# Ironman II and Avengers movies slated **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 29, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128 "2008-10-29T18:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/1 "2008-10-29T18:40:06Z")
Per this I saw on Yahoo, Favreau and Downey have agreed to terms > [@](#): > > LOS ANGELES – Robert Downey Jr. will strap on his metal suit to join the superhero team effort “The Avengers” in addition to “Iron Man 2,” Marvel Studios announced Tuesday. > > Downey is reprising his role as billionaire genius Tony Stark from last summer’s blockbuster “Iron Man,” with the sequel due out May 7, 2010, and “The Avengers,” scheduled for July 15, 2011. > > The movies are part of a four-picture deal between Downey and Marvel. > > “Iron Man” director Jon Favreau is returning to direct “Iron Man 2” and serve as executive producer on “The Avengers,” which will team the guy in the metal suit with Marvel Comics heroes the Hulk, Captain America, Thor and others. > > Don Cheadle is joining the “Iron Man 2” cast as Stark’s ally Col. James “Rhodey” Rhodes. Cheadle replaces Terrence Howard, who played Rhodes in “Iron Man.” I like Cheadle, but don’t see why they need to have him replace Howard. Both are good actors. Cheadle tends to do more intense roles, while Howard tends to play more subdued. But subdued seems to balance against Downey’s Tony Stark better. I admit, I never really followed these comics, but did like _Ironman_ ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/2 "2008-10-29T18:50:13Z")
Don Cheadle playing James Rhodes is a problem. It will created confusion when he portrays the Black Panther in the Avengers movies. Because Cheadle must play T’Challa. He just has to. He’s _perfect_ for the part. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/3 "2008-10-29T18:53:14Z")
> [@The New and Improved Superman](#): > > Because Cheadle must play T’Challa. He just has to. He’s _perfect_ for the part. Don’t you think he’s a little spindly for that? I was thinking more like Will Smith or something. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/4 "2008-10-29T19:14:11Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Don’t you think he’s a little spindly for that? I was thinking more like Will Smith or something. Interesting points. We need to discuss who will play the Avenger roles. Looks like maybe Ed Norton, Jr as the Hulk. Who plays Captain America and Thor? Which other Avengers are in – you’ve got to figure at least one female – and who is out? > [@](#): > > General Nick Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D. establishes a strike force of government-sponsored metahumans which includes Captain America; scientist couple Henry and Janet Pym (Giant-Man and the Wasp); Bruce Banner (the Hulk) and Tony Stark (Iron Man). Together they are based at the S.H.I.E.L.D facility, the Triskelion. When Banner injects himself with the super-soldier serum and goes on a bloody rampage as the Hulk, he is eventually stopped by the other metahumans with the aid of Thor. The team then join forces with the mutants Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch and agents Hawkeye and Black Widow against the alien shape-shifters the Chitauri, who are defeated. from a Wikipedia article about the Ultimates. Since Nick Fury is introduced after the credits in _Ironman_, you have to figure this might be the scenario that they explore for the initial movie. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/5 "2008-10-29T19:42:45Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Don’t you think he’s a little spindly for that? I was thinking more like Will Smith or something. Will Smith??? No, no, no, no, NO!!! First off, Cheadle [isn’t spindly](http://concreteloop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/cheadle.jpg), not in the least. In fact, that’s precisely why he’s perfect for the role - he’s muscular, yet in a lean, sinewy, feline, _pantherlike_ way. The Black Panther isn’t merely a muscle man, he’s agile and dextrous. Will Smith is Stallone-style buff. That’s wrong for the Panther. Additionally, while Smith is a highly charismatic movie star, he’s not a particularly good actor. That is, he really can only play one part - that of a hip, urbane, irreverent, street-smart _American_ tough guy. He’s good at playing that character type, but that’s the extent of his range. Cheadle would be much more capable of depicting the nobility and reserved demeanor of a central African prince. Will Smith as the Panther would be “Halle-Berry-as-Storm” bad. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/6 "2008-10-29T19:50:18Z")
I still think he’s spindly. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/7 "2008-10-29T20:02:24Z")
How about [Djimon Hounsou](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005023/)? He’s got the physique and the acting chops. Is it okay if he has an African accent? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/8 "2008-10-29T20:08:34Z")
The problem with Will Smith as the Black Panther is it would be Will Smith as the Black Panther. I really am not a fan of highly established, famous actors taking on likewise established roles. Downey jr. worked because while he’s famous, he’s not so much a brand name unto himself. Also I don’t know a massive amount about the BP, but from what I do know Smith really doesn’t seem like the right guy for the role. So who’s going to be Cap? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/9 "2008-10-29T20:11:44Z")
I like Cheadle… but I have a _really_ hard time seeing him as Rhodey. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/10 "2008-10-29T20:41:24Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > I like Cheadle… but I have a _really_ hard time seeing him as Rhodey. Same here. Partly because Terrence Howard set the tone for Rhodey in the first movie, and Cheadle is nothing like Howard, but even without that context I have a hard time seeing Cheadle as an American military officer. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/11 "2008-10-29T20:47:18Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > So who’s going to be Cap? If you Google “Rumors Captain America Casting” you get: Will Smith Leonardo DiCaprio Matthew McConaghey and some guy named Scott Speedman (I looked him up in IMDB, and I’ve seen some things he’s been in, but don’t really remember him). I don’t like the first three on the list, just because if enough big star ego folks get involved, I think it could kill the movie. Speedman seems to be English then Canadian, so I’m not wild about him as Captain America. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/12 "2008-10-29T20:50:47Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > So who’s going to be Cap? If there is no God, Nicholas Cage. If there is, Vin Diesel. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/13 "2008-10-29T22:01:43Z")
There already was an movie about [The Avengers](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118661/) but it was TERRIBLE. I stick to the TV series: Mrs Peel was hot. Oh, wait, you mean the OTHER “Avengers.” Pah, comic book stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/14 "2008-10-29T22:11:19Z")
Angelina Jolie as the Scarlet Witch. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Hen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Small\_Hen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Hen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/15 "2008-10-29T22:30:29Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Angelina Jolie as the Scarlet Witch. Do I have to make the obvious joke about her brother playing Quicksilver, or was it implied? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/16 "2008-10-30T00:25:22Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > If you Google “Rumors Captain America Casting” you get: > > Will Smith > Leonardo DiCaprio > Matthew McConaghey > and some guy named Scott Speedman (I looked him up in IMDB, and I’ve seen some things he’s been in, but don’t really remember him). > > I don’t like the first three on the list, just because if enough big star ego folks get involved, I think it could kill the movie. Speedman seems to be English then Canadian, so I’m not wild about him as Captain America. Actually I think Alexander Skaarsgard would be the best Captain America. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/17 "2008-10-30T00:47:21Z")
Will Smith is a fine actor, but I just don’t see him having the regal bearing needed to play T’Challa. As for Leo as Steve Rogers… PTUI! ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/18 "2008-10-30T00:52:31Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Actually I think Alexander Skaarsgard would be the best Captain America. Hell yes. His performance and presence in Generation Kill sold me on that. I submit Idris Elba (of The Wire) for Black Panther. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/19 "2008-10-30T11:39:10Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Actually I think Alexander Skaarsgard would be the best Captain America. He’s Swedish. That’s like having an American play Harry Potter. Let him be Thor. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128/20 "2008-10-30T13:20:05Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > He’s Swedish. That’s like having an American play Harry Potter. Let him be Thor. Swedish or not, he’d be best for the role. Thor should be bigger…some professional wrestler maybe, 6 foot 6 or so, 250lbs. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ironman-ii-and-avengers-movies-slated/470128.md?page=2)