# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/401 "2013-04-11T20:02:56Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > No it isn’t. It just seems that way because people mistake Jews for whites. Jews aren’t white? How much Jewish ancestry disqualifies one from being white? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/402 "2013-04-11T20:03:24Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > No it isn’t. It just seems that way because people mistake Jews for whites. Er…please explain why Jews of European descent aren’t whites? Considering the fact that the American government and most of the American public has always considered them white(though they certainly encountered prejudice) that makes very little sense. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/403 "2013-04-11T20:04:23Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > The point is you are not allowed any political representation whatsoever. There are political advocacy organizations for blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Jews, even though the latter two groups are wealthier and more “privileged” than Whites, but White advocacy organizations are silenced and excluded. > > I guess that’s what you anti-whites call “equality.” Why should I _need_ a “white” advocacy group? There are various Irish-American groups available, if I felt the need. The only problem my ancestry has caused is the absolute need to wear sunscreen–especially here in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/404 "2013-04-11T20:11:47Z")
I still need someone to explain to me, perhaps, who is forcing people to marry and have children with non-whites? All that’s required for the White Race (OMG!) to remain viable is for you guys to not find non-whites so unabashedly attractive. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/405 "2013-04-11T20:18:01Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > The point is you are not allowed any political representation whatsoever. 95 U.S. Senators, around 90% of the House, every Supreme Court justice until 1967 and every president until 2009 are no representation whatsoever. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/406 "2013-04-11T20:20:08Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Ok I am going to try this again > > I look “White”, light skin, blue eyes, blonde/gray hair. Scot/German plus Native American from 2 great great grandmothers(full blood). Am I “White”? > > I really want to know about my potential children with the Spanish Mother, she has brownish skin, dark eyes and hair and can trace her Spanish lineage back several hundred years. > > In your opinion, am I white? Is she? How about our children? > > **Capt** > > Also please explain what a DNA test will tell me WRT my whiteness And again, just answer the question. What in your definition is White? Am I denied White status because my blood is tainted? Are Aryans the only true white people? Where do you draw the line or lines? Please quit avoiding this question, you have been asked by many here besides me, just tell us what in your opinion constitutes the “white race”. **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/407 "2013-04-11T20:27:30Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > 95 U.S. Senators, around 90% of the House, every Supreme Court justice until 1967 and every president until 2009 are no representation whatsoever. Got it. True, but he has yet to define “white”. The closest he’s come to is claiming that “Jews aren’t white”. I suppose if he also started insisting that say “Slavs” “Italians” or “Irish” aren’t white then I guess, by his logic, the stats you gave are inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/408 "2013-04-11T20:28:15Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Er…please explain why Jews of European descent aren’t whites? Because it’s Thursday. That makes as much as any other explanation you’re going to get, and it’s as consistent, too. I guess the Irish are A-OK as white people these days, but some people still can’t decide if European-descended Jews are in the club or not. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/409 "2013-04-11T20:37:23Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > [Ron Unz](http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/) recently revealed that Whites are a “beleaguered minority” at Harvard, representing only 20% of the student population, even though Whites comprise nearly 70% of the high-achieving applicant pool from which such students are drawn. On the other hand, Jews are 25% of the student body, wildly overrepresented even when controlled for academic achievement. 5% Ethiopian Jews is quite hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/410 "2013-04-11T20:37:56Z")
Perhaps he needs some recovery time. After all, he complained about the SCLC’s characterization of Aryan Nation: > [@](#): > > Any group that advocates for White people is a “neo-Nazi”. That way, anything the group ever says about anything can be simply dismissed out of hand, without regard to the merits. Then went off on an anti-Semitic tangent. Not the best way to avoid the “neo-Nazi” accusation! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/411 "2013-04-11T20:38:34Z")
“When I first heard this I was skeptical” is code for “I lapped it up eagerly from the get-go”.\* \*famously associated with those who report being initially skeptical about colon cleansing, ear candling or other forms of woo, but who later Saw The Light. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/412 "2013-04-11T20:41:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Jews aren’t white? How much Jewish ancestry disqualifies one from being white? Because Jews are [lineally descended from Satan.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Christian_Identity) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/413 "2013-04-11T20:42:55Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > No it won’t. Not unless whites start marrying each other and having white babies. They are doing that **now.** Doing a **lot** of it. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/414 "2013-04-11T21:06:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They are doing that **now.** Doing a **lot** of it. I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![EverwonderWhy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EverwonderWhy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EverwonderWhy)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/415 "2013-04-11T21:11:42Z")
This is the only attempt by **WS** to articulate a definition of a “White person” (that I could find): > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Now, a White person is a person of European descent. You can get a DNA test to find out, if as you claim, you cannot tell by looking in the mirror. Despite repeated requests for clarification on what constitutes “White”, \*\* WS’s\*\* dodges answering by saying s/he won’t define it until we all agree that “White genocide” exists. How does that work, exactly, if “White” is not clearly defined? So again, if ‘whiteness’ can only be _definitively_ determined by a DNA test, how much European DNA (percentage-wise) makes one white? By your standard, should people only associate with people once they have proven their DNA ancestry? Are you advocating for some kind of master registry? Or does one merely have to appear of European descent and only those of questionable appearance must opt for a DNA test? Does Sicilian, Maltese, Greek, Slav, etc, count as European? Which takes precedence in determining “whiteness” - appearance or DNA? What if someone doesn’t appear “white”, but a DNA test proves they have European ancestry? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/416 "2013-04-11T21:38:05Z")
> [@EverwonderWhy](#): > > So again, if ‘whiteness’ can only be _definitively_ determined by a DNA test, how much European DNA (percentage-wise) makes one white? Worse yet if he’s operating on the one-drop rule. You might have a single non-European ancestor from whom you inherit no measurable amount of genetic material yet still be non-white. And is that non-modern day European? It’s a bit probabilistic, but it’s likely everybody in the modern world (except maybe for some uncontacted groups in far flung parts of the world) have at least one Asian or African ancestor from 2000-3000 years ago. The silk road’s been in operation for a long time. And the Huns and Mongols did their work, too, not to mention the Arabs and Ottomans (it does work in reverse, too, of course). So, what’s the cutoff on either the one-drop rule and historicity of non-European ancestors? There clearly has to be one or nobody passes any proposed rule. So far, we only have a case of “I know it when I see it”. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/417 "2013-04-11T21:43:59Z")
> [@](#): > > You didn’t show any coordinated plan intended to annihilate white people. And elsewhere you argued that you didn’t even need to demonstrate that there was a plan because it’s still genocide if it doesn’t happen on purpose. The coordinated plan to annihilate White people is evident in the very multicultural ideology of the “proposition nation” currently being foisted upon ALL White countries The very notion that “there are no white countries” by itself completely negates the very existence of White nations. Too see how this works, consider that non-whites are actually making noise about changing Australia’s [flag](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269668/Could-Australias-new-flag-New-national-banner-proposed-Down-Under-bid-countrys-British-heritage.html) in order to “move on” from Australia’s “racist” (white) past. Australians are told that Australia is [“part of Asia”](http://asiancentury.dpmc.gov.au/?goback=%2Egde_4652939_member_179719360) and therefore the replacement of White Australians whose ancestors built the country with Chinese is only natural, and they should graciously fade away into oblivion. Indeed, Asians [demand](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/1444829/Australia-told-it-has-too-many-whites-to-be-part-of-Asia.html) the right to take possession of Australia as a condition of normal trade relations. This is the same crap that is happening in ALL white countries. I will remind you once again of Lemkin’s definition of genocide: “Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.” Meanwhile, the aborigines are being granted land rights so that they can preserve their culture and heritage, while the White Australians who built the country and made it so attractive get nothing but extermination. > [@](#): > > That contradicts the widely understood meaning of genocide in a very obvious way and it totally contradicts Lemke, so you undermined your own citations and arguments in the process. No it doesn’t. The destruction of the aborigines is widely held to be genocide even though there was never any centralized colonial conspiracy to destroy them. There is clear evidence of a conspiracy to turn all white countries brown through mass non-white immigration. It doesn’t matter that you think multicultural elites meant well or were just trying to create some sort of rainbow utopia. Motive is irrelevant to intent. > [@](#): > > You didn’t show anything that meets the UN Convention’s definition either. Sure I did. > [@](#): > > You made some noises about white people South Africa (where I am sure black people are getting killed more often than white people at any rate) but didn’t show how that illustrates any larger issue related to white people and you offered a weird tangent into interracial rapes that appeared to show black women get raped more often than white women. Your lack of awareness about the dire situation of White South Africans is proof in itself that the MSM HATE whites and will do nothing to help them no matter what happens. Even left-wing Genocide Watch [acknowledges](http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/12326-south-africa-facing-white-genocide-total-communist-takeover) the seriousness of the situation. The blood of innocent white children such as [Amaro Viana](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/amaro-viana-drowned-boiling-water-robbers-_n_1706508.html), who was boiled alive after watching the butchering of his parents, is on the hands of all “anti-racists” who repress White political activism. In a healthy society where Whites were taught to help rather than hate eachother, he might have been granted asylum and his family might be alive today. It doesn’t matter that black people kill each other too. That doesn’t change the fact that targeted mass murder is genocide even under your restrictive definition of genocide. Moreover, the fact that black women get raped more often than white women has nothing whatsoever to do with genocide under subsection (b) of Article III of the UN Convention on Genocide either. If white men started raping black women by the tens of thousands, that would be genocide \*under international law no matter how many White women are also raped by White men. \* ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/418 "2013-04-11T21:48:22Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Er…please explain why Jews of European descent aren’t whites? > > Considering the fact that the American government and most of the American public has always considered them white(though they certainly encountered prejudice) that makes very little sense. Jews do not consider themselves White. They identify with and advocate for non-whites: The Jewish community has always worked on the premise that as a minority, our security, our strength, our well being in America is interdependent with those of other minorities. This is a Jewish issue. It’s very much a Jewish issue.-[Ann Schaffer](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43eC1rZNJvg), director of the American Jewish Committee’s Belfer Center for American Pluralism Then, they claim to be white when they want to hog the White quota in universities and workplaces. Their identity is up to them. They look White to me, but this BS of trying to have it both ways is outrageous. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/419 "2013-04-11T21:51:46Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Jews do not consider themselves White. Wow- in addition to being wrong about nearly everything, you can read minds too? Or only Jewish minds? Tell me more about the beliefs of every single member of a group of millions. > [@](#): > > They look White to me, but this BS of trying to have it both ways is outrageous. Ahh, so being white is about how you look? I thought it was about having European ancestry (how much European ancestry, by the way?). ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/420 "2013-04-11T21:53:33Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I still need someone to explain to me, perhaps, who is forcing people to marry and have children with non-whites? All that’s required for the White Race (OMG!) to remain viable is for you guys to not find non-whites so unabashedly attractive. There is no need for force. Brainwashing white women to hate White men will do just fine. It will just take a little longer. Consider the following quote from a [White woman](http://www.race-talk.org/?p=4008) who has been thoroughly brainwashed to despise her own menfolk: "Truly, I have witnessed as a journalist and human rights advocate the many injustices inflicted upon Black men in this world. The pain, trauma and rage born of exploitation are terrors that I have grappled with every day of my life. They make one want to strike back, to fight rabidly for what is left of their personal dignity in the wake of such things. Black men have every right to the anger they feel in response to their position in the global hierarchy, but their anger is misdirected. Women are not the source of their oppression; oppressive policies and the as-yet unaddressed white patriarchy which still dominates the global stage are. Because women–and particularly women of color–are forced to bear the brunt of the Black male response to the Black male plight, the international community and those nations who have benefitted from the oppression of colonized peoples have a responsibility to provide women with the protection that they need." I will once again quote Lemkin’s definition of genocide: “Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=22)