# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/201 "2013-04-11T14:24:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’ll just take this one last item. First off, this guy is a nut and there is no evidence that he has any power or authority to put his views into practice. But note that he talks about destroying the “social construct” of the white race, not the “biological construct” (if there even were one). Here’s more, from your cite: > > So, no, this guy isn’t talking about interbreeding the “white race” out of existence. Not to mention that he’s a babbling academic that no one of import pays any attention to. I think the key phrase here is “babbling academic”. So, he doesn’t want any one checking “White” on the census form? He still seems a bit nutty to me. Perhaps I would change my mind if I read his books, though… ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/202 "2013-04-11T14:25:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’ll just take this one last item. First off, this guy is a nut and there is no evidence that he has any power or authority to put his views into practice. But note that he talks about destroying the “social construct” of the white race, not the “biological construct” (if there even were one). Here’s more, from your cite: > > So, no, this guy isn’t talking about interbreeding the “white race” out of existence. Not to mention that he’s a babbling academic that no one of import pays any attention to. You miss the point. I am not aware of any “anti-racists” in Japan demanding an end of Japanese privilege in Japan. I am not aware of any “anti-racists” in Nigeria demanding an end to black privilege in Nigeria. “White privilege” really just boils down to the existence of White people in a majority White society. The only way to abolish it is to reduce Whites to a minority and force them to integrate with non-Whites, which will inevitably have the effect of assimilating Whites and blending them out of existence. Under international human rights law, “intent” means: In relation to a consequence, that person means to cause that consequence or is aware that it will occur in the ordinary course of events. -Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/203 "2013-04-11T14:25:53Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > When non-whites are exterminated, its called genocide. For example, there was never any conspiracy to get rid of the Australian aborigines. They were just slowly pushed off their land, occasionally murdered, and assimilated by intermarriage, just exactly what is happening today to White people. See folks? Just occasional murders, no big deal. Exactly like what happens to white people today. I mean, just yesterday, my white friend was occasionally murdered… This occasional murdering really bugs me. I can’t be the only one! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/204 "2013-04-11T14:26:24Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > I did not redefine the term “conspiracy”, I simply said that one isn’t necessary to prove genocide. The entire point of genocide is that it’s intentional, and intent has to come from someone. Look at any definition of the term. There is no such thing as accidental genocide. If there’s no intent, you’re just using a hysterical term for demographic change. I’m not sure why you are bothering with this when you already said flat-out that there is a conspiracy behind this purported genocide, but maybe you’re expecting nobody will be impressed with the first claim and that the second represents an easier mark. Both claims are ludicrous and you’ve demonstrated neither. > [@](#): > > Now, if these arguments have been debunked thousands of times, why can’t you provide a brief summary of said debunking, because I have never heard or seen it. Sure you have. If you can do the “you refuse to see it” gambit, so can I. > [@](#): > > After all, don’t you want to cure me of my “racism” No. I don’t believe people can change each other’s minds that way, so I’ll settle for ridiculing your conspiracism and prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/205 "2013-04-11T14:27:36Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Moving on to the next argument. > > White genocide deniers claim that nothing will be lost if Whites are exterminated. No, that nothing will be lost if the concept of “whiteness” dies out. That is a very different thing, and requires nobody to die. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/206 "2013-04-11T14:29:08Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > “White privilege” really just boils down to the existence of White people in a majority White society. The only way to abolish it is to reduce Whites to a minority and force them to integrate with non-Whites, which will inevitably have the effect of assimilating Whites and blending them out of existence. Damn all this forced integration! Just the other day, I had to ride on a train with people a different color than me! I didn’t want to, but the government forced me to- a guy in a suit came to my door, put his gun to my head, and said “I’m from the government, and you must ride the train full of different color people”. I’m really getting tired of all the occasional murdering and forced integrating. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/207 "2013-04-11T14:29:30Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > I think the key phrase here is “babbling academic”. So, he doesn’t want any one checking “White” on the census form? He still seems a bit nutty to me. Perhaps I would change my mind if I read his books, though… I should say, rather, that he hopes for a future where ethnic categories on census forms are needless and irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/208 "2013-04-11T14:30:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > See post #188 – even **Noel Ignatiev** wants white people to continue to exist. No he doesn’t. If he did, he would not DEMAND that Whites be subjected to conditions of life that will lead to our destruction. Many posters seem to be under the impression that killing is necessary for genocide, which leads to my next point. The UN Convention on Genocide prohibits: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Raphael Lemkin invented the term "genocide,"by combining “genos” (race, people) and “cide” (to kill). Lemkin defined genocide as follows: “Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.” ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/209 "2013-04-11T14:32:24Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > …Many posters seem to be under the impression that killing is necessary for genocide, which leads to my next point. The UN Convention on Genocide prohibits:… > > Lemkin defined genocide as follows:… We need links to all your quotations. Some of us might care enough to discover the context.. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/210 "2013-04-11T14:33:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There is no such thing as accidental genocide . . . [Weeelllll . . .](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/995/why-did-so-many-native-americans-die-of-european-diseases-but-not-vice-versa) ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/211 "2013-04-11T14:33:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I should say, rather, that he hopes for a future where ethnic categories on census forms are needless and irrelevant. “Treat people like individuals.” Hey, great concept there! ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/212 "2013-04-11T14:35:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The entire point of genocide is that it’s intentional, and intent has to come from someone. Look at any definition of the term. There is no such thing as accidental genocide. If there’s no intent, you’re just using a hysterical term for demographic change. I’m not sure why you are bothering with this when you already said flat-out that there is a conspiracy behind this purported genocide, but maybe you’re expecting nobody will be impressed with the first claim and that the second represents an easier mark. Both claims are ludicrous and you’ve demonstrated neither. > > Sure you have. If you can do the “you refuse to see it” gambit, so can I. > > No. I don’t believe people can change each other’s minds that way, so I’ll settle for ridiculing your conspiracism and prejudice. You are just plain wrong sir. As I have already shown, there was no conspiracy to exterminate the aborigines, but it happened anyway. The latest research in genocide studies reveals that there is often no plan to exterminate a group. Rather, it just happens as a result of ethnic conflicts that get out of control. Settler colonialism, what you euphemize as “demographic change” when it happens to white people, is inherently genocidal because the new population seeks to replace the new. You can read about it here: [http://www.academia.edu/1608087/Colonial\_Dynamics\_of\_Genocide\_Imperialism\_Identity\_and\_Mass\_Violence](http://www.academia.edu/1608087/Colonial_Dynamics_of_Genocide_Imperialism_Identity_and_Mass_Violence) If you ridicule me, then you are admitting that you cannot refute me. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/213 "2013-04-11T14:36:01Z")
[The Master Speaks.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/91/will-all-humans-one-day-be-the-same-color) > [@](#): > > **Will all humans one day be the same color?** > > March 23, 1984 > > \*Dear Cecil: > > I seem to remember reading sometime in my childhood (but I can’t remember where . . . I bet you get a lot of letters like this) that given the present rate of interracial births, somewhere in the future–say, several hundred years–the entire human race will be the same color. Is this true? If it is, approximately what color will our descendants be? Will the makers of flesh-colored Band-Aids finally be able to settle on a shade that makes everybody happy? Most important of all, will we have to come up with a new reason for hating each other? > > — Absalom C., Phoenix\* > > Dear Absalom: > > Cecil is always happy to answer questions on racial topics, which give him the opportunity to alienate vast new segments of his already disgruntled readership. The likelihood is that widespread interracial mating would result in rapid (i.e., within several generations) lightening of skin tone among that portion of the population we now inaccurately call black. > > Cecil bases this statement on his anthropological researches in Brazil, where he conducted a combination field trip and all-night beach party several years ago. Racial mixing in Brazil is common and in fact has come to be a point of national pride there. This apparently traces back to the rabbitlike sexual proclivities of the original male Portuguese settlers, who liked dark-skinned women and who also were accustomed to assembling vast hierarchies of wives, mistresses, and concubines, with whom they cheerfully begat kids by the cartload. > > The story is told of one Correa (called by the Indians Caramuru, “man who makes lightning”), a European who may have been a castoff from one of the original exploring parties. He supposedly fathered an entire village full of people in the present-day state of Bahia, over which he presided as chief. > > The current population of Brazil exhibits an amazing variety of racial characteristics in every conceivable combination, including such novelties as the blond Afro. Skin tones range from very dark to very light. The belief among Brazilians, however, is that the population is “bleaching,” and in fact the percentage of inhabitants who describe themselves as white has been steadily increasing during Brazil’s history, even though a large percentage of such persons actually is of mixed ancestry. (Admittedly there has also been substantial immigration from Europe.) > > This is not to say that Brazil is necessarily headed toward some sort of national average, skin-tone-wise. While overt racial hostility is virtually unknown in the country, there is a widely shared feeling that a light skin is more desirable than a dark skin. > > For this reason, dark-skinned people make an effort to mate with lighter-skinned folks, with the result that the percentage of persons of pure-blooded African descent is small and in all likelihood steadily decreasing. On the other hand, the number of pure-blooded Europeans is sizable and likely to remain so. > > The upshot of all this, some think, is that eventually Brazil will probably have a fair number of pink people, a whole passel of brown people, and not very many black people. Cecil regrets to report that he failed to investigate the impact of this development on the Brazilian Band-Aid industry, but he promises to do so at the earliest opportunity. > > — Cecil Adams ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/214 "2013-04-11T14:37:21Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > They were just slowly pushed off their land, occasionally murdered, and assimilated by intermarriage, just exactly what is happening today to White people. Wait…sorry…but as a white person, exactly what parcels of land have my kind been pushed off of? I’d hate to accidentally try to buy a house somewhere where my race has been banned. And please don’t try to offer the example of Native American reservations, for the following reasons: -All of “this land” belonged to them first. We pushed THEM off it, and then grudgingly allowed them to keep a few worthless scraps. -As has been shown already, non-Native Americans are generally welcome to live on reservations. Also, “occasionally murdered”? Again, where are these occasional murders of white people for being white happening, so that I can avoid them? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/215 "2013-04-11T14:37:42Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I should say, rather, that he hopes for a future where ethnic categories on census forms are needless and irrelevant. Ignatiev is certainly controversial, but he doesn’t want to exterminate anybody. His [How the Irish Became White](http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415913845/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1365691001&sr=1-1) was fascinating. He’s talking about White Privilege, not melanin deficiency… Concerning those “[occasional murders](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians)” in Australia. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/216 "2013-04-11T14:38:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I should say, rather, that he hopes for a future where ethnic categories on census forms are needless and irrelevant. That is genocide. Suppose I say that I don’t mind Jews as long as they don’t call themselves Jews, make it a point to marry other Jews and raise Jewish children, or otherwise live and work with other Jews. What I am really saying is that I don’t want any Jews around. As Israeli Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman said: “Let’s face the truth. What Hitler - may his name and memory be forgotten - didn’t manage to do is happening in the Diaspora with its horrific assimilation.” [Let’s face the truth. What Hitler - may his name and memory be forgotten - didn’t manage to do is happening in the Diaspora with its horrific assimilation.“](Let’s face the truth. What Hitler - may his name and memory be forgotten - didn’t manage to do is happening in the Diaspora with its horrific assimilation.”) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/217 "2013-04-11T14:40:27Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > That is genocide. > > Suppose I say that I don’t mind Jews as long as they don’t call themselves Jews, make it a point to marry other Jews and raise Jewish children, or otherwise live and work with other Jews. Then, what you say has nothing in common with what Ignatiev says. He certainly does not want to ban intraracial marriage or association. He does not think in those terms at all. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/218 "2013-04-11T14:40:36Z")
Wait - do you believe that Native Americans are living where they chose to be, on their ancestral lands, rather than on the marginal lands that the US Government forced them to? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/219 "2013-04-11T14:41:16Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Many posters seem to be under the impression that killing is necessary for genocide, which leads to my next point. The UN Convention on Genocide prohibits: > > (a) Killing members of the group; > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. None of those other things are happening to white people qua white people either. > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > If you ridicule me, then you are admitting that you cannot refute me. No, I just acknowledge that you’re going to keep saying the same things no matter what anyone else says. This can’t be your first day as a “white survivalist.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/220 "2013-04-11T14:41:37Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > As Israeli Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman said: > > “Let’s face the truth. What Hitler - may his name and memory be forgotten - didn’t manage to do is happening in the Diaspora with its horrific assimilation.” > > [Let’s face the truth. What Hitler - may his name and memory be forgotten - didn’t manage to do is happening in the Diaspora with its horrific assimilation.“](Let’s face the truth. What Hitler - may his name and memory be forgotten - didn’t manage to do is happening in the Diaspora with its horrific assimilation.”) Some **Jews** are idiots, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=12)