# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/301 "2013-04-11T16:41:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > **Any more.** True, Maybe the 150-200 years is too long of a window. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/302 "2013-04-11T16:46:11Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Moreover, you never ask Jewish advocates “Who’s Jewish?” That’s because we debate “who is a Jew” endlessly among ourselves. When, ya know, we’re not trying to exterminate your robust and enduring unified White Culture that somehow can’t handle cute non-white chicks. Might I suggest, instead of racism, yoga? > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > No. There are white ones, black ones, Asian ones, and Jewish ones. These latter being the most numerous. I am thoroughly shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked. Just for that, at this week’s meeting in the graveyard, I’m going to suggest that in addition to organizing the GENOCIDE OF ALL WHITE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE!! (EXCEPT JEWS!!!), we should also do away with Nascar and Country Music. Take that, White America! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/303 "2013-04-11T16:49:58Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Yes it is. You are just denying it because you agree with it and want it to continue. No, but we can agree to disagree. I guess you’re unable to answer what rough proportion of Jews makes up the “treasonous international elite”, or how you know that Jews are disproportionately represented. I take your inability to answer as evidence that you have no evidence for these claims about Jews. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/304 "2013-04-11T16:54:14Z")
What do the elite have to gain from the browning of whites? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/305 "2013-04-11T16:54:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, but we can agree to disagree. I guess you’re unable to answer what rough proportion of Jews makes up the “treasonous international elite”, or how you know that Jews are disproportionately represented. I take your inability to answer as evidence that you have no evidence for these claims about Jews. Or how an international elite coordinates rapes on a street level (as opposed to during something like a military occupation). That raises some bizarre questions. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/306 "2013-04-11T16:56:36Z")
Nah, we have wifi. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/307 "2013-04-11T16:57:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I note you haven’t addressed my point. Possibly you didn’t understand it. > > Both my children are different from me racially. Both of them are fully American in their culture. Are they engaging in genocide against whites, or not? > > Need answer fast - my daughter will be home from school shortly, and I need to know whether or not to let her borrow the car. > > Regards, > Shodan No, they’re not. Your children are not responsible for White genocide. What is your point? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/308 "2013-04-11T16:58:40Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > What do the elite have to gain from the browning of whites? It keeps them juicy on the inside. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/309 "2013-04-11T17:00:33Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Just for that, at this week’s meeting in the graveyard, I’m going to suggest that in addition to organizing the GENOCIDE OF ALL WHITE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE!! (EXCEPT JEWS!!!), we should also do away with Nascar and Country Music. Take that, White America! Commence with the Berrying of the Halle! ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/310 "2013-04-11T17:00:33Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > And the other communities? Why are they not equally destroyed? Answer: because this is some jacked up logic. > > And I don’t know or care who either Putnam nor Lemkin are. The other communities are not being force assimilated. Nobody is demanding assimilation for every single black neighborhood, church, and school in the country. Nobody is demanding massive non-black immigration into every black country. Nobody is forcing “diversity” on anyone other than White people. This is a simple fact. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/311 "2013-04-11T17:02:41Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > No, they’re not. Your children are not responsible for White genocide. What is your point? That you don’t seem to be able to come up with a consistent position. You seem to believe that demographic change is genocide. Immigration is part of demographic change. So, immigrants must be engaged in genocide. And you claim to think (to use a term loosely) that there are shadowy elites pushing for white (sorry, White) genocide. Which of these elites forced me to cooperate in this genocide that nobody sees but you? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/312 "2013-04-11T17:04:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Demographic changes are not genocide, not extermination. For most Americans, at least, increasing diversity is celebrated, or at least treated neutrally. If all the white people wanted something to happen, in either the USA or the UK, there are still enough of them to make up a majority. It sounds like you’re just whining that most white people don’t feel the same way as you. Nobody ever asks White people what we think about anything. The mainsteam media will not allow White advocates a chance to address the White public about what is good for white people. > [@](#): > > You are incorrect about what “bigot” means. No I’m not. Anyone who says they want White people to continue to exist is considered a “racist” or a “bigot” or a “white supremacist.” This thread proves it. > [@](#): > > Most black churches allow anyone to join their congregation. The ones that don’t are generally laughed at and ignored. Your statement proves that black churches exist and are tolerated. You would never concede the existence of any White church. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/313 "2013-04-11T17:05:06Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > The other communities are not being force assimilated. Nobody is demanding assimilation for every single black neighborhood, church, and school in the country. > > Nobody is demanding massive non-black immigration into every black country. > > Nobody is forcing “diversity” on anyone other than White people. This is a simple fact. Nobody is forcing “diversity” on white people, either. White people can go live where they want, in general- and in general, non-white people can go live where they want. You’re complaining because most white people have no problem (or even prefer) living in diverse communities. Unfortunately for you, white survivalists (and white nationalists, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, etc), are part of a declining minority- even among white people. Why should the majority change to fit the desires of the diminishing minority of people that think like you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/314 "2013-04-11T17:09:07Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Nobody ever asks White people what we think about anything. The mainsteam media will not allow White advocates a chance to address the White public about what is good for white people. “White advocates” have the same freedom of speech as everyone else (at least in America)- unfortunately, they’re largely very bad at persuading people, and at speech in general, so they’re mostly ignored and laughed at. > [@](#): > > No I’m not. Anyone who says they want White people to continue to exist is considered a “racist” or a “bigot” or a “white supremacist.” This thread proves it. I’m for not killing all white people. There, I said it… let’s see if anyone calls me a bigot! > [@](#): > > Your statement proves that black churches exist and are tolerated. You would never concede the existence of any White church. White churches exist too, and are tolerated. Any black church that prohibits white people from attending is marginalized and mocked, just like any white church that prohibits black people from attending. I’m not black, and I’ve attended a few black churches- overwhelmingly they were welcoming and generous to me. So were the white churches I attended. I’ve never knowingly been to a church that didn’t allow people of a particular color… such churches are extremely rare. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/315 "2013-04-11T17:11:22Z")
> [@Scholar\_Beardpig](#): > > Because when discussing the relative status vis-a-vis the Hans and the Tibetans, the disparity in power and number is so absurd, so utterly, laughably one-sided that it makes any talk of parity or fairness nonsensical, whether discussed in modern contexts or in the context of 50 or 100 or 200 years ago. > > Like it or not, we ‘white people’ - people who speak and whose ancestors spoke Germanic, Scandinavian, or Romance languages, and whose ancestors were predominantly Protestant or Roman Catholic - we spend centuries striding over the world like an absolute colossus, and in almost all cases, this ended very well for us - or some of us - and very badly for all of them. The scars of that activity still persist to this day. That’s the difference. That’s why it’s okay for some people to insist on their own neighborhoods but not okay for others - because some cultures and communities, without their own neighborhoods, will go extinct. Ours is not one of them. > > It’s like surgery. You can’t establish an axiomatic position that ‘nobody should ever cut another person with a knife’ or ‘nobody should ever be forbidden from cutting another person with a knife.’ It’s all about circumstance and need. > > And again - the problem that you are describing doesn’t exist. When people come to America, their children will be well-assimilated and their grandchildren totally assimilated. We aren’t turning into them; they’re turning into us. > > Also, where are the borders of the white race? For the purposes of this discussion. You have clearly stated here that you are not an egalitarian. You are not an “anti-racist” who believes in equal rights. You believe in special rights for some privileged groups only. You justify this with the usual White guilt claptrap. Your guilt trip is totally unwarranted as White colonialism has been mostly [beneficial](http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/Ross_Levine/other%20files/European_Origins.pdf) to non-whites. While this does not justify colonialism, it does mean that there are no damages for which Whites must atone by allowing ourselves to be exterminated by assimilation with unceasing waves of non-white colonial settlers in our own homelands. Now, it is preposterous to say that “they are turning into us” when White traits are recessive. Moreover, they are not really even assimilating. They are changing the culture. That is the whole point of multiculturalism. It is a double standard that respects the right of settlers to cherish their heritage while requiring the native population to cheerfully look on as their own culture dies. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/316 "2013-04-11T17:11:51Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Nobody ever asks White people what we think about anything. You have been asking White people what they think of your position, I hope we have been clear about our reaction. > [@](#): > > Your statement proves that black churches exist and are tolerated. You would never concede the existence of any White church. I don’t think “concede” is the word you are looking for. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/317 "2013-04-11T17:20:15Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > You betcha. I unequivocally condemn Bigotry in all it’s forms, yes even anti white bigotry. I have even accused my Congress Critter, Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Houston) of anti white bigotry. Fair enough? > > Now, I am of Scot/German descent with a little Native American, am I “White”? Carmen and I have children, she is Spanish(Manchega) are our children “White”? > > Are Catholics “White”? Slavs? > > Enquiring Minds want to know > > **Capt** If you condemn anti-white bigotry, then you are acknowledging that it exists. If non-whites can just as easily be racist as non-whites, then you have acknowledged that becoming a racial minority is not in the best interests of the White population. [Ron Unz](http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/) recently revealed that Whites are a “beleaguered minority” at Harvard, representing only 20% of the student population, even though Whites comprise nearly 70% of the high-achieving applicant pool from which such students are drawn. On the other hand, Jews are 25% of the student body, wildly overrepresented even when controlled for academic achievement. [Carolyn Chen](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/asians-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html) thinks Asians should be a majority in the Ivy Leagues because they are racially superior. Alabama state representative[Joe Mitchel](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300114/Joseph-Mitchell-Alabama-lawmaker-emails-racist-rant-gun-rights-constituent-entire-state-legislature.html) despises White people. Now, given that non-whites are willing to discriminate against White people out of hatred and bigotry, how can you justify deliberately reducing White children to minority status in ALL white countries. Now, a White person is a person of European descent. You can get a DNA test to find out, if as you claim, you cannot tell by looking in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/318 "2013-04-11T17:22:22Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You have been asking White people what they think of your position, > > I hope we have been clear about our reaction.I don’t think “concede” is the word you are looking for. > > Regards, > Shodan You are a vocal, posturing, self-righteous minority. You claim to represent most Whites, but since any other position is effectively criminalized, we don’t really know now do we? Unless and until we have an open dialogue about White genocide, and whether its good for White people or not, then I will assume that most White people, unlike you, don’t agree with it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/319 "2013-04-11T17:26:08Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You are a vocal, posturing, self-righteous minority. I am NOT a minority. > [@](#): > > Unless and until we have an open dialogue about White genocide, and whether its good for White people or not, then I will assume that most White people, unlike you, don’t agree with it. Isn’t that what we are doing now? Having an open dialog? In which everyone winds up laughing at you, if they don’t start off that way? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/320 "2013-04-11T17:29:04Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Now, a White person is a person of European descent. You can get a DNA test to find out, if as you claim, you cannot tell by looking in the mirror. So pretty much all Hispanic people are white, then, and most black people in North and South America are white. Or can one not be white and Hispanic, or white and black at the same time? How much non-European ancestry disqualifies someone from being white? I need to know because the vast majority of people have some sort of mixed ancestry… very, very few people have “pure” ancestry of any sort, so I need to know which people who are claiming to be white are actually not white. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=17)