# Iron Man 2 fight scene clip **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 24, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233 "2010-04-24T18:43:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/21 "2010-04-26T13:53:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Period armor on the torso was about [2mm thick](http://web.mit.edu/21h.416/www/militarytechnology/armor.html) but in any case, no primitive armor actually covers the whole body so some allowances have to be made for that of course. > > As said above below, the armor is a futuristic composite, not iron. Also, a quarter inch on the pared down suitcase suit may be overstating it a bit, it appeared fairly thin. > > Well we know that it isn’t actually just a gold-titanium alloy, since that likely wouldn’t be able to shrug off the damage he’s seen to be taking. It would be reasonable to assume that the material is some sort of super-science composite that is referred to as gold-titanium as a shorthand. And we know that since there is a handle, it must be light enough to carry around in one hand. > > I can’t be sure, but it looks like Stark’s bodyguard rammed Whiplash with his car and pinned him to a wall. Stark kicks the car off him and the fight begins. excuse me… what does Iron Man need with a body gaurd? I mean, could you imagine interviewing for that role - 'So, are you willing to get between the super bad guy and slow him down for 10-15 seconds while I don my suitcase suit? I realize that you may perish doing this, and for that I’m truly sorry. BTW, we’re hiring 10 of you each day - if you live to tomorrow, you get to be last on the rotation for the next x days. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/22 "2010-04-26T13:57:56Z")
Not Iron Man’s bodyguard. _Stark’s_ bodyguard. And I think that was Happy Hogan driving the car. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/23 "2010-04-26T14:08:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I can’t be sure, but it looks like Stark’s bodyguard rammed Whiplash with his car and pinned him to a wall. Stark kicks the car off him and the fight begins. Well, that just makes it stupid from the other direction. If your enemy is pinned to the wall, SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE! Don’t kick away the thing doing the pinning, freeing his super elctro-tenticle arms. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/24 "2010-04-26T14:18:43Z")
Well, we can give Stark the benefit of the doubt and say that he didn’t want to kill someone who hadn’t demonstrated that he was going to kill others. Good guys capture rather than kill, as a rule. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/25 "2010-04-26T14:31:14Z")
Yawn. A fight scene. How original. The worst thing about the original **Iron Man** were the Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots. Fight scenes are inherently dull and uninteresting (good guy loses, unless its the final fight, where he wins). Superhero films are only good when the story and characterization are interesting. There is no characterization in fight scenes (at best, there are wisecracks). **The Dark Knight** was a great film because they kept the fight scenes to a minimum. Once characters start punching each other, the film turns into variations on a tired old theme. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Spoonful\_of\_Awesome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@A\_Spoonful\_of\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Spoonful_of_Awesome)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/26 "2010-04-26T14:36:22Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I was more bothered by the fact that super-electro whip man was sitting around tapping his foot for the 25 seconds it takes Tony to get his super suit on. A smart villian would just whipped his face off while he was bending over to hit the “on” button. > > There must be an entry on the Evil-Overlord list about not sitting there gawking while your opponent takes the eight minutes necessary to ready his super-attack. Going by the trailers I’ve seen (which are approaching viewing frequency of near pornographic proportions), I’m thinking that Mr. Whiplash-y guy WANTS to face Tony in Iron Man armor (he talks to the rich guy later who is ‘very impressed’ and wants to give his mega-villain operation corporate backing). I’m not sure if he knew ahead of time that Tony would be packing a compact Iron Man, or if he made his decision once he saw the suitcase, but waiting around while Tony gears up doesn’t strike me as that odd. He’s trying to prove to the world that Tony is an overrated hack and his own genius is the real deal. Killing normal Tony Stark accomplishes very little in that sense. It’s like an up-and coming boxer taking on a middle-aged Ali. More than killing Stark, he wants recognition as the baddest dog in the pound. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/27 "2010-04-26T14:37:29Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Well, that just makes it stupid from the other direction. If your enemy is pinned to the wall, SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE! Don’t kick away the thing doing the pinning, freeing his super elctro-tenticle arms. I’m okay with that since Stark isn’t a highly skilled combatant. But maybe he was worried that Whiplash’s rig would explode, destroying the car. I can see getting them out of harm’s way as his first thought. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/28 "2010-04-26T14:41:18Z")
There can, in fact, be _great_ characterization in fight scenes. I give you The Princess Bride. You learn a lot about the men in their moments of conflict. Iron Man, not so much, no. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/29 "2010-04-26T14:47:38Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Not Iron Man’s bodyguard. _Stark’s_ bodyguard. And I think that was Happy Hogan driving the car. WHile I agree with what you’re saying, the inteview would be mostly the same - and one commercial has Stark saying “I and Iron Man are one and the same” (or words to that affect). Still wouldn’t apply for that job. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/30 "2010-04-26T15:20:57Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Well, we can give Stark the benefit of the doubt and say that he didn’t want to kill someone who hadn’t demonstrated that he was going to kill others. Good guys capture rather than kill, as a rule. Right. You can even see when Tony does start getting a couple shots off that he is aiming for the whips themselves, not Whiplash’s torso. He wants to disable his weapons/suit and find out who the Hell he is, and why he wants him dead. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/31 "2010-04-26T15:22:40Z")
Me, either. I don’t care how good the retirement plan is. Hired hands of Superheroes have very short lifespans. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/32 "2010-04-26T15:47:42Z")
Iron Man was one of my absolute favorite super-heroes and the first movie was pretty dang good. This one looks even better. I won’t see this in the theater, but when it comes to Blu-Ray I know my best friend will have it and invite us to see it. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/33 "2010-04-26T17:28:21Z")
So somebody tell me who and what Whiplash is. This is my biggest concern about the sequel: the first movie was kinda sorta about Big Business and politics and war and morality and stuff, but the sequel is just gonna be some Evil Genius with Big Dangerous Toys attacking Tony. And big, noisy, boring fight scenes ensue. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/34 "2010-04-26T17:36:26Z")
[Whiplash](http://marvel.com/universe/Whiplash_(Mark_Scarlotti)), courtesy of Marvel Universe Wiki. Who knows what the movie is going to do with the character? But I expect further development of Stark’s incipient alcoholism, and some more foundations stones set for The Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/35 "2010-04-26T17:53:30Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Don’t forget to factor in the unobtainium. What? Avatar is set in the Marvel universe? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/36 "2010-04-26T19:22:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [Whiplash](http://marvel.com/universe/Whiplash_(Mark_Scarlotti)), courtesy of Marvel Universe Wiki. Who knows what the movie is going to do with the character? But I expect further development of Stark’s incipient alcoholism, and some more foundations stones set for The Avengers. The Whiplash in the movie is a combination of the comic Whiplash AND the Crimson Dynamo (in that he’s Russian/Eastern Eurpoean.) I don’t know how far into the alcoholism they’ll get…I thought I heard Jon Favrou say he wasn’t that interested in the “demon in a bottle” storyline, because it wouldn’t translate well to the big screen. Trying to mesh that in and around the other stuff in just one or two movies wouldn’t work…that’s the kind of thing best left ot a more serialized medium, like comics books (or a TV show…in case any TV producer is reading this…) But I think there will still be a lot of that corporate/big business thing in this one. The Whiplash fight I linked to is fairly early on in the movie, i think. In other trailers, we see Justin Hammer (a rival to Tony Stark in almost every way. He’s also handsome, a genius, owns a large tech company, etc…) is meeting with Whiplash, and it shows them working together to make robots. The Black Widow (played by Scarlett Johanson, yum!) is also in this, and we have scenes of her beating up guards, possibly to botain company secrets. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/37 "2010-04-26T19:29:07Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > The Black Widow (played by Scarlett Johanson, yum!) is also in this, and we have scenes of her beating up guards, possibly to botain company secrets. Actually, she’s infiltrating a telecommunications company in order to obtain my phone number. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/38 "2010-04-26T19:52:13Z")
I won’t miss the “demon in a bottle” arc any, if that’s the way they go. It made Stark human, but it is a bit much to cram into a 2 hour movie. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/39 "2010-04-28T07:58:43Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Well, we can give Stark the benefit of the doubt and say that he didn’t want to kill someone who hadn’t demonstrated that he was going to kill others. Good guys capture rather than kill, as a rule. He had no objection to killing lots of guys in the first movie. Why doesn’t he put one of those pencil-sized tank-killing rockets up Rourke’s ass? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233/40 "2010-04-28T12:29:28Z")
1. The guys he killed in the first movie were actively trying to kill him, innocent civilians, and American military people. 2. New movie means new weaponry. 3. The suitcase armor is too compact to hold any missiles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/iron-man-2-fight-scene-clip/537233.md?page=3)