Sure christmas was and still is a big deal, but mostly has absolutly nothing to do with Christianity anymore… Santa Claus living at the Noth Pole and has a slight that flights with whatever amount of Raindeers and eats cookies after coming though a chimney… where was this ever mentioned in the Bible?
And yes, the Christians came up with the Tannenbaum as well… check it out here it’s all based on the Bible of cos.
Also very funny, that you are quoting “the nasty girl”… I hope you are aware, that it is a political satiere comedy as such, right? If not read up here
Maybe I got absolutly no clue about the German history related to the Nazi time at all, but my Gandmother being inprisoned in Auswitz, while my Grandpa was fighting on the Russian front really gives me no incline to what happend during this time at all.
Then I don’t have much to say except that it makes no sense why you are minimizing Christianity’s influence in getting antisemitism going on in Europe. Remember, Hitler did not act in a vacuum, conservative christian and Catholics had a big part on it. And in Germany, Luther did not make it easier for the Jews.
As for your effort to just make that movie satire:
Yes, indeed.
Post WWII Germany is a political & historical minefield.
However, it seams like that you like to blame the churches for it, which is ridicules. Sure, they could have rallied against the ideas of Hitler, they clearly knew what he was up and put their heads in the sand like an ostrich.
They properly thought, that Hitler will do some of their dirty work for them, while they wash their hands free, which doesn’t make me a friend of the church so to say. Most Germans know this and that is one of the reasons, they stoped going to church.
They still life in a Christian way, but the church has nothing to say in matters anymore. In schools the religion education is called “Ethnic” and covers all sorts of religions and explains then to the pupils.
There is religouse freedom in Germany and oneone can practice what they want or believe. However, the regulations to qualify to become a recognised “church” organisation are very strict - see Scientology, which is not a recognised church in Germany, yet people are free to follow it.
The meaning of this is: Germany moved on. The US still thumps the Bible.
Check out the imdb link
The keywords for the classifications of the movie are:
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Alternative History
Post War
Bra Less
Tragicomedy
Ex Nazi
Teenage Girl In Underwear
Surrealism
Controversial
Female Nudity
German Shepherd
Female Frontal Nudity
Dead Cat
Film With Ambiguous Title
Nude Swimming
West Germany
Volkswagen Beetle
Provincial Life
Vow Of Silence
Small Town
Germany
Bra Less Teen
Older Man Younger Woman Relationship
Bavaria
WWII
Societal Hypocrisy
Cover Up
Post WWII
Historical Revisionism
Writing Contest
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Based On True Story
Well, sure the stuff that happend there is kinda crazy and the things people tried to cover up is just unreal.
But trust me, when I say, that the Germans are not taking it lightly these days what happend during the war and are well aware of it.
Coming to war, not only the Germans did terible things. Stalin killed many many more people, then the NAZI regime ever did, they just did it differently and not as methoticly, which makes the whole thing so “evil”.
Just look at the crap that went down during the Vietnam war, many things happening there only came out years afterwards.
The Japanes aren’t even now oweing up to the atrosities that they commited during the time of WWII, which you can not say about the Germans. They are informing their citizens about it and are trying to prevent somthing like this from happening again through education.
Slavery was practiced by most other nations so nobody else in any better. Plus it was never the official policy of the US government to kill every Indian in existence.
Well, I guess as long as they do it BUT don’t make it official that they are, it becomes OK ;). But you’re right : the Western powers didn’t set out to kill or displace every last Indian tribe in all of Northern America.
Just those that were living in places Western settlers wanted for themselves.
It’s surely only coincidental that the latter turned out to be “every last scrap of Northern America”. Who could have foreseen that ?!
First of all, as even you note, slavery was not a universal practice. Even compared to other societies where it was practiced, the large-scale usage of human chattel for cash-crop agriculture in the midst of an ostensibly “Enlightened” society had no parallel.
Secondly, the USA was one of the last major nations to abolish slavery.
Where did Doughbag assert that genocide was official US policy? He was merely noting that the USA has a lot of Native American blood on its hands. Some of that was by private actors, some actually was by agents of the government. Even the private actors acted with the tacit approval of the US government, who opened huge tracts of land for White settlement without first establishing an effective method of governance over those regions.
AFTER he had already fanned the flames of the Red Scare.
Well, is the USA one nation or just North and South?
That is the same as me telling you there was no such things as the Holocaust in Germany, those where only the Nazis and has nothing to do with Germany at all.
So either there where Nazis and the US had slaves and used the army to kill Indians or there where no Nazis and no Indians killed and no slaves in the US.
You’re sure? Till when? BTW it is still practice in some backwater countries. But no mayor European nation had slaves, when the US still had.
Well, then I claime the same statement, I can claim the same about the NPD - they are a joke. So is the Ku Klux Clan. Yes, bad thing like this only happend in the movie and only in Germany.
Same for the rights of black people, who where really only allowed to vote in the US after 1964, that is how many years after the North free’d them? Yeah right, that war was really all about freeing the slaves… So why did it take almost 100 years to give them their rights then?
They where allowed to die in WWII for the American way of life, but where not allowed to vote at home in the whole country.
Nitpit: It’s Ku Klux Klan, hence KKK. I only point it out so that we know whom to watch. Mostly its them Scottish types in the clan. Curiously, I note that according to Wikipedia, they were briefly called the Kuklux Clan.
And your point would be??? Good lord, I can’t even believe you’re trying to make some sort of point with this statement. Hell, they used to crucify people, can’t be that bad then, heh.
And so? “Well, they did it too!” Using the argument that others have done wrong as well is not a good one, and I believe this has been out to you before, Curtis.
And what exactly is your point there?
The Germans didn’t invent the concentration camps… that doesn’t make the things the Nazis did go away, or does it in your case?
I have read this ENTIRE thread, for my sins, and it’s appears to me that in M. Le May’s world, and to a certain extent, Starving Artist’s, we all live in a cartoon.
Now pardon me while I use some of my ill-gotten state subsidies to get one of my slaves to vote for a fundamentalist Muslim in order to collapse my own economy - but in a fascist way. You know, socialism!
