# Iran, this is going to help things? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2006, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754 "2006-03-31T20:53:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/21 "2006-03-31T22:48:48Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > You don’t think a country like Iran needs to develop appropriate miltary technology to defend itself from possible attack? Even when the largest miltary power in the world is openly speculated to be considering an invasion? I suppose they should be nervous of [ink stains](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3358685.stm) after the Bam quake. Remember the one where Tehran said no to US help? Posers. > [@](#): > > Aid workers from the US have joined the effort to help the survivors in the first official representation by Americans since Washington cut ties with Iran after the 1979 revolution. > > And the US Treasury has announced that banking restrictions on Iran are being eased for 90 days to speed the flow of humanitarian relief. > > General licenses that would permit US firms and individuals to transfer funds to Iran will be approved under the temporary relaxation. > > Currently it is illegal to transfer funds to Iran because of US sanctions on Tehran, dating back to 1979. Looks like we were horning in and trying to take over and kill all them brown people. After all, everything we do is to oppress and kill the furriners. Of course, that was in the past. We must look to what the US is doing today to [annhililate Iranians](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12088339/). > [@Bush](#): > > Amid disaster, Bush overlooks nuclear conflict > President Bush offered assistance despite the major differences the U.S. has with Tehran over its nuclear program. > > “We, obviously, have our differences with the Iranian government, but we do care about the suffering of Iranian people,” Bush said at a news conference with the leaders of Mexico and Canada. . How is this not proof that Bush wants to kill Iranians? His actions are speaking louder than his words. Oh, wait. There’s no action other than diplomatic talks. Never mind. Let’s see, can we find any evidence that the American military has done anything to show aggression towards Iran? Based on the above linked article, [yes they have.](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12088339/). At least to people that live in their own fantasy world. > [@](#): > > \*\*The U.S. military provided aid to the residents of Bam after the south Iranian city was devastated by an earthquake in 2003 that killed 26,000. \*\* Washington and Tehran have no diplomatic relations and are currently at loggerheads over U.S. claims that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons — a charge Iran denies. . So we did have military in Iran recently. Where is the uproar?!? And for God’s sake it was while Bush was President!!! Why hasn’t the world melted down yet? We all know he’s a warmongerer and hell-bent on destroying every country on the face of the Earth. Couple that with the fact he’s pure eeeevvvillll and have to ask. Why can’t I get a Persian rug for $4.00? Why am I not hauling ot home on 39 cent per gallon gas? Everyone knows Halliburton is bent on world domination for oil, and Iran has quite a bit of it. _We’ve already had our military in Iran and we didn’t bomb one government building!_ This is an outrage. As an American I expect swift and efficient obliteration of all other cultures. I am disappointed. We’ve allowed this country to go since 1979 with no major attack, and I’m tired of it. If we’re going to be stigmatized with the Impirialistic tag, then I want to see some fireworks on the evening news. Let’s get some entertainment for our buck. Less money for aid, and more for bombs! [sub]That’s tongue-in-cheek. Kinda[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/22 "2006-03-31T23:29:59Z")
I have stealth missles too . I just launched 10 and they worked real good. You didn’t see them ? That’s because there stealth . Yeah. That’s why . I would like proof before we nuke them . ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/23 "2006-03-31T23:31:01Z")
I wouldn’t like to nuke them even if we have iron clad proof. YMMV obviously. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/24 "2006-03-31T23:34:48Z")
O.K. it was a slight exaggeration 😉 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/25 "2006-03-31T23:36:52Z")
lol. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/26 "2006-03-31T23:54:41Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, reality tends to be a brake even on these stupid bastards in the Administration. 😛 Yeah, but Iran may be thinking further down the line. I’d have to imagine that Iran’s take on what happened in Iraq is “they had no weapons and tried to prove they had no weapons, and it didn’t work at all. So we’d better get everything we can.” ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/27 "2006-04-01T00:22:14Z")
We’ve got a STEALTH missle. Yeah. That’s why you couldn’t see our super secret test. Yeah. That’s the ticket. And if you mess with us, we might have to get STEALTH on your ass. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/28 "2006-04-01T00:45:14Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > No, I don’t to be honest. The only reason we are speculating about an invasion (and I think thats a bit of an overstatement to be honest as I have serious doubts we COULD invade Iran at this time…let alone that we actually want too) is due to Iran’s own actions with reguard to dancing on the abyss of going nuclear. Actually, threats against Iran predated the current nuclear issue. > [@](#): > > Take that away and Iran has no need to fear ANY kind of military or even economic repurcussions with reguards to either the US or anyone else. Ahem… Even without the USA, with neighbors as stables as Irak and Afghanistan, or even Pakistan, it seems to me that Iran certainly needs a military. They had some use for it back then. They didn’t send the police to fight Irak. > [@](#): > > My own point though is that I have serious doubts that Iran, with only homegrown technology, could produce a stealth missile. Hell, I’m unsure if they could produce an accurate multiple warhead missile. I’ve no knowledge about military technologies, so I wouldn’t know if having develloped this one in particular is likely or not, but Iran isn’t known as a technologically backward country. It isn’t exactly a shithole. ---
**Author:** ![Antonius\_Block](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Antonius\_Block](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antonius_Block)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/29 "2006-04-01T01:19:38Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > The Iranians probably noticed this story, [US to Test 700-ton Explosive](http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,92910,00.html), and decided they needed to do a little saber rattling too. I realize that the “_Adjective + Noun_” codenames for tests are probably computer-generated, but did **nobody** in the Pentagon consider that calling a “mushroom-cloud”-type bomb test “ **Divine Strake** ” perhaps involved a poor choice of adjective, given the current state of religious tension in the world? I suppose it could have been “Divine Crusade”, which would have been _marginally_ worse, but still… :dubious: [I know \*kamikaze\* meant “divine wind”, but I don’t think the WW2-era Japanese military should be used as a naming template.] ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/30 "2006-04-01T01:19:51Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’ve no knowledge about military technologies, so I wouldn’t know if having develloped this one in particular is likely or not, but Iran isn’t known as a technologically backward country. It isn’t exactly a shithole. Stealth (that actually works) isn’t exactly the easiest technology either. Let me ask you something…does France have a stealth missile? How about the UK? Russia (or the old Soviet Union)? The EU? Hell, does AMERICA have a stealth missile for that matter? Afaik only the US has stealth (again, that works) capable aircraft. Now, maybe thats because only the US has felt the need…or maybe its because its very technologically challenging to do. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/31 "2006-04-01T01:59:43Z")
> [@Antonius Block](#): > > I realize that the “_Adjective + Noun_” codenames for tests are probably computer-generated, but did **nobody** in the Pentagon consider that calling a “mushroom-cloud”-type bomb test “ **Divine Strake** ” perhaps involved a poor choice of adjective, given the current state of religious tension in the world? [Dork]On NPR tonight they dicussed that. Certain parts of the military have different two letter callnames for their programs. The department which made this had the “Di-” callname.[/dork] ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/32 "2006-04-01T02:05:20Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > They didn’t send the police to fight Irak. No, that was the military they sent. Or civilians. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/33 "2006-04-01T02:08:48Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Stealth (that actually works) isn’t exactly the easiest technology either. Let me ask you something…does France have a stealth missile? Yes, Virginia, France has a stealth cruise missile, designed to penetrate enemy defenses and deploy submunitions to tear up airstrips. Not exactly shiny-and-new, either. > [@xtisme](#): > > Hell, does AMERICA have a stealth missile for that matter? You’re kidding, right? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/34 "2006-04-01T02:15:19Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Yes, Virginia, France has a stealth cruise missile, designed to penetrate enemy defenses and deploy submunitions to tear up airstrips. Not exactly shiny-and-new, either. A STEALTH cruise missile? Do you have a cite for that? No need to be nasty btw…I didn’t know that. > [@Larry Mudd](#): > > You’re kidding, right? Um…no. Again, do you have a cite that other countries have stealth technology air craft? I was unaware that any country but the US bothered with it…or poured in the amounts of money necessary to do it so that it works. If its a dime a dozen technology then obviously I’d be wrong about Iran being able to bring it off. -XT ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/35 "2006-04-01T02:39:58Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > We’ve got a STEALTH missle. Yeah. That’s why you couldn’t see our super secret test. This is what sent off the alarms on my bullshit meter. You’re in charge of a country that has a majority population that wants to live the life that they see the West living. Not the consumerist part of it (though I’d make a wager that’s really a big part), but the hope of being free of Tehran’s theocratic dominance of day-to-day life of the average Iranian. Many on these boards like to deplore America for forcing a fundamentalist agenda on resisting citizens. Taken in perspective, that hysteria is proven false day after day. Our resisting citizens are allowed to openly protest against Washington, and vote for representatives that openly (gasp!) disagree with that tack. Oh, and they’re allowed to say they hate God with no punishment of the parochial ruling class. Hell, if the Patriot Act were as bad as I’ve seen stated here, I’d be in the majority as many would be in prison for what they say about the current government. Funny how many that say America is so bad are the first to defend Iran’s weapons program. They have a right to nuclear weapons? Maybe. But so do Indonesia, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba and Mexico. Nothing to worry about with those countries. They seem like the kind of folks that would use nuclear weapons in a peaceful manner. No reason to think they have any problem with America. Oh, wait. Chavez is all but calling for a pre-emptive war on America.(While relying on US monetary investment.) Fox is actively helping his constituents come to the US illegally. (The… wait. I need to prepare myself for this. The Mexicans don’t want the Mexicans.) Castro is such a great leader that his constituents literally float in driftwood to get to the US. Here’s proof that the Iranian ruling psychos need to be taken out to save the Iranians that for the most part don’t hate America. (And everyone else that lives in a free country. I’ll include France just because I’m in a good mood.) 🙂 They came up with, and successfully tested a _ **STEALTH** _ missle. Then told everyone about it. Pretty stealthy, I’ll grant them that. The missles don’t seem to be the only stealth coming from Tehran, based on the fact so many beleive this shit. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/36 "2006-04-01T02:40:32Z")
I did find [this](http://excaliburfilms.com/pornucopia/french_stealth.htm) French Stealth Bomber recently bought by the Brits… 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/37 "2006-04-01T02:42:57Z")
Appearently stealth (or low observable) technology in missiles is [easier](http://www.lowobservable.com/missiles.htm) than I thought. So I was probably wrong…it seems the Iranians COULD have developed this easily enough (or bought it from someone for that matter and then just adapted it). -XT ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/38 "2006-04-01T02:45:29Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Here’s proof that the Iranian ruling psychos need to be taken out to save the Iranians that for the most part don’t hate America. Would they greet us with flowers like the Iraqis? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/39 "2006-04-01T02:48:47Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Would they greet us with flowers like the Iraqis? Is THAT what they call those explody things?? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754/40 "2006-04-01T02:54:05Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Here’s proof that the Iranian ruling psychos need to be taken out to save the Iranians… This rather pulls the tongue out of your cheek (see post 21). Do you have any inkling of when Bush’ll schedule the ‘preventative’ strikes? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-this-is-going-to-help-things/350754.md?page=3)