# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/221 "2013-04-11T14:42:57Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Wait…sorry…but as a white person, exactly what parcels of land have my kind been pushed off of? I’d hate to accidentally try to buy a house somewhere where my race has been banned. And please don’t try to offer the example of Native American reservations, for the following reasons: > -All of “this land” belonged to them first. We pushed THEM off it, and then grudgingly allowed them to keep a few worthless scraps. > -As has been shown already, non-Native Americans are generally welcome to live on reservations. > > Also, “occasionally murdered”? Again, where are these occasional murders of white people for being white happening, so that I can avoid them? [Six hundred thousand](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9888310/Lets-talk-about-the-exodus-of-600000-whites-from-London.html) indigenous White British people have been run out of London in the past ten years. This is the same pattern of ethnic cleansing, called “white flight” by anti-whites who blame white people for moving to avoid non-white crime, that we have already seen in most major cities in the US. Whites are murdered all the time by non-whites. Sometimes, they even [admit](http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/state-to-see-death-penalty-in-beating-burning-death-with-video) the murder was racially motivated. Why do you condemn Whites pushing Native Americans off their land but condone the White genocide in places like Scandinavia, where whites have lived for thousands of years, much longer than the Native Americans have lived in North America? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/222 "2013-04-11T14:45:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Some **Jews** are idiots, too. You can call him an idiot, but you haven’t addressed the argument. That is, if I say I will only tolerate Jews who renounce their Jewishness and “assimilate” with non-Jews, what I am saying is that I won’t tolerate the continued existence of Jews. That’s genocide. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/223 "2013-04-11T14:47:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Then, what you say has nothing in common with what Ignatiev says. He certainly does not want to ban intraracial marriage or association. He does not think in those terms at all. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t want to ban intraracial marriages. He wants to demonize anyone who _makes it a point to teach their children to marry inside their race._ With whites being reduced to minority status in ALL white countries, what this means is that whites will be wiped out in a few generations. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/224 "2013-04-11T14:48:37Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Wait - do you believe that Native Americans are living where they chose to be, on their ancestral lands, rather than on the marginal lands that the US Government forced them to? As far as I know, Native Americans are free to leave their reservations whenever they like. They choose not to. Rather, they prefer to live in their own communities with their own people. Nobody calls them “Native American supremacists” for this. Why? Because there is no conspiracy to exterminate Native Americans by force assimilating them. This is only happening to White people. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/225 "2013-04-11T14:50:09Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Dr. Cube. > > Native Americans have reservations where they are allowed to live in peace and preserve their heritage. > > Anyone who demands that Native American reservations should be opened up to non-Indian residents on the grounds that non-Indians have a right to live anywhere they want is clearly showing that they do not value the existence of Native Americans and is therefore anti-Native American. > > Wouldn’t you agree? No. There is and should not be any law against living on a reservation if the land owner wants to sell or rent a place to you. There is and should not be any law against having a sexual relationship with Native Americans. Now, will you answer my question please? ---
**Author:** ![Scholar\_Beardpig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Scholar\_Beardpig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scholar_Beardpig)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/226 "2013-04-11T14:50:37Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t want to ban intraracial marriages. He wants to demonize anyone who _makes it a point to teach their children to marry inside their race._ > > With whites being reduced to minority status in ALL white countries, what this means is that whites will be wiped out in a few generations. Yes, but we’ll have lots and lots of children. So they’ll carry on. **White Survivalist,** how do you feel about the fact that all road signs in Shanghai are printed in Chinese and English? Do you think that the Chinese should take steps to halt the encroachment of English and of white culture in their society? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/227 "2013-04-11T14:50:55Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > [Six hundred thousand](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9888310/Lets-talk-about-the-exodus-of-600000-whites-from-London.html) indigenous White British people have been run out of London in the past ten years. This is the same pattern of ethnic cleansing, called “white flight” by anti-whites who blame white people for moving to avoid non-white crime, that we have already seen in most major cities in the US. > > Whites are murdered all the time by non-whites. Sometimes, they even [admit](http://www.northescambia.com/2013/04/state-to-see-death-penalty-in-beating-burning-death-with-video) the murder was racially motivated. > > Why do you condemn Whites pushing Native Americans off their land but condone the White genocide in places like Scandinavia, where whites have lived for thousands of years, much longer than the Native Americans have lived in North America? Yeah, we had a bunch of racists move to the 'burbs or the country when our cities were integrated. But they weren’t shoved onto trains & delivered to death camps. (And lots of whites are staying who “don’t count.” Because they come from other arts of Europe.) Those London property values are really plummeting, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/228 "2013-04-11T14:52:23Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > As far as I know, Native Americans are free to leave their reservations whenever they like. > > They choose not to. Rather, they prefer to live in their own communities with their own people. Nobody calls them “Native American supremacists” for this. Your knowledge Native Americans continues to be lacking. Many Native Americans leave their tribal lands, many choose to stay, and many are forced by economic necessity to stay (and others are forced by economic necessity to leave). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/229 "2013-04-11T14:53:29Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > That is, if I say I will only tolerate Jews who renounce their Jewishness and “assimilate” with non-Jews, what I am saying is that I won’t tolerate the continued existence of Jews. > > That’s genocide. Luckily, pretty much no one (including Ignatiev) is saying this. If you think they are, you are misinterpreting it. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/230 "2013-04-11T14:58:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > None of those other things are happening to white people qua white people either. > > No, I just acknowledge that you’re going to keep saying the same things no matter what anyone else says. This can’t be your first day as a “white survivalist.” Yes they are happening to White people. White people are being murdered on a daily basis, especially in South Africa. Nobody cares of course, because so-called “anti-racist” elites aren’t really anti-racist they’re just anti-white. There is a veritable epidemic of black-on-white rape that would trigger martial law if it were happening to any other race. In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man. What this means is that every day in the United States, over one hundred white women are raped or sexually assaulted by a black man. Since 2005, the feds haven’t been breaking it down quite so neatly. See [Table 42](http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf) of the 2005 edition of the BJS Criminal Victimization in the United States. Even pro-genocide [mainstream Norwegian television](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiVVvJIM5UI) has been forced to admit that ALL rapes in Norway are being committed by “non-Western immigrants”. The mainstream British media has finally been forced to [admit](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html)that the government and media has been deliberately covering for Pakistani rape victims who target white girls. You can make excuses claiming that there is not enough proof that these crimes are racially motivated, but it doesn’t really matter in the end, because these European governments continue to allow immigration of these people knowing that they are terrorizing their own native-born citizens. I will remind you that subsection (c) prohibits “deliberately subjecting a group to conditions of life calculating to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” Moreover, why are rare white on black attacks always presumed to be racially motivated by the media? George Zimmerman wasn’t even white but the mainstream media never-the-less used the incident to incite genocide against White people, prohibited under the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide Article III, subsection (c). ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/231 "2013-04-11T15:00:05Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > No. > > There is and should not be any law against living on a reservation if the land owner wants to sell or rent a place to you. There is and should not be any law against having a sexual relationship with Native Americans. > > Now, will you answer my question please? Then you are demanding that Native American reservations be abolished? Yes or no? The whole point of a Native American reservation is to exclude non-Natives. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/232 "2013-04-11T15:01:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Your knowledge Native Americans continues to be lacking. Many Native Americans leave their tribal lands, many choose to stay, and many are forced by economic necessity to stay (and others are forced by economic necessity to leave). Then you won’t mind if Native American reservations are abolished, right? If its “racist” to preserve your own ethnic heritage, then there is no point in their existence. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/233 "2013-04-11T15:03:32Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > The whole point of a Native American reservation is to exclude non-Natives. Actually, historically, the whole point of a Native American reservation is to get the Injuns off the **good** land. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/234 "2013-04-11T15:04:13Z")
Genocide means killing people. People have to die for genocide to occur. Demographic change is not genocide. Can we all agree on that, at least? If, instead of killing 6 million Jews, Hitler had simply allowed a bunch of Germans to move into Jewish neighborhoods, that wouldn’t have been a holocaust, and it wouldn’t have been genocide. **White Survivalist** , you’re just foolish for saying otherwise. **WS** , would you rather put up with some non-white neighbors (and perhaps in-laws), or be imprisoned, starved and gassed to death? Which is worse, and why? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/235 "2013-04-11T15:05:46Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Then you won’t mind if Native American reservations are abolished, right? > > If its “racist” to preserve your own ethnic heritage, then there is no point in their existence. The Tribal Lands are sovereign entities- they decide whether to disband or not. I defer to their judgement for their own lands. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/236 "2013-04-11T15:06:19Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > **WS** , would you rather put up with some non-white neighbors (and perhaps in-laws), or be imprisoned, starved and gassed to death? Which is worse, and why? Well, is it an all-white prison? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/237 "2013-04-11T15:07:12Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Yeah, we had a bunch of racists move to the 'burbs or the country when our cities were integrated. But they weren’t shoved onto trains & delivered to death camps. (And lots of whites are staying who “don’t count.” Because they come from other arts of Europe.) > > Those London property values are really plummeting, aren’t they? This is why setter colonialism is so unfair to the native population. When populations don’t get along, it is ALWAYS blamed on the natives, who have no power, which is why they have been colonized in the first place. You don’t need death camps for a finding of genocide. Settler colonialism is widely recognized by genocide scholars to be inherently genocidal without death camps or anything of the sort. Now, Whites are not leaving London because they are “racist”. They are leaving because they don’t want their sons to be [bullied to death](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283777/Boy-9-hanged-bullied-white.html) or the daughters to be [gang raped](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html) by immigrants. The multicultural state must repress any political advocacy on behalf of the native White population to prevent them from organizing a resistance to their own genocide, which is why the BNP was ignored when they tried to bring attention to this issue years ago. As a result of official repression of White political rights, [Charlene](http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2013/01/21/the-quadruple-tragedy-of-charlene-downes-ten-years-on/) Downes was cut up for kebab meat and served to customers for dinner. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/238 "2013-04-11T15:07:56Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > The whole point of a Native American reservation is to exclude non-Natives. You are, yet again, wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/239 "2013-04-11T15:08:06Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Then you are demanding that Native American reservations be abolished? Yes or no? The whole point of a Native American reservation is to exclude non-Natives. No, and you’re wrong. The whole point of reservations is that the US stole an entire continent from some people and decided centuries later to honor one or two treaties we made with them by giving a tiny amount of land back. Reservations are not zoos. And what is your goal? Anti-miscegenation laws? Totally sealed borders? Deportation of non-whites? Or do racists just want to feel less shitty about being racist? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/240 "2013-04-11T15:08:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The Tribal Lands are sovereign entities- they decide whether to disband or not. I defer to their judgement for their own lands. Ethnic protectionism is the one and only purpose of sovereignty. Native American reservations have no purpose but ethnic protectionism, i.e. what you call “racism.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=13)