# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/421 "2013-04-11T21:53:38Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Jews do not consider themselves White. So what? If you can disclaim being “White” (which, again, you have yet to define), can just anybody disclaim their purported race? Or is there some sort of size requirement on a group that wants to do this? Do they have a meeting and declare themselves no longer “white” or “Asian” or “black” or whatever? Can an individual do the same? Or is their race imposed on them from above? How does this work? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/422 "2013-04-11T21:55:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Wow- in addition to being wrong about nearly everything, you can read minds too? Or only Jewish minds? Tell me more about the beliefs of every single member of a group of millions. > > Ahh, so being white is about how you look? I thought it was about having European ancestry (how much European ancestry, by the way?). You’re just saying all this because you don’t want White people to resist White genocide. You don’t go around telling Jews they are a “social construct” and therefore shouldn’t advocate for themselves. You don’t tell black activists they are silly because black is a “social construct.” You just do that to white people because you are anti-white and you support White genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/423 "2013-04-11T21:56:10Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > And again, just answer the question. What in your definition is White? Am I denied White status because my blood is tainted? Are Aryans the only true white people? Where do you draw the line or lines? Please quit avoiding this question, you have been asked by many here besides me, just tell us what in your opinion constitutes the “white race”. > > **Capt** Answer this specific question please **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/424 "2013-04-11T21:56:44Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So what? > > If you can disclaim being “White” (which, again, you have yet to define), can just anybody disclaim their purported race? > > Or is there some sort of size requirement on a group that wants to do this? Do they have a meeting and declare themselves no longer “white” or “Asian” or “black” or whatever? Can an individual do the same? Or is their race imposed on them from above? How does this work? Why don’t you tell me? Can my 100% Nordic children declare themselves to be black and get affirmative action, yes or no? You anti-whites want to have it both ways. You don’t pretend not to know who’s white when you are attacking us, but then when we try to organize for our own group defense all of a sudden you develop problems with your eyesight. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/425 "2013-04-11T21:57:18Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You just do that to white people because you are anti-white and you support White genocide. Wait, you’d be included in this genocide, right? Based on your username I’d think so. I was originally going to be “against”, but now that I know this, I’m wavering… ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/426 "2013-04-11T21:58:10Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Answer this specific question please > > **Capt** I don’t have to answer your question. The UN Convention on Genocide protects Whites from genocide just like any other group. The destruction of the aborigines was genocide no matter how you define who was or who was not an aborigine. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/427 "2013-04-11T21:59:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Wait, you’d be included in this genocide, right? Based on your username I’d think so. > > I was originally going to be “against”, but now that I know this, I’m wavering… Well good at least you are honest about it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/428 "2013-04-11T21:59:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Jews aren’t white? How much Jewish ancestry disqualifies one from being white? It’s when you are born with the hooves. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/429 "2013-04-11T22:00:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How much non-European ancestry disqualifies someone from being white? Let me guess. “One drop” will soon come into play. Same betting odds as before. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/430 "2013-04-11T22:02:51Z")
> [@EverwonderWhy](#): > > This is the only attempt by **WS** to articulate a definition of a “White person” (that I could find): > > Despite repeated requests for clarification on what constitutes “White”, \*\* WS’s\*\* dodges answering by saying s/he won’t define it until we all agree that “White genocide” exists. How does that work, exactly, if “White” is not clearly defined? > > So again, if ‘whiteness’ can only be _definitively_ determined by a DNA test, how much European DNA (percentage-wise) makes one white? By your standard, should people only associate with people once they have proven their DNA ancestry? Are you advocating for some kind of master registry? Or does one merely have to appear of European descent and only those of questionable appearance must opt for a DNA test? Does Sicilian, Maltese, Greek, Slav, etc, count as European? Which takes precedence in determining “whiteness” - appearance or DNA? What if someone doesn’t appear “white”, but a DNA test proves they have European ancestry? Why don’t you ask a Jew how Israel determines who is Jewish and therefore eligible to immigrate? Why don’t you ask the federal government how they determine who is White and therefore ineligible for preferences under “minority contracting” affirmative action? Why don’t you go ask this [anti-white](http://www.stalbertgazette.com/article/20120721/SAG0903/307219978/lack-of-diversity-means-our-children-are-missing-out) why he thinks Edmonton, Alberta needs more “diversity” because there are too many White people there? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/431 "2013-04-11T22:04:09Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Er…please explain why Jews of European descent aren’t whites? > > Considering the fact that the American government and most of the American public has always considered them white(though they certainly encountered prejudice) that makes very little sense. The social constructs of race don’t have to make sense, or be consistent. I can confirm that the idea that ethnic Jews are “not white” has long standing among those who believe that race is a significant biological reality. **WS** said at one point here that white people were simply those of European descent, but that’s more ‘generous’ than many of his erstwhile allies would be. Plenty of Europeans and European-Americans have been excluded from the imaginary fold of whiteness. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/432 "2013-04-11T22:04:42Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Can my 100% Nordic children declare themselves to be black and get affirmative action, yes or no? Nobody can on the basis of race in the US, white or non-white. That’s another factual error you’re making. Also, how are you defining 100% Nordic? As I mentioned above, probabilistically, EVERYBODY has a non-European ancestor from 2000-3000 years ago and likely a much more recent non-European ancestor. As such, 100% Nordic apparently means “cannot identify a non-Nordic ancestor more recently than the last 3 generations”. I could be wrong, but you’re not giving me anything to work with here. > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You anti-whites want to have it both ways. You don’t pretend not to know who’s white when you are attacking us, but then when we try to organize for our own group defense all of a sudden you develop problems with your eyesight. So, it is “I know it when I see it”. I got my own definition. But you seem to have your own. Here’s a tip on debate (or really any logical progression): you have to start from your definitions. Shaky definitions = illogical conclusions. You tell us what YOU mean by white since it doesn’t appear to match what we mean (or at least it doesn’t match what I mean), and then try to argue your point. I’d give you mine, but I’m not the one trying to put forth a proposition. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/433 "2013-04-11T22:05:01Z")
Black Men [Discuss](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yKm4m1dcaY) White Genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/434 "2013-04-11T22:06:05Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > The social constructs of race don’t have to make sense, or be consistent. Maybe not, but **WS** is claiming there does exist a rule that anybody can consistently apply to identify a person’s race. As such, it’s on **WS** to provide that rule. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/435 "2013-04-11T22:06:05Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You are wrong that few people have pure ancestry of any sort, Sometimes it saddens me when I am right. Yep, “one drop” has now made its appearance and, amazingly, that poster is actually serious. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/436 "2013-04-11T22:06:47Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > I don’t have to answer your question. > > The UN Convention on Genocide protects Whites from genocide just like any other group. > > The destruction of the aborigines was genocide no matter how you define who was or who was not an aborigine. Why not? You want us to believe that whites are on the verge of extinction and you won’t tell us what exactly it means to be white. What are you afraid of? I just want to know if you consider me white or not? Does my Native American blood exclude me or not. I am not going to let this go **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/437 "2013-04-11T22:07:39Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > The social constructs of race don’t have to make sense, or be consistent. > > I can confirm that the idea that ethnic Jews are “not white” has long standing among those who believe that race is a significant biological reality. **WS** said at one point here that white people were simply those of European descent, but that’s more ‘generous’ than many of his erstwhile allies would be. Plenty of Europeans and European-Americans have been excluded from the imaginary fold of whiteness. I would be thrilled if Jews identified as White. They are, I believe mostly genetically European, and they look White to me. But I CAN’T MAKE THEM STOP HATING AND FEARING WHITE PEOPLE. There are a few Jews who dissent from White genocide, like Paul Gottfried, Nicholas Stix, and Byron Roth. They are White as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/438 "2013-04-11T22:07:44Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > The coordinated plan to annihilate White people is evident in the very multicultural ideology of the “proposition nation” currently being foisted upon ALL White countries That just assumes the conclusion. > [@](#): > > The very notion that “there are no white countries” by itself completely negates the very existence of White nations. Whatever they are. I’m sure we’ll hear about that eventually. > [@](#): > > I will remind you once again of Lemkin’s definition of genocide: I quoted this to you in my last post. You can’t decide if you agree with it or not, so quoting it back to me is kind of a waste of your time. There is no coordinated plan, and you can’t deduce the existence this way. You can’t say ‘See this stuff that’s happening? That proves there’s a plan.’ Not if you expect to be taken seriously by people who don’t already agree with you, that is. > [@](#): > > The destruction of the aborigines is widely held to be genocide even though there was never any centralized colonial conspiracy to destroy them. There was widespread killing, theft, and robbery on a scale that isn’t comparable to nonwhite immigration to white countries. > [@](#): > > There is clear evidence of a conspiracy to turn all white countries brown through mass non-white immigration. Again: there simply isn’t, and you can’t demonstrate its existence this way. > [@](#): > > It doesn’t matter that you think multicultural elites meant well I don’t think they exist. > [@](#): > > Your lack of awareness about the dire situation of White South Africans is proof in itself that the MSM HATE whites and will do nothing to help them no matter what happens. Even left-wing Genocide Watch [acknowledges](http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/12326-south-africa-facing-white-genocide-total-communist-takeover) the seriousness of the situation. Instead of going to that website and getting nauseated, I’ll link to [Genocide Watch’s 2012 global watch list.](http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Global_Watch_List_-_Harff_2012.pdf) South Africa is not on it, nor is it mentioned in their report. Which doesn’t mean everything is great in that country, but it suggests that they don’t see genocide against any particular demographic group in that country as an urgent problem. In fact I’m pretty sure all the countries on the list would fail to meet your definition of “white nation” (assuming you have one and just haven’t gotten around to posting it even though lots of people have asked for it). The full list is Myanmar, Syria, China, Sudan, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Iran, DR Congo, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Nigeria, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Uganda, North Korea, Guatemala, and Uzbekistan. Now let’s hear some more sadness about white people getting wiped out. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/439 "2013-04-11T22:11:08Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Why not? You want us to believe that whites are on the verge of extinction and you won’t tell us what exactly it means to be white. What are you afraid of? > > I just want to know if you consider me white or not? Does my Native American blood exclude me or not. > > I am not going to let this go > > **Capt** I don’t care if you are going to “let it go” or not. It is a red herring that has nothing whatsoever to do with the charge of White genocide. First of all, White genocide is not just a racial issue, but an ethnic issue. Greeks are very clearly on the verge of extinction after centuries of warfare against them by Turks, including extermination by the millions. They were run out of their Anatolian homeland, and now they are being told they must turn what remains of Greece over to foreigners and if they refuse they are Nazis. There is no honest work for these smuggled boat people and so they prey on native Greeks, often driving them out of the country in search of peace and a way to make a living. There is no way this is not genocide. But you don’t care, because you are not trying to have a logical discussion, you are just trying to change the subject because you don’t want to deal wiith the truth about White genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/440 "2013-04-11T22:14:39Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Maybe not, but **WS** is claiming there does exist a rule that anybody can consistently apply to identify a person’s race. As such, it’s on **WS** to provide that rule. Sure. I am in no way supporting any element of his argument, which I find every bit as contemptible and ridiculous as everyone else does. I just note that this one particular idea, that ethnic Jews are not white, has fairly wide distribution–more so than most of his material, IME. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=23)