# Is an 80's Porsche expensive to restore? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 30, 2007, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627 "2007-10-30T20:23:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/1 "2007-10-30T20:23:48Z")
I’ve been looking for a project car for awhile. I don’t need anything that’s gonna be a show car or something that’s gonna be worth hundreds of thousands when I’m done. I like turning wrenches and I’m looking for something to build up that will be fun to drive and be more unique than all the jellybeans on the road today. I came across this [1983 Porsche 944](http://appleton.craigslist.org/car/463915442.html) for sale locally. From what I know about that car (which is very little) it is fairly fast and one of the best cornering production cars. It looks to be just the thing to restore, unless: Replacements parts are prohibitivly expensive/difficult to get The car isn’t nearly as fun to drive or unique as I thought. There’s something I don’t know about the car that will make restoring it nearly impossible. What say you Dopers? Anyone have experience with one of these? Any idea where to get parts (assuming NAPA doesn’t carry them) or how much parts would be compared to a domestic car? Any advice at all? ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/2 "2007-10-30T20:48:27Z")
Try [Renegade Hybrids](http://www.renegadehybrids.com/indexx.html). Most of your problems would be solved once you replace that awful German engine with good, honest Detroit muscle. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/3 "2007-10-30T21:10:55Z")
Small block Chevy’s are what I know. I actually have a rebuilt 350 that could potentially be dropped in. That little 944 would really haul ass with 250-300 horses under the hood! Thanks for the link. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/4 "2007-10-30T21:32:52Z")
I suppose it’s not a “restoration”, in the strictest sense. You should still do it though. I thought the trans axle might be a bit of a problem (I mused about doing something similar with my mechanic some time ago, it came up) but I read the site a bit more and it looks like the stock trans axle can be used if you buy their bell housing. ---
**Author:** ![Cerowyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@Cerowyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerowyn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/5 "2007-10-30T21:37:23Z")
When you say “fairly fast,” keep in mind that it has roughly the same power-to-weight ratio as the previous generation of the Ford Taurus, definitely back-of-the-pack for modern sedans, let alone GTs. The 0-60 MPH time was on the order of 8.5 seconds, not exactly ripping up the pavement. Not that that should dissuade you from your project – just that you should be aware of what your expectations should be. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/6 "2007-10-30T21:49:24Z")
[QUOTE=Throatwarbler Mangrove] I suppose it’s not a “restoration”, in the strictest sense. You should still do it though. I thought the trans axle might be a bit of a problem (I mused about doing something similar with my mechanic some time ago, it came up) but I read the site a bit more and it looks like the stock trans axle can be used if you buy their bell housing. [/QUOTE] I’m not so much wanting to do a restoration. I more just want something to work on. But I want that something to be something good when I’m done. If there’s no potential for a cool car when I’m done with it, there’s not much reason to do it. Transaxle? The 944 has a front engine. And unless it is front wheel drive (which is a instant no go for me) there shouldn’t be a transaxle. [QUOTE=Cerowyn] When you say “fairly fast,” keep in mind that it has roughly the same power-to-weight ratio as the previous generation of the Ford Taurus, definitely back-of-the-pack for modern sedans, let alone GTs. The 0-60 MPH time was on the order of 8.5 seconds, not exactly ripping up the pavement. Not that that should dissuade you from your project – just that you should be aware of what your expectations should be. [/QUOTE] By fairly fast, I don’t just mean acceleration (Which, by the way, that sounds pretty anemic. I think my Cherokee Sport has a better 0-60 time than that). I also mean that it handles well, and would be fun to drive on windy roads. Of course with the conversion that TWM suggested, the 0-60 times should be helped substaintially! ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/7 "2007-10-30T21:52:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Transaxle? The 944 has a front engine. And unless it is front wheel drive (which is a instant no go for me) there shouldn’t be a transaxle. All Porsches (AFAIK, not sure about the Cayenne or any of the oddball VW projects from the 1960s) have trans axles. The FR ones (924/944/968/928) retain it for even weight distribution. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/8 "2007-10-30T22:00:38Z")
[QUOTE=Throatwarbler Mangrove] All Porsches (AFAIK, not sure about the Cayenne or any of the oddball VW projects from the 1960s) have trans axles. The FR ones (924/944/968/928) retain it for even weight distribution. [/QUOTE] To add to that, I think the implication here is that you’re stuck with using the stock trans axle, because there’s no place to put a T56 if you were going to swap in an LS7. From the sounds of it, your 350 sounds like the perfect engine for this car. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/9 "2007-10-31T12:05:11Z")
If the car hasn’t been sold, I’m going to look at it this weekend. Could you clarify the drivetrain setup for me? Normally on a FR car, you have a the engine then tranny, then a driveshaft back to the diff and rear axle. When I hear transaxle, I’m thinking of the short drive shafts that go right from the tranny to the wheel on each side in a FF car or a mid or rear engine car. I’m certainly not saying that a FR car can’t have a transaxle, since I don’t know much about Porsche’s I’m just wondering if you can explain how it is setup. ---
**Author:** ![kferr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71e660/32.png) [@kferr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kferr)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/10 "2007-10-31T12:33:22Z")
I had a chance to drive a 944 **Turbo** back in the 80’s, it was definitely quick. Wouldn’t a 911 be a better choice if you’re after performance and handling? ---
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/11 "2007-10-31T13:03:49Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] I’m certainly not saying that a FR car can’t have a transaxle, since I don’t know much about Porsche’s I’m just wondering if you can explain how it is setup. [/QUOTE] The transmission and rear end are one assembly in the back of the car. One of the first to have this was the first generation Pontiac Tempest. The engine and transaxle were connected by a curved driveshaft (actually a torsion cable in a tube). The Tempest even had independent rear suspension, the only other US built car to have that at that time was the Corvette. The Porsche has a very similar setup. ---
**Author:** ![freckafree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freckafree/32/3050_2.png) [@freckafree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/freckafree)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/12 "2007-10-31T13:31:41Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] Any idea where to get parts (assuming NAPA doesn’t carry them) or how much parts would be compared to a domestic car? Any advice at all? [/QUOTE] Search eBay Motors for parts. A friend and I parted out a couple of '80s BMWs on eBay. We sold everything from window switches to intake manifolds to interior trim pieces to body parts. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/13 "2007-10-31T13:33:36Z")
Returning to the original topic, restoring any car takes a lot of dedication and money. Here’s my take on it (post #4): > **[Cheap truck/car restorations](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=417153)** > > Here’s the deal: I have a 1973 GMC crew cab pickup. It’s a complete beater–worn out engine (supposedly a 396), old paint and surface rust, some dents, rust in the rear cab corners and the like. I bought it for cheap, used it to haul lumber and make... ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/14 "2007-10-31T14:18:02Z")
> **[Transaxle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaxle)** > > A transaxle is a single mechanical device which combines the functions of an automobile's transmission, axle, and differential into one integrated assembly. It can be produced in both manual and automatic versions. > Transaxles are nearly universal in all automobile configurations that have the engine placed at the same end of the car as the driven wheels: the front-engine/front-wheel-drive; rear-engine/rear-wheel-drive; and mid-engine/rear-wheel-drive arrangements. > Many mid- and rear-engined ve... There’s a few people in town who have done the Renegade Hybrid swap and it seems to work fairly well. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-an-80s-porsche-expensive-to-restore/424627/15 "2007-10-31T14:33:08Z")
You should submit your project idea to [Choose your eternity!](http://jalopnik.com/cars/choose-your-eternity/)