# Iranian factory makes U.S. and Israeli flags for the specific purpose of being burned **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 31, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269 "2020-01-31T01:03:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/1 "2020-01-31T01:03:45Z")
Where there is demand, there shall be supply to meet it. > **[Iranian factory makes U.S. and Israeli flags to burn](https://www.yahoo.com/news/iranian-factory-makes-u-israeli-020204211.html)** > > Business is booming at Iran's largest flag factory which makes U.S., British and Israeli flags for Iranian protesters to burn. The factory produces about 2,000 U.S. and Israeli flags a month in its busiest periods, and more than 1.5 million square... ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/2 "2020-01-31T01:09:12Z")
\ Capitalism, baby! Yeah\ ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/3 "2020-01-31T04:10:10Z")
Also freedom of speech? From the OP’s link: > [@](#): > > Ghasem Ghanjani, who owns the Diba Parcham flag factory, said: “We have no problem with the American and British people. We have (a) problem with their governors. We have (a) problem with their presidents, with the wrong policy they have.” > > “The people of America and Israel know that we have no problem with them. If people burn the flags of these countries at different rallies, it is only to show their protest.” Frankly, that sounds like a pretty civilized attitude to me. I’m generally against flag-burning for environmental reasons, but if the intended message is _“I reject and condemn your government’s actions although I have nothing against you and your fellow-citizens personally”_, that seems reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/4 "2020-01-31T15:35:48Z")
Are you sure Kim? Reasonable, civilized flag burners… Sounds like an oxymoron to me. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/5 "2020-01-31T15:51:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I’m generally against flag-burning for environmental reasons …which is why it makes sense (to me) to only prosecute flag-burners for violating open-burning statutes and fouling the air. This would disappoint the shriekers on both sides. Commit a stupid petty act, get a petty fine in return. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/6 "2020-01-31T15:57:23Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > …I’m generally against flag-burning for environmental reasons… All the more reason for a commercial operation to make flags specifically for the niche burning market, where durability is unimportant, and the flag can be made of a material that minimizes toxicity and pollution when burned. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/7 "2020-01-31T15:59:09Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > Reasonable, civilized flag burners… > > Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Your contention is that flag-burning is the last refuge of a scoundrel? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/8 "2020-01-31T16:50:14Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > Reasonable, civilized flag burners… > Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Because civilized people know that they should revere pieces of cloth, like cave-men worshiping a mammoth skull? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/9 "2020-01-31T16:52:06Z")
I hear they cook Jewish food over there just so they can throw it in the trash. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/10 "2020-01-31T16:58:02Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Because civilized people know that they should revere pieces of cloth, like cave-men worshiping a mammoth skull? This runs both ways. Obviously, those burning flags place a high value on their meaning, unless they’re just trolling for a response. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/11 "2020-01-31T18:00:58Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Because civilized people know that they should revere pieces of cloth, like cave-men worshiping a mammoth skull? What an idiotic comparison! No, I don’t revere a piece of cloth you maroon. I revere the ideals for which it stands; democracy, rights, liberty, opportunity and equality. From an all-American sport, one of the greatest plays in baseball… [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/hbr1hNp-nI4/maxresdefault.jpg "Rick Monday saves American flag from protesters in 1976") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbr1hNp-nI4) Now, that was civilized. Monday said initially he wanted to bowl them over.😃 ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/12 "2020-01-31T18:08:58Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > What an idiotic comparison! > No, I don’t revere a piece of cloth you maroon. I revere the ideals for which it stands; democracy, rights, liberty, opportunity and equality. > From an all-American sport, one of the greatest plays in baseball… > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbr1hNp-nI4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbr1hNp-nI4) > Now, that was civilized. Monday said initially he wanted to bowl them over.😃 Clearly it does not stand for those ideals for everyone. It’s not unfair to say that for a good number of people around the world, including here in the USA, it strands for oppression. In their view burning it may be entirely appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/13 "2020-01-31T18:13:27Z")
Doesn’t make it civilized! ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/14 "2020-01-31T18:16:15Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > Doesn’t make it civilized! How so? It’s a peaceful protest and vastly more civilized than, say, ramming your car through a crowd at a rally you don’t agree with killing an innocent girl. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/15 "2020-01-31T18:18:34Z")
Another stupid comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/16 "2020-01-31T18:30:37Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > Another stupid comparison. You reeeeally love you some cloth, don’cha? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/17 "2020-01-31T18:31:15Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > Another stupid comparison. What’s a smart one? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/18 "2020-01-31T18:38:59Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > No, I don’t revere a piece of cloth you maroon. I revere the ideals for which it stands; democracy, rights, liberty, opportunity and equality. A flag represents a nation. If one believes that a nation _should_ embrace those ideals, but at present is doing a terrible job of it, it’s pretty straightforward to understand the symbolism of burning the flag. One could argue that it’s symbolism that’s only appropriate if your nation has gone so far off the rails that you feel desperation, but that’s a subjective matter. But a perspective that burning a flag is _never_ acceptable can be interpreted as saying that remaining nominally patriotic must always outweigh being pro- the fundamental ideals that you list. And, of course, that’s why the expression _patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel_ echoes throughout history. You disagree with your government’s policy of war, persecution, murder? Traitor! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/19 "2020-01-31T19:17:48Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > What’s a smart one? [Cartoons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo)? [Books](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses)? [Criticism of the Supreme Leader](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Iran)? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269/20 "2020-01-31T19:19:18Z")
Riemann- Spin all you want. Echo all you want (you don’t like it that your “expression” got ignored the first time around). I saw it. Burn all the American flags you want, at this moment in history, it is not illegal. I believe/think/feel that burning a country’s flag, whether you’re an American, Iranian, etc., is not an act of a reasonable, civilized, peaceful person. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iranian-factory-makes-u-s-and-israeli-flags-for-the-specific-purpose-of-being-burned/847269.md?page=2)