# Iran -- you better watch yourself! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776 "2017-02-01T21:45:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/61 "2017-02-02T04:29:20Z")
[Trump [del]tweets[/del] spews](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/826990079738540033) > [@](#): > > Iran is rapidly taking over more and more of Iraq even after the U.S. has squandered three trillion dollars there. Obvious long ago! And yet it’s the first he’s mentioned it. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/62 "2017-02-02T04:30:25Z")
Iran practices radical Islam jihad and needs to be kept from a nuke. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/63 "2017-02-02T04:32:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Iran practices radical Islam jihad and needs to be kept from a nuke. Is that how Iran got to Carnegie Hall? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/64 "2017-02-02T04:35:25Z")
Whose turn is it to explain the Sunni/Shi’a divide to **DerekMichaels00** this time? I lost my copy of the roster. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/65 "2017-02-02T04:36:20Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Iran practices radical Islam jihad and **needs to be kept from a nuke.** Which is what the deal accomplished. You may crawl out from under your bed now. And right now, Trump is the greater danger with nukes. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/66 "2017-02-02T04:53:39Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Obama releasing all of that money to Iran and that foolish nuke deal is like the equivalent of sending cash and giving arms to Germany in 1938. No, the nation that’s the equivalent of 1938 Germany is the US. At this point, pretty much every nation on earth should be given nuclear weapons, and point them at the US. America is the enemy of everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/67 "2017-02-02T04:57:34Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Whose turn is it to explain the Sunni/Shi’a divide to **DerekMichaels00** this time? I lost my copy of the roster. Yours. On the basis you were the one who failed to explain it to him adequately last time. Totally your fault. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/68 "2017-02-02T05:17:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, the nation that’s the equivalent of 1938 Germany is the US. > > At this point, pretty much every nation on earth should be given nuclear weapons, and point them at the US. America is the enemy of everyone. Sorry. Gave it the ol’ college try, but twelve years is about all I can take. Best of luck. **plonk** ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/69 "2017-02-02T05:26:10Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > What you are seeing is the exact opposite of the naive, appeasing and cowardly stance taken by the previous disgraceful and incompetent admin. > > There is to be no more sucking up to primitive terrorist nations, and I’d love to see Iran try and take any US servicemen captive again. Just call Obama a subhuman spear-chucker already. Tell us how you want that half-breed strung up, and all that stuff. Get it out. He’s gone now, and he can’t hurt you. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/70 "2017-02-02T05:45:17Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Yours. On the basis you were the one who failed to explain it to him adequately last time. Totally your fault. Grrrr. Okay. :rolleyes: See, **DerekMichaels00** , although Iran and ISIS/al-Qaeda jihadi types both self-identify as Muslim, they don’t actually get along very well, any more than Protestants and Catholics did during the Troubles in Northern Ireland, even though they both self-identified as Christian. In fact, due to centuries-old theological disputes and more recent geopolitical issues, the radical-Sunni jihadis do not like the mostly-Shi’a Iranians one little bit. As a [report from Freedom House on the radical Wahhabi/Salafist Sunni curriculum of Saudi Arabia stated](https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/CurriculumOfIntolerance.pdf), > [@](#): > > The material found in these books reveals that the Saudi government continues to propagate an ideology of hate toward the “unbeliever,” which includes Christians, Jews, Shiites, Sufis, Sunni Muslims who do not follow Wahhabi doctrine, Hindus, atheists and others. Now, Iran definitely has its own geopolitical aims for expanding its influence in the region, and is involved in a lot of violence in pursuit of its aims. But it is emphatically not part of the Salafi-Sunni movement of “radical Islamist jihad”. In fact, Iran is a declared _target_ of Sunni jihadis due to its non-Sunni population and its constant clashes with the jihadi groups in order to expand its own influence. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/71 "2017-02-02T05:59:44Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > There is nothing to explain. > > Nobody knows what specific events will occur in the future yet, but I do know that the response will not be Obamian, which is to **say weak and do nothing** , while rewarding the enemy. My emphasis. Isn’t this what Rump did? Say weak and do nothing? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/72 "2017-02-02T06:13:28Z")
Okay, **Blinkyandpinky** , let’s try this out: “I’M PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE!” And just like you, I don’t have the slightest idea what that means. See how that works? Dopers: didn’t some other Trump staffer recently “put on notice” some European country? I think it was a woman. Anyone remember? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/73 "2017-02-02T06:49:25Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Grrrr. Okay. :rolleyes: > > See, **DerekMichaels00** , although Iran and ISIS/al-Qaeda jihadi types both self-identify as Muslim, they don’t actually get along very well, any more than Protestants and Catholics did during the Troubles in Northern Ireland, even though they both self-identified as Christian. > > In fact, due to centuries-old theological disputes and more recent geopolitical issues, the radical-Sunni jihadis do not like the mostly-Shi’a Iranians one little bit. As a [report from Freedom House on the radical Wahhabi/Salafist Sunni curriculum of Saudi Arabia stated](https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/CurriculumOfIntolerance.pdf), > Now, Iran definitely has its own geopolitical aims for expanding its influence in the region, and is involved in a lot of violence in pursuit of its aims. But it is emphatically not part of the Salafi-Sunni movement of “radical Islamist jihad”. In fact, Iran is a declared _target_ of Sunni jihadis due to its non-Sunni population and its constant clashes with the jihadi groups in order to expand its own influence. You might want to use smaller words for Derek (and our newer arrival Blinky). ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/74 "2017-02-02T09:45:19Z")
This move looks like the diplomatic equivalent of Dad yelling “I’m turning this car around!” I imagine that if/when Iran does anything that even remotely annoys Trump American missiles will start flying into Tehran and Trump will say “I told you so.” If the Iranians really wanted to protect themselves they’d get some business going with The Donald. Trump Towers Tehran? Much better protection than a nuke! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/75 "2017-02-02T10:20:41Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I’m… confused by this thread. You’re… upset, because the president has taken a hard stance against Iran who, by the way, just test fired a ballistic missile and has repeatedly vowed to destroy/nuke Israel and the US? > > Well, I suppose Trump could have bent over and gifted them a few hundred million. I’m sure you’d love that 🙂 We’re mocking Flynn on his silly “on notice” statement. No big deal. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/76 "2017-02-02T14:28:29Z")
Serious question: was there some sort of agreement between Iran and the US that Iran would not test any missiles? > [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Yes, I definitely do think that “you’re on notice!” which was said today is a strong and good action. It’s only the beginning, but the necessary warning was given, so now that’s out of the way. > > The near future will probably prove which one of us is correct. Warning of what, specifically? Also, if Iran continues to test missiles, this clearly was not in fact a “strong and good action”, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/77 "2017-02-02T14:38:01Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Obama releasing all of that money to Iran . oh how criminal to not illegally sieze what was the Iranian money anyway. The Yosemite Sam as Pirate trantrum ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/78 "2017-02-02T14:47:51Z")
Interesting. The missile test was apparently sanctioned under a UN Resolution, so apparently the UN is good for something in the Trump White House… I was also taken by this note in the CNN report: [http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/michael-flynn-condemns-iran-actions/](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/michael-flynn-condemns-iran-actions/) > [@](#): > > Flynn’s warning comes as forces from the US, British, French and Australian navies engage in exercises in the Persian Gulf. > A total of 17 warships from the four nations are participating in the exercises, named Unified Trident, led by the UK’s amphibious assault ship HMS Ocean, according to a US Navy press release. Hope their course isn’t close to the Tonkin Gulf… Thrill a minute with the Donald. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/79 "2017-02-02T20:44:29Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Interesting. The missile test was apparently sanctioned under a UN Resolution, so apparently the UN is good for something in the Trump White House… > > I was also taken by this note in the CNN report: [http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/michael-flynn-condemns-iran-actions/](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/michael-flynn-condemns-iran-actions/) > > Hope their course isn’t close to the Tonkin Gulf… > > Thrill a minute with the Donald. O ml 5illl.jm bxphmy.jz ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iran-you-better-watch-yourself/778776/80 "2017-02-02T21:30:05Z")
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