# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/261 "2013-04-11T15:50:57Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > This is why setter colonialism is so unfair to the native population. When populations don’t get along, it is ALWAYS blamed on the natives, who have no power, which is why they have been colonized in the first place. > > You don’t need death camps for a finding of genocide. > > Settler colonialism is widely recognized by genocide scholars to be inherently genocidal without death camps or anything of the sort. > > Now, Whites are not leaving London because they are “racist”. They are leaving because they don’t want their sons to be [bullied to death](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283777/Boy-9-hanged-bullied-white.html) or the daughters to be [gang raped](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html) by immigrants. > > The multicultural state must repress any political advocacy on behalf of the native White population to prevent them from organizing a resistance to their own genocide, which is why the BNP was ignored when they tried to bring attention to this issue years ago. As a result of official repression of White political rights, [Charlene](http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2013/01/21/the-quadruple-tragedy-of-charlene-downes-ten-years-on/) Downes was cut up for kebab meat and served to customers for dinner. I’m white and have lived in London for well over ten years and frankly your hysterical description of Whites being “run out” is at extreme odds with reality. In fact not even the author of that piece says they’ve been “run out”; to be honest, he doesn’t really say anything at all other than movement is happening, it’s probably for bad reasons he can’t articulate and he doesn’t like the BBC much. Which is pretty much par for the course for the Telegraph. The major factor driving movement in the Southeast is house prices, not headlong flight to escape the evil non-whites (especially considering that the biggest immigrant wave in the last decade was from Poland). You’ll note that the author of that opinion piece distinguishes “White British” from “Eastern European”, even though Eastern Europeans are pretty damn white too. And you’ll also note that he also focuses on the East End (Bethnal Green, Barking, Dagenham) which has been the scene of new waves of immigrants displacing old ones going back to the Hugeunots. He, like you, is selecting a few random factoids, taking them out of context, and implying something unsupported by any real evidence. But please do continue to cherry-pick a few tragic anecdotal cases and claim that they somehow represent a trend. It only serves to illustrate the weakness of your arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/262 "2013-04-11T15:54:19Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > White people have never wanted their children reduced to minority status, but it never mattered because we were never given any say so about whether we wanted to be exterminated or not. I am not quite sure what you mean. I don’t want my children to be reduced to minority status, but they are both a different race than I am. So I guess you could say that I am participating in my own genocide. But I did have a choice in the matter. And both are just as much a part of American culture as I am, because they were raised that way. So they aren’t going to change the American culture - they are perpetuating the best parts of it. So perhaps we are going to be wiped off the face of the planet, but the perpetrators are quite cute and charming, and basically, no harm done that I can see. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/263 "2013-04-11T15:55:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The major factor driving movement in the Southeast is house prices, not headlong flight to escape the evil non-whites (especially considering that the biggest immigrant wave in the last decade was from Poland). You’ll note that the author of that opinion piece distinguishes “White British” from “Eastern European”, even though Eastern Europeans are pretty damn white too. I wouldn’t be surprised at all that the reason that clown doesn’t consider the Whites from Poland to “really” be White is because they’re likely to be **gasp** (I’m afraid I’ll be getting a case of the vapors, but I’ll say it anyway) Roman Catholic. :eek: I mean, it’s not all that rare for racists to be bigots of more than one stripe. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/264 "2013-04-11T15:55:33Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Nonsense. White people have never wanted their children reduced to minority status, but it never mattered because we were never given any say so about whether we wanted to be exterminated or not. Demographic changes are not genocide, not extermination. For most Americans, at least, increasing diversity is celebrated, or at least treated neutrally. If all the white people wanted something to happen, in either the USA or the UK, there are still enough of them to make up a majority. It sounds like you’re just whining that most white people don’t feel the same way as you. > [@](#): > > “Bigot” just means White people who want White people to continue to exist. You are incorrect about what “bigot” means. > [@](#): > > There are no “anti-racists” spying on black churches demanding that they become more “diverse” and getting congregants fired if they say they like attending church with other blacks. Most black churches allow anyone to join their congregation. The ones that don’t are generally laughed at and ignored. > [@](#): > > Not for long. Barack Obama has decided that directing the education of your own children is [not a fundamental right](http://www.christianpost.com/news/homeschooling-not-a-fundamental-right-justice-dept-argues-90039/). Another misinterpretation of events, what a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/265 "2013-04-11T15:55:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > What’s the name of the country that is occupying White World (or whatever) and trying to wipe out its culture through forced immigration? Come on now - you said there was a conspiracy, so tells us about it!! No fair holding out on us. You don’t need a country. Treasonous international elites are more than sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Scholar\_Beardpig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Scholar\_Beardpig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scholar_Beardpig)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/266 "2013-04-11T15:57:00Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > I respect the right of all peoples and cultures of the world to preserve their heritage. > > Why is the Dalai Lama a national hero and revered spiritual leader for opposing the genocide of the Tibetan people by forced integration with Han Chinese colonists in their own traditional homeland, but we White preservations are “racists” and “bigots” for opposing the EXACT SAME POLICIES? Because when discussing the relative status vis-a-vis the Hans and the Tibetans, the disparity in power and number is so absurd, so utterly, laughably one-sided that it makes any talk of parity or fairness nonsensical, whether discussed in modern contexts or in the context of 50 or 100 or 200 years ago. Like it or not, we ‘white people’ - people who speak and whose ancestors spoke Germanic, Scandinavian, or Romance languages, and whose ancestors were predominantly Protestant or Roman Catholic - we spend centuries striding over the world like an absolute colossus, and in almost all cases, this ended very well for us - or some of us - and very badly for all of them. The scars of that activity still persist to this day. That’s the difference. That’s why it’s okay for some people to insist on their own neighborhoods but not okay for others - because some cultures and communities, without their own neighborhoods, will go extinct. Ours is not one of them. It’s like surgery. You can’t establish an axiomatic position that ‘nobody should ever cut another person with a knife’ or ‘nobody should ever be forbidden from cutting another person with a knife.’ It’s all about circumstance and need. And again - the problem that you are describing doesn’t exist. When people come to America, their children will be well-assimilated and their grandchildren totally assimilated. We aren’t turning into them; they’re turning into us. Also, where are the borders of the white race? For the purposes of this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/267 "2013-04-11T15:58:10Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > It doesn’t matter that they weren’t shoved onto trains. Ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity. White Brits were driven out of London by non-white crime, especially rape gangs targeting little white girls. > > Moreover, if you are celebrating “diverse” suburbs, you are saying you like diversity. But if you like diversity, why do you support White genocide? > > Is ethnic diversity a good thing or not? > > Or is jt just a good thing when it means less White people? > > When anti-whites like you talk about “diversity”, you are just using that as a euphemism for White genocide. Glad we’ve had an actual Brit weigh in to point out your errors there. You’re not as illiterate as the OP, but your comprehension is still deficient. There’s no White Genocide. If you want more white people, find a white girl, marry her & breed… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/268 "2013-04-11T15:58:53Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Ethnic protectionism is the one and only purpose of sovereignty. Actually, sovereignty is a much, much older concept. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/269 "2013-04-11T16:00:14Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Just curious, > > I wonder if I had children with my ex, who is from Spain and decidedly brown(Manchega). Would our children be “White”? Hell am I “White”? I have some Native American(Alabama Coushatta and Apache, maternal great-great Grandmothers). What is “White”? Who is “White”? > > I know I am essentially asking what **Ibn Warraq** and others are asking, but I have no real clear idea what “White” means. > > AIUI, Stormfront and kin exclude Jews, Slavs and Catholics, anything else? > > **Capt** I am bumping my own question because I would like a definition of what constitutes “White” by either the OP or **WS** Without this info I cannot figure out if I am a Genocidee or Genocider (are so words) Please clarify **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/270 "2013-04-11T16:00:18Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m white and have lived in London for well over ten years and frankly your hysterical description of Whites being “run out” is at extreme odds with reality. In fact not even the author of that piece says they’ve been “run out”; to be honest, he doesn’t really say anything at all other than movement is happening, it’s probably for bad reasons he can’t articulate and he doesn’t like the BBC much. Which is pretty much par for the course for the Telegraph. > > The major factor driving movement in the Southeast is house prices, not headlong flight to escape the evil non-whites (especially considering that the biggest immigrant wave in the last decade was from Poland). You’ll note that the author of that opinion piece distinguishes “White British” from “Eastern European”, even though Eastern Europeans are pretty damn white too. And you’ll also note that he also focuses on the East End (Bethnal Green, Barking, Dagenham) which has been the scene of new waves of immigrants displacing old ones going back to the Hugeunots. He, like you, is selecting a few random factoids, taking them out of context, and implying something unsupported by any real evidence. > > But please do continue to cherry-pick a few tragic anecdotal cases and claim that they somehow represent a trend. It only serves to illustrate the weakness of your arguments. Saying Indigenous Whites are only being driven out because of house prices is rather like saying the aborigines were only driven off their lands because of demand for cattle grazing pastures. Settler colonialism is recognized by genocide scholars as being inherently genocidal because the native population is being systematically replaced. Now, these are not cherry-picked anecdotes, these are trends that are in place all over the Western World. Just recently, the BBC was even celebrating White genocide in [Poland](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20714006). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/271 "2013-04-11T16:04:12Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You don’t need a country. Treasonous international elites are more than sufficient. Do these “treasonous international elites” share any characteristics? Like any particular ethnic or religious background? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/272 "2013-04-11T16:05:14Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > I am bumping my own question because I would like a definition of what constitutes “White” by either the OP or **WS** > > Without this info I cannot figure out if I am a Genocidee or Genocider (are so words) > > Please clarify > > **Capt** Just recently, the city of Pheonix decided that there were[too many White lifeguards](http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175571277/in-phoenix-a-new-quest-for-diverse-public-pool-lifeguards), so they went to “minority” high schools to recruit non-whites who can’t even swim to replace these lifeguards. Why don’t you ask them who’s white? Not too long ago, the police force in London was said to be “[stubbornly white](http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3663329.ece).” Why don’t you ask this author how he knows who is white and who isn’t. You White genocide supporters never tell anti-whites there is no such thing as a white race when they are attacking us. You only do that when whites try to defend ourselves. Moreover, you never ask Jewish advocates “Who’s Jewish?” You never ask black advocates, “Who’s black?” You never ask La Raza (“The Race”) activists “Who’s Hispanic”? No, you only do that to White people because you support White genocide and don’t want Whites to be able to organize a resistance to our own extermination. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/273 "2013-04-11T16:05:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do these “treasonous international elites” share any characteristics? Like any particular ethnic or religious background? And have their nefarious plans ever been documented? 😉 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/274 "2013-04-11T16:06:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do these “treasonous international elites” share any characteristics? Like any particular ethnic or religious background? No. There are white ones, black ones, Asian ones, and Jewish ones. These latter being the most numerous. What is your point? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/275 "2013-04-11T16:06:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So perhaps we are going to be wiped off the face of the planet, but the perpetrators are quite cute and charming, and basically, no harm done that I can see. And I for one welcome our new cute and charming **Shodan** Jr. overlords. > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You don’t need a country. Treasonous international elites are more than sufficient. So it’s actually not like the China and Tibet thing. And you’re still not explaining the international elite conspiracy thing. Who’s doing it and why? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/276 "2013-04-11T16:06:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do these “treasonous international elites” share any characteristics? Like any particular ethnic or religious background? Let me guess. They’re swarthy, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/277 "2013-04-11T16:07:25Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Moreover, you never ask Jewish advocates “Who’s Jewish?” Hey **FinnAgain** - who’s Jewish? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/278 "2013-04-11T16:07:36Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > No. There are white ones, black ones, Asian ones, and Jewish ones. These latter being the most numerous. So there are more Jewish “treasonous international elites” than white, black, and Asians? Is this an absolute majority, or just a plurality? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/279 "2013-04-11T16:08:31Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > No. There are white ones, black ones, Asian ones, and Jewish ones. These latter being the most numerous. > > What is your point? The point is that you’re dangerously close to storming into, through the front door of course, whacked-out nut-job conspiracy theory territory. Oops, my mistake. You already went there. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/280 "2013-04-11T16:08:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And have their nefarious plans ever been documented? > > 😉 > > Regards, > Shodan Already answered upthread. Here is a quote by an anti-White Jew who wants to reduce Australia to a colony of China: “The strengthening of multicultural or diverse Australia is also our most effective insurance policy against anti-Semitism. The day Australia has a Chinese Australian Governor General I would be more confident of my freedom to live as a Jewish Australian.” -Miriam Faine, editor of the Australian Jewish Democrat [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=15)