Is a box full of flying bees heavier than an empty box?

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That line caused me to spew Dr Pepper out of my nose! :eek:, (and take my word for it, THAT HURTS!) Not to mention, the REALLY odd looks that I received, upon simultaneously, spewing and laughing hysterically!:smiley: Many thanks, for a great way, to start the day.:rolleyes:

OK. This thread is getting weird, now.

It’s good to know that bee-shipping has not died in America. Just thinking about suburban postal workers occasionally getting annoyed by bees makes me smile.

Ouch. That one stung.

OK. From what I understand, the box weighs more with flying bees in it because of the force generated on the box from their flight.

What if magically all the bees died in mid-air and you measured the box at a point in time when all the bees were simply falling downward?

More compared to an empty box, yes? Because if you understand it to be heavier than a box with stationary bees you understand wrong.

Now if you measure it while all the bees are falling, it will temporarily be lighter than a box with stationary bees.

Indeed - and since the bees only have a finite space in which to do this, it must net out to zero over time.

Errr, I guess I had two questions. Would the box with the dead falling bees weigh less than the box with flying bees, and would the box with the falling bees weigh equal to a box without any bees?

  1. Plot the wavelength spectrum of their buzzing.

  2. Observe distinct ‘line spectrum’ caused by similar wing vibrations of separate insects

  3. Increase density by shrinking the box or by adding more bees (add a convenient movable piston to one box wall)

  4. Observe the line spectrum become smeared out into “band structure”

  5. Plot curve for pressure/density to measure intra-bee interactions, density profile of individual insects (rasins in pudding theory vs hard central bee theory)

Ah, a box full of flying bees is like a shaken box full of bells. Moving the piston adjusts the coupling and linewidth of your oscillator array.

Question: if you dove into a swimming pool full of flying bees with fairly dense packing, wouldn’t you experience significant buoyant force? Compare with swimmingpool full of double edge razorblades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-1pyJP-5Rs

I’d think you’d experience significant stinging force. All kidding aside, this depends on whether bees are more or less dense than humans. My instinct says the latter since they fly and one helpful adaptation that some flighted animals have is light weight.

What do Zombees eat?!?

This thread has got me thinking inside the box.

That the box would be no lighter can be demonstrated by changing the fluid from air to a liquid, say water. No, make it orange juice. A box of bees actively swimming around in orange juice weighs the same as a box of bees passively drifting through orange juice.

There is one factor that seems to have been overlooked, though: Flying bees generate heat. A hot box would rise in air more than a cool box would, or at least it would sink more slowly. (Think of a hot air balloon full of bees.)

Genius!

Zombees are on the what now?

On a treadmill.

Yes and yes.

But what if there were two bees or not two bees? THAT is the question.

But can the hot air balloon full of bees on a treadmill take off? And are the bees on a treadmill in a hot air balloon or are the bees in a hot air balloon on a treadmill?

And are they farting?

This would only be true if the volume of the container were allowed to expand. If the volume stays the same and the temperature rises, then the pressure will rise and the total overall density of the box will stay the same.

Still need an answer: What do Zombees eat? Bee brainz? Beerainz?

P.S. Is anyone else watching the ads at the bottom of this thread? Almost as amusing as the thread itself.

At least the subject line has the word be in it.