# Iran's Ahmadinejad: "Holocaust a myth!" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621 "2005-12-14T19:37:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2005, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/21 "2005-12-18T01:56:53Z")
> [@bizzwire](#): > > The Jews shot his bodyguard? Yes, we did. I was proud to do my part. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2005, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/22 "2005-12-18T13:20:59Z")
This is, after all, a guy who believes that the angel Gabriel dictated to the Koran to Mohammed… and that heaven is place full of virgins. He’d know about myths, you think? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/23 "2005-12-18T14:24:53Z")
> [@furt](#): > > When it’s the crazy man ranting on the streetcorner with a gun, the cops subdue him one way or the other. When it’s the crazy man ranting on the streetcorner with nuclear warheads, it’s a tad dicier. If Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is crazy then so is a good deal of Iranian society. That is what worries me. It was socially acceptable to utter those anti-Jew remarks within Iran. In fact, after reading **Gum’s** link, it appears to me that those remarks were politically inspired to make common cause with the rebellious Sunnis of the province of Baluchestan. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/24 "2005-12-18T20:19:06Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Okay, folks, call off the hounds. > > Apparently, we’ve [misunderstood](http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/16/iran.israel/index.html) his remarks. > > Great, now Iran has a Pat Robertson. FWIW, when I first read his comment in context, it did not sound like he was using the word “myth” in a “it didn’t happen” Holocaust denier sort of way, as he goes on in his next sentence to say something about it being Europe’s problem and that Europe should pay for its problems, not the Middle East. So it seems clear to me that he wasn’t saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. I’m not saying the guy ain’t a dick, nor that his rhetoric wasn’t deliberately inflammatory; I just don’t think there is any Holocaust denial in what he was saying. ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2005, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/25 "2005-12-18T23:48:50Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Many commentators seem to think he doesn’t. Actually, several apparently think he still acts like he wasn’t president and doesn’t seem to have a clue about what the word “diplomacy” means. Diplomacy is best defined as two nations fucking eachother over. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/26 "2005-12-19T00:07:18Z")
> [@fushj00mang](#): > > Diplomacy is best defined as two nations fucking eachother over. Maybe…But politely… ---
**Author:** ![Rachm\_Qoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Rachm\_Qoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachm_Qoch)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/27 "2005-12-19T01:42:25Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > Jesus fuck! What is up with the world? Does he _want_ a war with Israel? And with the US sitting in the goddamned middle of the two in Iraq, we’re sure to get dragged in. Don’t be silly. Don’t you trust the Israelis when they say they have no plans for [attacking Iran in March 2006](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html)? Certainly not after such a [quiet and massive behind-the-scenes military buildup](http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO505A.html). :smack: ---
**Author:** ![bubba\_jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@bubba\_jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bubba_jr)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/28 "2005-12-19T02:28:14Z")
I think the guy, I’m not even going to try and spell it, is a whack job, but I think the jist of what he was saying, wasn’t so much that the hollocaust didn’t occur, I think that was just a small side note. From what I got out of the first story I read, not the ones of outrage, but the first ones that came out was that, **You** the Europeans killed all those jews, so why did your collective western guilty conscience give them **OUR** land. Like the nut job said, give them alaska or something for their jewish state, why did you stick them in the middle east? Its like Little Adolph stealing Little Herschel’s lunch money and the teacher telling Herschel that to make up for it he can take Abduls lunch money, not too fair to Abdul. I think that is the main point _unspellable name_ was making and thats been lost in the outrage. Honestly I don’t care one way or the other, let them be crazy over there, I’m more concerned with all the nut jobs over here. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/29 "2005-12-19T03:31:45Z")
> [@](#): > > You the Europeans killed all those jews, so why did your collective western guilty conscience give them OUR land. Well, that’s obviously part of the question in a nutshell: who owned that land? the fact is that the Jews had bought most of the land, developed it, worked it, and then declared statehood. The notion that the land somehow belonged to Iran is idiotic. The notion that the land belonged to persons who were living there but didn’t own it and hadn’t been farming or developing it… well, that’s a question that has several different sides to it. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/30 "2005-12-19T03:39:26Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > The notion that the land belonged to persons who were living there but didn’t own it and hadn’t been farming or developing it. They had been farming it… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/31 "2005-12-19T03:43:33Z")
I would be happy to donate parts of Alaska for a Palestinian homeland. ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/32 "2005-12-19T04:30:16Z")
> [@Rachm Qoch](#): > > Don’t be silly. Don’t you trust the Israelis when they say they have no plans for attacking Iran in March 2006? Certainly not after such a quiet and massive behind-the-scenes military buildup. :smack: So, the new puppet/mouthpiece for the Mad Mullah’s of Iran starts rattling his sabre, AFTER he has stepped up efforts to turn said sabre into a sabre which yields explosions in the kilo and megaton ranges, and you’re suprised that Israel has begun to make plans? Hell, the Pentagon has plans for the invasion of Georgia (the one in the Eastern Hemisphere, not the other.) That’s what a General Staff does, it makes warplans. So Sharon gave his staff specific instructions on what plans to make. Plans are just that, plans, until the first boot/tanktread/aircraft crosses the border. ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/33 "2005-12-19T13:54:21Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I would be happy to donate parts of Alaska for a Palestinian homeland. My friend had a good idea: Greece and Turkey have been arguing over Cyprus for decades. He suggested that all the Greeks go back to Greece, all the Turks go back to Turkey, and the Palestinians get themselves a nice island to call their own. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/34 "2005-12-20T00:21:53Z")
I suspect Israel has had an Iranian war plan since about 8 minutes after it was formed. Plans are just hypotheticals to tweak something to be more advantageous to you should an event occur. The fact the March 2006 subject being focused on is a little more telling, though. I’ve said before that, though not talked about in the press till lately, that the ME war looked like a possible set-up to a war with Iran. Afghanistan and Iraq form a sort of pincer on Iran. If the US were to attack, they’d fight a war on two fronts. Iran has the pool of candidates to build an effective army (assuming most really do hate the West and aren’t just keeping quiet for fear of torture and death), and they have respectable resources to fund the army. Point is, they’d be fighting Israel, with the US on the eastern and western fronts. Two-front war. Hitler couldn’t pull it off, I can’t see Iran faring much better. Now take into account Israel having a pretty formidable army, Iran talking about Israel being wiped off the map, and these psychotic rants basically spitting on the corpses of Holocaust victims. Top that with a helping of US armor they’d have to worry about, I would think Iran would be playing nice until the US leaves Iraq to stir up shit. Maybe it’s some complex plan between Washington and Jerusalem to wage war, but for right now it looks like Israel has been tweaked far enough and may want to take advantage of the current chances with war against Tehran. Whatever the case, it seems to be suicide by request on the part of Assholejihad. (I don’t even give a fuck what his name is anymore.) If anyone cares to take the time (while avoiding a hijack), is there any validity in this view? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/35 "2005-12-20T00:29:48Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > If anyone cares to take the time (while avoiding a hijack), is there any validity in this view? I think Israel runs the danger of a repeat of 1947 if she goes to war. All the other countries may attack her. Although she tends to beat them when they do that, it is no easy thing. Hence striking the Iraqi reactor and nothing else. The USA is to far extended in Afghanistan and Iraq to take on Iran. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/36 "2005-12-20T00:42:13Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Iran has the pool of candidates to build an effective army (assuming most really do hate the West and aren’t just keeping quiet for fear of torture and death), and they have respectable resources to fund the army. In one of the ironies of global politics is that the general population of Iran _likes_ Americans. While the populations of ME countries we have the closest relations with their governments, tend to hate us. ---
**Author:** ![633squadron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/ee59a6/32.png) [@633squadron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/633squadron)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621/37 "2005-12-20T01:42:56Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > I suspect Israel has had an Iranian war plan since about 8 minutes after it was formed. Plans are just hypotheticals to tweak something to be more advantageous to you should an event occur. The fact the March 2006 subject being focused on is a little more telling, though. I’m sure Israel has a plan, but it’s a drastic last-ditch one just in case they have to do _something_. This isn’t like Iraq 1982; commentators have pointed out that the Iranians have bunker-protected everything they needed to. Reports from the ME stress that everyone there except Hamas is pissed off at you-know-who. That includes lots of people within Iran. He’s just a loose cannon, as everyone has pointed out. People may sympathize a bit with his views; I’m sure plenty of hard-line Arabs would _love_ to believe that the Shoach was a myth, and that all Jews are evil. But many more want the whole goddam problem to go away. Iran is not helping… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irans-ahmadinejad-holocaust-a-myth/335621.md?page=1)