# Iranian-American scholar Haleh Esfandiari arrested for spying in Iran **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 13, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968 "2007-05-13T23:30:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/1 "2007-05-13T23:30:42Z")
Story [here.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/13/AR2007051300619.html?hpid=moreheadlines) > [@](#): > > Haleh Esfandiari’s arrest, part of a recent spate of crackdowns against Iranian activists, appears to reflect President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad government’s growing fear that the United States is using pro-democracy advocates to promote regime change, analysts say. > > Esfandiari, director of the Middle East Program at the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars in Washington, went to Iran on a personal visit to see her ailing mother last year. She had been prohibited from leaving for four months, then was sent Tuesday to Iran’s notorious Evin prison after arriving at the Intelligence Ministry for questioning, the institute said. Issues for debate: 1. Is there really enough anti-government activity in Iran right now that the government should be this worried? 2. There’s no chance, is there, that Esfandiari actually **was** spying for the U.S. or for Israel, trying to foment revolution in Iran, or any of that? 3. If the answers to 1 and 2 are no, then why did the Iranians do this? Are they **trying** to provoke a war?! 4. What will the U.S. government do about this, since Esfandiari is an American citizen? (OTOH, why didn’t the government take action during the four months she was prevented from leaving Iran?) 5. How (if at all) will the international community react? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2007, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/2 "2007-05-14T00:08:21Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Story [here.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/13/AR2007051300619.html?hpid=moreheadlines) Issues for debate: 1. Is there really enough anti-government activity in Iran right now that the government should be this worried? 2. There’s no chance, is there, that Esfandiari actually **was** spying for the U.S. or for Israel, trying to foment revolution in Iran, or any of that? 3. If the answers to 1 and 2 are no, then why did the Iranians do this? Are they **trying** to provoke a war?! 4. What will the U.S. government do about this, since Esfandiari is an American citizen? (OTOH, why didn’t the government take action during the four months she was prevented from leaving Iran?) 5. How (if at all) will the international community react? [/QUOTE] [ol] [li]Maybe. The degree of support that religious hardliners once had, has badly eroded.[/li][li]Maybe. Who can say? It **has** happened.[/li][li]They could believe they are right. Or, they could be trying to create paranoia, fear & loathing of the West among their own people.[/li][li]The US Government likely lodged a protest during the 4 months, & may ask for support in getting her out. Or our President may be having trouble getting his eyes to focus again, & not care.[/li][li]The World Community will blame us. Which they _always do_, right or wrong, so it’s hard to care anymore.[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2007, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/3 "2007-05-14T00:37:38Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] Maybe. Who can say? It **has** happened. [/QUOTE] If I were recruiting spies for CIA or Mossad, I would want somebody a bit more anonymous. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2007, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/4 "2007-05-14T12:38:11Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] If I were recruiting spies for CIA or Mossad, I would want somebody a bit more anonymous. [/QUOTE] Maybe, but not always - sometimes you want a beacon It is pretty much standard for a ‘Cultural Attache’ of any Embassy to be a spook In this case I’m not sure, but she sure as heck would have reported on what she had seen - even if she did not know that she was being debriefed. From their point of view she is Iranian - they will probably hang her like the poor sod from The Observer (a UK Sunday) It is a bit daft as known ‘telephone lines’ are quite useful From memory there are about 500,000 Iranians in the USA, doing very well, I rather wonder how many would like to ‘return’. My guess is very few. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2007, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/5 "2007-05-14T12:52:46Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] [li]The World Community will blame us. Which they _always do_, right or wrong, so it’s hard to care anymore.[/li][/QUOTE] Oh bull. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2007, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/6 "2007-05-14T13:20:20Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] From their point of view she is Iranian - they will probably hang her like the poor sod from The Observer (a UK Sunday) [/QUOTE] That was Iraq and Saddam. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2007, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/7 "2007-05-14T13:57:32Z")
[QUOTE=tagos] That was Iraq and Saddam. [/QUOTE] I stand corrected - thanks. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2007, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/8 "2007-05-14T14:10:42Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] I stand corrected - thanks. [/QUOTE] They change one damn letter and try and pretend they are an entirely different country. Let’s bomb them anyway. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2007, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/9 "2007-05-22T16:21:54Z")
Update: Esfandiari [has been charged with “seeking to topple the ruling Islamic establishment.”](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/21/AR2007052100774.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/10 "2007-05-30T03:30:04Z")
Update: There are now **three** Iranian-Americans charged with espionage and Condi Rice [calls the charges “a perversion of the rule of law.”](http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070529/pl_nm/iran_usa_dc_1) When the pot calls the kettle black, the pot is not necessarily wrong. ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/11 "2007-05-30T07:55:59Z")
I think some people in the Iranian government are trying to sabotage any possibility of improved relations with the “Great Satan”. Kidnapping and imprisoning the innocent citizens of another country is a good way to start a war. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/12 "2007-05-30T15:38:09Z")
[QUOTE=mks57] I think some people in the Iranian government are trying to sabotage any possibility of improved relations with the “Great Satan”. Kidnapping and imprisoning the innocent citizens of another country is a good way to start a war. [/QUOTE] And for our part, Bush [has authorized the CIA to try to destabilize Iran’s government.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=422040) But, given that level of hostility and suspicion on both sides, why, I wonder, have the two countries [started direct talks for the first time in 27 years?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=422795) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/13 "2007-05-31T02:06:22Z")
It’s always extremely hard to interpret actions like this from the outside. There are so many potential reasons for this action. For example: - The Iranian government could be cracking down to create a chilling effect and scare people away from anti-government activities. For those purposes, it hardly matters if the person arrested is guilty or not. - There could be pressure from hardliners inside the Iranian government to institute a brutal crackdown, and this is actually the ‘compromise’ action, meant to placate tha hardliners. - The person could actually be a spy. The U.S. certainly has spies of this sort in Iran - at least, if it’s even remotely competent it does. It should have. But given that this is the Bush administration, I wouldn’t take competence as a given. - This could be a tit-for-tat, just as the plucking of those British sailors was a tit-for-tat for the detention of Iranian Quds-force operatives in Iraq. - It could be part of a bigger geopolitical came to stir anti-American sentiment. Ill-advised perhaps, but the Iranian leadership is not exactly composed of rocket scientists. - It could be an attempt to rally the Iranian people - if they can be truly convinced that the person is an American spy, it might build support for the Iranian government. I imagine there are dozens of other possibilities. As for why the U.S. and Iran are talking now, who knows? I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes than we know about. Maybe the U.S. has got some dirt on Iran and is using it as leverage, or vice versa. The intelligence world is tough to get a handle on in the best of times. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/14 "2007-05-31T18:54:24Z")
From [_The Nation:_](http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070618/abrishami) > [@](#): > > It is hard to imagine how Esfandiari could possibly be a national security threat. Through the Wilson Center, she worked tirelessly to create a balanced and impartial space for communication between American and Iranian intellectuals. Tajbakhsh had returned to Iran in 2001, leaving behind a distinguished teaching career at the New School in New York City. In Tehran he not only worked on government urban planning projects but also as a professor and consultant to the Open Society Institute. Shakeri was a peace activist. None of them had to travel to Iran. They chose to, because they were invested in the future of the country of their birth. > > One may offer that there is nothing new about this particular moment. After all, for twenty-seven years the Iranian regime has justified attacks on its opponents by linking them to the West. But when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced a $75 million appropriation to support Iranian civil society in February 2006, she made the regime’s job far easier. Suddenly, everyone became a potential spy or recipient of US funds. > > The irony is that it is unlikely that any of the $75 million has actually entered Iran. Most has gone to Persian-language broadcasting based in the States, and a fraction has gone to US-based NGOs. It certainly did not go to the three arrested these past weeks. The Wilson Center received no State Department money, nor was it part of any “Zionist conspiracy,” as Iranian newspapers imply. And Tajbakhsh’s activities with OSI were thoroughly transparent and given an official Iranian government permit. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/15 "2007-05-31T21:38:35Z")
Hmmm…the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has been described as “a State within a State”. Perhaps \*they \* are the ones, **solely** , behind this. Wreck communications & “poisoned wells” (sic) just before major talks, Bristish sailors siezed, border incidents…all well within the IRG’s capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-american-scholar-haleh-esfandiari-arrested-for-spying-in-iran/403968/16 "2007-08-21T16:16:29Z")
Update: [Esfandiari has been released on bail.](http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/21/africa/ME-GEN-Iran-Detained-American.php) It’s not clear why, or whether she will be allowed to leave Iran.