# Irish pronunciation

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**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [June 25, 2025, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115 "2025-06-25T12:47:21Z")\
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**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/21 "2025-06-26T16:13:03Z")

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> [@pulykamell](#):
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> I’ve always pronounced “seer” with one syllable.

With justification.

A seer is a “see-er”. One who sees.

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**Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/22 "2025-06-26T16:13:39Z")

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I mean, yeah, I grokked the etymology. One syllable sounds better to me, like how “prayer” sounds more mellifluous as “prair” rather than “pray-er.” Well, at least to me. Could be a dialect thing.

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**Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/23 "2025-06-26T17:16:40Z")

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I think this one [SEER](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_energy_efficiency_ratio) is typically one syllable!

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**Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/24 "2025-09-04T02:54:06Z")

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Reviving this because I just saw a t-shirt that said “The Spelling of Irish Names is My Pet Piamh.”

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**Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/25 "2025-09-04T21:06:25Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> Caoimhe is pronounced Kee-va

Back in Ohio where I grew up there was an architect named Keeva Kekst. He spoke with a foreign accent, though I never found out what country he was from. It was definitely not an Irish accent, I can tell you that. I’d guess Israeli.

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**Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/26 "2025-09-04T21:13:40Z")

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> [@Broomstick](#):
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> The H is for aspiration, it modifies the proceeding consonant.

That isn’t what aspiration means.\* The word you’re looking for is lenition.

\*Though in certain other languages, h is used to show aspiration. The Irish language has none.

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**Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/27 "2025-09-04T22:13:57Z")

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Broad and slender consonants are governed by a simple binary rule.

“Broad” means the back of the tongue is higher and the front of the tongue is lowered, like the pose of a playful dog.

“Slender” means the front top surface of the tongue rises all the way up to the hard palate, while the back of the tongue is lowered, like a cobra about to strike.

a, o, u trigger the doggie.

e and i trigger the cobra.

The lenited f, written fh, is phonetic zero. That means it has no sound at all. It’s completely silent.

The lenited t, spelled th, is pronounced [h]. That is aspiration, come to think of it. But not an aspirated consonant like in Thai. Just the pure sound of aspiration itself.

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**Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/irish-pronunciation/1020115/28 "2025-09-04T22:38:13Z")

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_P_ó_g mo thóin_ roughly like “Pogue Mahone.” Where the band the Pogues got its name from, I’m told.

ETA: I’ve been reminded that there are no snakes in Ireland. Oh well, there goes my career as an Irish teacher.

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