliban was your prime objective then surely Pakistan would have been the 1st choice of target, cos that’s where the radical anti US Taliban came from. A county you poured $US millions into propping up pro USA puppet Govt’s. to no avail huh? Seems to most ppl, that surrounding Iran with pro USA puppet Govts seem the main objective.. as it always has been. BTW, most of them enemy type ppl think the Wests consumption of Energy, is Greed, personified, at their expense. what say you to this charge? Just curious, is all. Zan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-obamas-only-chance-of-success/539682.md?page=8)