# Iraq is launching those weapons of mass destruction it doesn't have at our soldiers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2003, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798 "2003-03-20T13:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/121 "2003-03-21T05:57:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Model-Shipwright \* > **Rest assured that WMD WILL be found. You think because there was no proof issued to the likes of you (dumb asses outside the realm of the national security community) that these WMD could not exist. Do you really expect to be plugged into the information pipeline at such a high level? Do you really think it’s wise to give YOU proof of something (information) that will in turn assist the enemy against us? Do you really think the intelligence community needs to run their findings by you before they protect this country? Are you this delusional?** Maybe they’ll be found, maybe they wont. Time will tell. But if W actually _had_ that information, he’s done himself a disservice by not sharing it with the weapons inspectors, and choosing instead to pass on to them information that was innacurate or fabricated. W would have had a lot less trouble selling the idea to the world if the weapons inspectors came up with a real “smoking gun”. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/122 "2003-03-21T05:58:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Model-Shipwright \* > \*\* > How lucky for you that you live in a country where your government won’t kick down your door and beat you senseless (not much beating BTW) and rape your wife while you watch for making comments against them. You should try living in some of these countries that you love to defend so much and make some of those stupid ass comments. In short, If you hate the people who run this country and disagree with everything that it stands for, why don’t you get the fuck out?! If everything that this country stands for so angers you, then why stay here? Is it because you just want something to bitch at? > > \*\* How luck for you that you are on a message board where the moderators wont kick down your ISP and ban you senseless for making comments like yours above and then watch videos of your ameteur porn. You should try logging on some of those message boards you want to compare us to and make some of those ignorant blanket statements. In short, if you hate the people on this message board then why don’t you get the fuck off? If everything this messageboard stands for so angers you, why stay? Is it just because you want something to bitch at? ---
**Author:** ![ZiggyB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b487fb/32.png) [@ZiggyB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZiggyB)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/123 "2003-03-21T06:34:29Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Libertarian_ > Well, gee, Milo. Maybe the inspectors misunderstood him when he said that. Maybe he was coughing when they thought they heard the word “not”. After all, he’s a nice guy, and there’s no evidence that he has murdered anyone in the past hour. Because of course you’ve been asking for military intervention in Iraq for years now right? Let’s see, you joined this board in 1999, can you show me any posts of yours in 2000 saying the USA needs to invade Iraq to get rid of the dictator? Or did you wait until Bush told you you were supposed to worry about Saddam’s evil deeds? Maybe you should try thinking for yourself instead of letting your government do your thinking for you. As if Iraq was the only country in the world with a repressive government. Where are your demands for the USA to send troops to Sierra Leone, the Congo, Liberia, to bring democracy there? Or maybe bring democracy to the oppressive government of Saudia Arabia? I guess you’ll wait until another Republic president tells you you need to start worrying your pretty little head about it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/124 "2003-03-21T06:51:33Z")
> [@](#): > > But if W actually had that information, he’s done himself a disservice by not sharing it with the weapons inspectors, and choosing instead to pass on to them information that was innacurate or fabricated. > > W would have had a lot less trouble selling the idea to the world if the weapons inspectors came up with a real “smoking gun”. Unless the stuff is hidden so far away from Baghdad, and in a mobile mobile enough state, that there would be no way to get there before it was long gone. And also, it’s important to keep some secrets, so that you really know Saddam HAS disarmed. In other words, let’s say the Bush administration gave the inspectors everything they had. The inspectors find it, and Saddam says, “Okay, you found it all. Now I’m completely disarmed. Now go away.” Now the U.S. has no way of knowing if he really has disarmed, because they don’t know what else he might have. So you have to keep a lot of this stuff secret, so you can test him when he claims he has nothing left. Since he doesn’t know what you know, he can’t claim that it’s all gone unless it really is. Or rather, he can claim it, but you’ll know he’s lying. The other reason is obvious - to protect sources. The missiles strike on the leadership yesterday suggests that the administration had intelligence contacts inside the Iraqi government. If that’s the case, then there’s no way they could release intelligence received from that source without the source being killed and the source of intel dried up. ---
**Author:** ![Model-Shipwright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@Model-Shipwright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Model-Shipwright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/125 "2003-03-21T06:57:47Z")
> [@](#): > > I did live in one of those countries, would that make qualified to say that you are the ignorant one here? or was your comment a stupid one? Which country? and keep in mind that Mexico doesn’t count. > [@](#): > > Maybe they’ll be found, maybe they wont. Time will tell. At this very moment we are making arrangements to secure 2 seperate areas where we know WMD are located. You’ll get your proof. The United States of America is under no obligation to turn this information over to inspectors, and i am certain any reason for not doing so will be brought to light and explained in enough detail after the fact, although not enough detail to asuage the screamers here. Just because everything isn’t laid out for ou in a nice little package doesn’t mean that there are sinister motives behind it, remember that. I stand by my comments. Too often within the walls of these forums a single man is blamed for the entire country’s willingness to go to war to topple a regime. Some of you honestly believe the POTUS actually has this much authority on his own. Care to comment on the Clinton bombing without UN approval during Lewinsky? Care to make the comparison? Care to condon it and then rail against Bush for going the extra mile with the UN in comparison? Why don’t you stop speculating long enough to deal with the facts and cease your blistering insults and blame toward an administration. Yes, every administration can benefit from change, but many of you are posting nothing short of absolute hate a bile toward a president that is undeserving of it. I have seen to often your hate aimed cooly at the administration without a care in the world of the atrocities that take place abroad. It is these atrocities that will directly affect us in the future. In short, you shouldn’t make comments in regards to things you know nothing about. ---
**Author:** ![Model-Shipwright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@Model-Shipwright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Model-Shipwright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/126 "2003-03-21T07:00:51Z")
> [@](#): > > How luck for you that you are on a message board where the moderators wont kick down your ISP and ban you senseless for making comments like yours above and then watch videos of your ameteur porn. You should try logging on some of those message boards you want to compare us to and make some of those ignorant blanket statements. In short, if you hate the people on this message board then why don’t you get the fuck off? If everything this messageboard stands for so angers you, why stay? Is it just because you want something to bitch at? Thank you for making my point. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/127 "2003-03-21T07:02:29Z")
I see, so Saddam has _secret invisible_\* WMDs stashed in the desert and if we never find them then that’s because he hid them really good, and even if the US does know where they are the government’s going to keep it top secret so we don’t jeapordize any intelligence “sources.” Very convenient. You leave effectively no way to prove that Bush was wrong about the WMDs. I’ll say it again, if Goddamn Insane was ever going to use WMDs, now would be the time. Since he isn’t using them, I think it’s only rational to conclude that he doesn’t have any, Bush was wrong, and the whole justification for this invasion is just so much bullshit. I don’t expect the Smirk to ever cop to it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Model-Shipwright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@Model-Shipwright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Model-Shipwright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/128 "2003-03-21T07:09:43Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ll say it again, if Goddamn Insane was ever going to use WMDs, now would be the time. Since he isn’t using them, I think it’s only rational to conclude that he doesn’t have any, Bush was wrong, and the whole justification for this invasion is just so much bullshit. It isn’t rational at all to assume that. There are many reasons why he wouldn’t or couldn’t use them. He and his forces may very well be cut off from them. Reports are coming in that we have them pinpointed and are securing them. That information could be hours old. He may not want to use them because every moment we are over there and they are not being used might support the very argument that you make. It could very well be that the men that are in charge of initiating the use of these weapons are no longer carrying out his orders, perhaps in final defiance to his falling regime. There could be a secret deal between us and our inside guys that allowed us to locate and secure them in exchange for whatever. There are many, many reasons why they haven’t been used. Your uninformed ‘rationale’ doesn’t hold up against any of them. You simply don’t know. So don’t pretend to… ---
**Author:** ![Model-Shipwright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@Model-Shipwright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Model-Shipwright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/129 "2003-03-21T07:14:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Where are your demands for the USA to send troops to Sierra Leone, the Congo, Liberia, to bring democracy there? Or maybe bring democracy to the oppressive government of Saudia Arabia? I guess you’ll wait until another Republic president tells you you need to start worrying your pretty little head about it. I have no such demand. Those places have no current potential based on our intel for clear and present danger to the United Statesor her allies. They do not directly threaten our security. Currently, they have no potential. Next time, dodge right. All of this dodging to the left is too predictable and you’ll get hit with the ball everytime. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/130 "2003-03-21T11:05:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Model-Shipwright \* > \*\*Your uninformed ‘rationale’ doesn’t hold up against any of them. You simply don’t know. > > So don’t pretend to… \*\* Loathe though I am to defend Diogenes, may I ask if you are any better informed than he is. Otherwise, you’re guilty of the same offence. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/131 "2003-03-21T12:06:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > \*\*I was listening to the CBC on the way home from work tonight, and they said that the first wave of missiles were fired at troops in the desert, and it was determined that they could have been fired from within 150 km. > > But later in the day, missiles were shot right over Kuwait city from the peninsula, aimed at refineries or the oil fields. Two fell into the ocean, apparently, and two others hit without doing serious damage. The commentator said that these missiles had to have been fired from farther than 150 Km, considering that they went right over Kuwait city, and they were definitely SCUDs. > \*\* I’ve now checked the thing that I obviously should have checked in the first place. Kuwait is pretty small, and there’s only a tiny part in the south of Kuwait that’s more than 150 km from the Iraqi border. So the missiles didn’t have to be SCUDs at all. And the most recent news reports are saying that only one or two (reports conflict) of the missiles were SCUDs. Which one (or two)? The one (or two) that was was intercepted by a patriot missile in midair and blown to bits. Credible evidence of SCUD possession is lacking at this stage. ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Hicks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@Ben\_Hicks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben_Hicks)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/132 "2003-03-21T12:43:03Z")
**Model Shipwright** > [@](#): > > The above quote and many others that I have seen in threads like these only serve to demonstrate that this forum contains some highly ignorant participants. I haven’t been posting long, but I have been here well over a year. Do you expect that revelation to lend you some sort of credibility?Frankly, given the display of shrill, self righteous hyperbole in which you have chosen to indulge at the expense of ‘enlightening’ us ignorant fools you’ll forgive me if I thank my lucky stars you haven’t been posting longer. > [@](#): > > You are 1 day into a war and you are making bullshit assessments that many people, who have spent their lives submerged within the information that you do not have, wouldn’t dare make. Do you want to know _why_ people are making bullshit assessments? It is because everyone’s favourite Rent-a-cop has given us fuck all to go on. We, the people, have repeately asked for proof, demanded it and finally begged for it. And what did we get? Hemming, hawing, simple minded obfuscation, forged documents and plagiarised outdated doctoral dissertations. If America’s Government _goes out of its way_ to keep its populace ignorant and stupid then, yes, bullshit assessments _will_ be made and it will solely be the fault of the Government. > [@](#): > > Rest assured that WMD WILL be found. You think because there was no proof issued to the likes of you (dumb asses outside the realm of the national security community) that these WMD could not exist. Here, let me hand you a fire extinguisher for that flaming strawman **Model Shipwright**. I have no trouble believing that there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. What I _do_ have trouble with, and what the plurality of anti-war protestors have trouble with, is the idea that Saddam’s very posession of these weapons is enough to switch from a policy of containment to an all out invasion. Why is the fact that he has some of these weapons tantamount to the virtual certainty that he’ll ever use them? After all, by Colin Powell’s own admission, he’s had Anthrax stores and VX gas stockpiles since the first Gulf War and he hasn’t shown the slightest indication that he’ll use them. What’s changed? Please outline any tactical advantage Saddam would gain through the use of WMD’s on other nations. Hussein has been trying to get his hands on nuclear weapons for nearly two decades and he has _failed_. Clearly, something must be working. > [@](#): > > Do you really expect to be plugged into the information pipeline at such a high level? Do you really think it’s wise to give YOU proof of something (information) that will in turn assist the enemy against us? How does telling the fucking _Weapons Inspectors_ where the _fucking weapons are_ constitute a breach of National Security? “Hey, Hans. Y’know them weapons of mass destruction you’ve spent over a decade looking for without finding? Well, they’re over there.” “Gee, thanks George. I’ll go tell the UN security council we’ve found our smoking gun”. “Great. Then I’ll be able to provide a semi rational facade under which to go to War. It may not be perfect but it’s better than what we’ve got now by keeping everyone in the dark” “What’s that George?” “Fuck all, Hans. Absolutely fuck all.” Not telling the Weapons Inspectors where the WMD’s are constitutes needless obfuscation and surely is a tactical blunder considering that a revelation by Blix that WMD’s had been found at X Y co-ordinates would have been grounds for a second UN resolution which would have quelled a vast proportion of anti-war sentiment. Yeah, we would have had to quibble with the wording a bit to satisfy the French but if there had been a definite smoking gun as opposed to the oblique shadows fleeting under the US Govt’s tissue of lies, deceit and misdirection then maybe, just maybe Chirac wouldn’t have felt compelled to use his countries veto… And how, precisely, will the revelation of a smoking gun assist the enemy against us? Seriously, I want some scenario’s O wise prognosticator extroadinaire. > [@](#): > > Do you really think the intelligence community needs to run their findings by you before they protect this country? I don’t think the intelligence community should hide evidence of any smoking guns from the public, especially when such evidence would bolster public opinion for the war around the world and would not in any way constitute a breach of national security. > [@](#): > > This discussion board is so loaded with leftist stupidity that it takes my breath away! Well, thank you for taking the trouble to stain this board with your Right wing hystrionics to even the balance. > [@](#): > > The very shit that you are attacking Bush about is the same shit that you never brought up during the Clinton administration. Remember when Clinton bombed the shit out of a certain unnamed country during the height of the Lewinsky scandal? Did he go before the UN? Did he consult anyone other than his approval ratings? Fuck no, you dumb asses! Listen to yourselves: Who is this ‘You’ of whom you speak? Oh, I get it, it’s a general, non-specific ‘You’, the byproduct of a dumb assed generalisation. I remember international outrage over that incident. > [@](#): > > I came to this board over a year ago because I thought there would be intelligent debate. Instead, I find thread after thread containing the drooling spittles of borderline retards. > **[Dictionary.com Is The World’s Favorite Online Dictionary](https://www.dictionary.com/)** > > Dictionary.com is the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more. re·tard2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rtärd) n. Offensive Slang 1. Used as a disparaging term for a mentally retarded person. 2. A person considered to be foolish or socially inept. 3. Anyone who disagrees with Model Shipwright. My God you’re right…well, can’t argue with the dictionary. > [@](#): > > I see the venomous spray of stupidity that wouldn’t be tolerated in the lowliest newsgroup. Is this forum your final wailing wall? I am damned thankful that the weight of your impact is contained within your words alone and the amount of potential damage that you can do is but with a single vote. Quite a damning indictment coming from someone who seems to support a full scale information black out in the interests of the one true great non defineable: National Security. Assuming you’re affiliated with the intelligence community in some way, I would appreciate a clear and detailed explanation of your rationale for keeping the American people in the dark. I am filled to the fucking brim with disgust for the way the American Government has tried to spin this war using ignorance as a tool for its own advantage. Justify it. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/133 "2003-03-21T13:10:16Z")
The cholesterol from too many WMD Freedom Fries may have been clogging the arteries in Milo’s brain. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/134 "2003-03-21T13:26:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*Then shift the topic of conversation, Wring. Milo’s labeling of Scud’s as “WMD’s” was an error, yes, but his (only) point wasn’t that Saddam had WMD’s, but that he also violated the UN sanctions. > > Call me silly, but I think whether or not Saddam violated UN sanctions is far more important than whether or not Milo got his nomenclature correct. But that’s just me, silly ol’ me, putting humanity as more important than military labels. \*\* well then, you might want to clue in the OP himself, since he was the one continuing to argue that the SCUDS or whatever the hell was shat were **by and of themselves** WOMD. He has yet to admit that he seems to be the only one believing that. I wondered myself why he didn’t come in, admit the error and go instead on the tactic you propose here, but whaddya gonna do? ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/135 "2003-03-21T13:27:38Z")
Sorry I wasn’t here to respond to all the “See? See? They weren’t Scuds” comments. News sources too numerous to count continue to say Scuds landed on Kuwait yesterday. They are citing Kuwaiti military officials. Cite An Associated Press story from less than one hour ago indicates the U.S. military has **absolutely not** determined those missiles were not Scuds. Cite > [@](#): > > The very missiles Saddam Hussein fired at U.S. forces in Kuwait appear to have been the same weapons he either claimed not to possess or agreed to destroy. > > U.S., British and Kuwait military officials said Iraq fired at least four missiles Thursday – though they differed on how many of them were Scuds, which have been banned by the United Nations. > \ > Kuwaiti officials said the first two were Scuds, similar to the ones the Iraqis fired in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. > > The Pentagon described the two as “tactical ballistic missiles” – **which could include Scuds** – that were intercepted and destroyed by the PAC-3, the latest Patriot anti-missile system, as they flew toward Kuwaiti airspace at midday Thursday. The third missile also was intercepted and destroyed. > > A fourth missile, described by Kuwaiti military officials as the Iraqi Al-Samoud, broke in two and fell near the Kuwaiti border. Though it’s already been discounted by those here, if any of the missiles were al-Samouds, they were also declared banned weapons by UN weapons inspectors. So, in Coldfire’s style, let’s review - - Iraq is using weapons it is not allowed to have and/or weapons it swore it didn’t have. - Certain nations and individuals used the “no concrete proof they have these weapons” as an excuse for being anti-war. They have been proven wrong. - Many on the SDMB have chosen to quibble about whether ballistic missiles are a weapon of mass destruction. I’ve provided evidence that they are listed under “weapons of mass destruction” at several reputable sites that look at these types of things, including a CIA site. However, it should be noted that I really don’t give a fuck whether a ballistic missile is legally described as a WMD. WMD or banned weapon, my point is quite decidedly the same. Desperately cling to semantics as you see fit. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/136 "2003-03-21T13:27:50Z")
“sh **o** t” goddammit. (but it is a funny typo at least) ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/137 "2003-03-21T13:48:31Z")
Thanks for that **Milossarian**. Your first link doesn’t appear to go to an actual report, but you’ll note that I linked to a similar report somewhere above about 10 hours ago. But the claims that the only missiles that were SCUDs were the same ones that were intercepted in mid-air and blown to bits (and so unverifiable) are suspicious. The rest of your post and OP about missiles in and of themselves being WMD is just nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/138 "2003-03-21T14:05:22Z")
**Model Shipwright** is in no wise worthy of a reply; he seems to be the reincarnation of **Danae**. **Milo** , if you see no moral difference between long-range missiles and WMDs, then I guess it makes sense to call it a semantic quibble. I see a huge difference between the two, and so does much of the world population. Even France has said they’ll get behind the war effort if Hussein uses WMDs; they’ve not offered to do the same if he uses long-ranged missiles. But if your only point is that Hussein was in noncompliance with UN resolutions – well, **duh**. Nobody outside of Iraq, as near as I know, disputes that. What we dispute is whether his noncompliance rises to the level of an invadable offense, and whether the best body to evaluate and respond to breaches of UN resolutions is the United States government acting in defiance of the UN. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/139 "2003-03-21T14:14:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Milossarian \* > \*\*- Many on the SDMB have chosen to quibble about whether ballistic missiles are a weapon of mass destruction. I’ve provided evidence that they are listed under “weapons of mass destruction” at several reputable sites that look at these types of things, including a CIA site. > > \*\* See the above defintion of retard. Moron. YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED PROOF OF SCUDS BEING WoMD! Read your links dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798/140 "2003-03-21T14:22:30Z")
**SPOOFE** - see, he’s still claiming it. So, while you would like to re-direct the thread, as long as the OP is coming back again and insisting that the missles themselves are “WOMD”, we’ll still have to answer that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iraq-is-launching-those-weapons-of-mass-destruction-it-doesnt-have-at-our-soldiers/162798.md?page=8)