# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/441 "2013-04-11T22:17:44Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > I don’t care if you are going to “let it go” or not. It is a red herring that has nothing whatsoever to do with the charge of White genocide. > > First of all, White genocide is not just a racial issue, but an ethnic issue. > > Greeks are very clearly on the verge of extinction after centuries of warfare against them by Turks, including extermination by the millions. > > They were run out of their Anatolian homeland, and now they are being told they must turn what remains of Greece over to foreigners and if they refuse they are Nazis. > > There is no honest work for these smuggled boat people and so they prey on native Greeks, often driving them out of the country in search of peace and a way to make a living. > > There is no way this is not genocide. > > But you don’t care, because you are not trying to have a logical discussion, you are just trying to change the subject because you don’t want to deal wiith the truth about White genocide. No I simply want to know if you consider me white or not, IOW does the one drop rule apply to me or not? **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/442 "2013-04-11T22:20:00Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > That fellow holding himself out as the father knows perfectly well he is not the biological father, and so do you. Not that I’m expecting an answer, but here goes: You wouldn’t happen to have a link to something reputable that proves the dude’s not the biological father, would you? ---
**Author:** ![EverwonderWhy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EverwonderWhy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EverwonderWhy)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/443 "2013-04-11T22:21:44Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Why don’t you ask a Jew how Israel determines who is Jewish and therefore eligible to immigrate? > > Why don’t you ask the federal government how they determine who is White and therefore ineligible for preferences under “minority contracting” affirmative action? > > Why don’t you go ask this [anti-white](http://www.stalbertgazette.com/article/20120721/SAG0903/307219978/lack-of-diversity-means-our-children-are-missing-out) why he thinks Edmonton, Alberta needs more “diversity” because there are too many White people there? Why won’t you answer the question instead of constantly deflecting? You are the one calling out “white genocide deniers” all the while refusing to define what “white” is in order to support your premise. I am curious to know if my Maltese partner is considered “white”\* by your standards\*. Do you need to see a picture or something? A DNA test? I am not asking for Canada’s, the US’ or Israel’s definition, I am asking for yours. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/444 "2013-04-11T22:21:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Whatever they are. I’m sure we’ll hear about that eventually. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Poland, England, Croatia, Romania, Czeck Republic, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Finland, Italy, etc. > [@](#): > > You can’t say ‘See this stuff that’s happening? That proves there’s a plan.’ Sure you can. All of these things are happening right in front of our faces. Multiculturalism (euphemism for White genocide) is being orchestrated by elites who have not only opened the borders to mass non-white immigration, but they even stick the native White population with the bill. Native Whites get to pay for welfare, translation services, incarceration, etc for the population brought in to replace them. You are asking us to assume that the government does not both understand and intend the ordinary and predictable consequences of their own policies. That is patently absurd. > [@](#): > > There was widespread killing, theft, and robbery on a scale that isn’t comparable to nonwhite immigration to white countries. No there wasn’t. You just say so because you want to pretend White genocide isn’t happening. White French have been completely driven out of huge sections of France that the government calls “[sensitive urban zones](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/16/sensitive-urban-areas/).” Knowing this ethnic cleansing is taking place, they continue to allow further mass non-white immigration into France. This is totally inexplicable absent a desire on the part of the government of France to make life hell for the natives. > [@](#): > > Which doesn’t mean everything is great in that country, but it suggests that they don’t see genocide against any particular demographic group in that country as an urgent problem. You are completely failing to face reality here. I have provided you with documentation that Genocide Watch placed South Africa at Stage six last year, which is a precursor to mass murder. You have made it very clear that you just don’t care. But its not your fault. You have been taught to believe that it is evil to care about your fellow whites. I don’t blame you. > [@](#): > > Now let’s hear some more sadness about white people getting wiped out. Non-whites brutalizing each other in their own countries has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not White genocide is real. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/445 "2013-04-11T22:21:55Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > That fellow holding himself out as the father knows perfectly well he is not the biological father, and so do you. Santiago’s, or Zimmerman’s? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/446 "2013-04-11T22:23:06Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > I just want to know if you consider me white or not? That depends. Are you white on the right side, or the left? With your username in this thread I can’t stop thinking of that episode… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/447 "2013-04-11T22:23:18Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > The point is you are not allowed any political representation whatsoever. There are political advocacy organizations for blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Jews, even though the latter two groups are wealthier and more “privileged” than Whites, but White advocacy organizations are silenced and excluded. But, they are not silenced or excluded. They **(and** black-separatist groups, BTW) are watched closely by the FBI, and by the SPLC and ADL and such, all for very good reasons based on such organizations’ history; and most of the time largely ignored by everybody else. I think it’s that last part that’s getting to you. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/448 "2013-04-11T22:23:47Z")
> [@EverwonderWhy](#): > > Why won’t you answer the question instead of constantly deflecting? You are the one calling out “white genocide deniers” all the while refusing to define what “white” is in order to support your premise. > > I am curious to know if my Maltese partner is considered “white”\* by your standards\*. Do you need to see a picture or something? A DNA test? I am not asking for Canada’s, the US’ or Israel’s definition, I am asking for yours. I have already said, international law does not require me to define white in order to support an allegation of genocide. The genocide law itself presumes that racial groups can be identified by their appearance and therefore targeted for genocide. If you have a problem with that, tell them. Whether it is socially constructed or not, White is an identifiable racial group and therefore protected under international law. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/449 "2013-04-11T22:24:19Z")
I know we’re well past the OP, but something I just read that rang incredibly false and adds another knock against the ‘white genocide’ idea. > [@formulaone](#): > > but they don’t say Japan or Taiwan will solve the RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and ” assimilating ” with them. Actually, a lot of people DO claim Japan has a demographics problem that would be addressed by relaxing immigration restrictions and allowing a flood of foreign workers to come into the country and also by allowing them a path to citizenship, not to mention better treatment at the hands of locals. And Japan really is a very racist country (as are South Korea, China, and Taiwan). The treatment of ethnic Koreans and Chinese in Japan has sometimes been terrible, despite having lived in Japan for generations. That they still don’t have Japanese citizenship despite generations of habitation is one of the more telling signs of the racist legacy of that country. And there are still many negative stories from the few temporary foreign workers who do manage to get into the country to work. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/450 "2013-04-11T22:25:38Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Poland, England, Croatia, Romania, Czeck Republic, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Finland, Italy, **etc**. (bolding mine) The “etc” is vague. Clear that up, please. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/451 "2013-04-11T22:26:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, they are not silenced or excluded. They are watched closely by the FBI, and by the SPLC and ADL and such, all for very good reasons; and most of the time largely ignored by everybody else. But if they are ignored then by definition whites have no political representation. Hence, little white girls get murdered because “respectable” people don’t want to be seen as giving any credence to “racist” (read: white) organizations such as the BNP. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/452 "2013-04-11T22:28:32Z")
A more intriguing question is why these avowed racists can’t manage to spell either the terms related to their targets or to that which they purportedly defend. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/453 "2013-04-11T22:29:32Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I know we’re well past the OP, but something I just read that rang incredibly false and adds another knock against the ‘white genocide’ idea. > > Actually, a lot of people DO claim Japan has a demographics problem that would be addressed by relaxing immigration restrictions and allowing a flood of foreign workers to come into the country and also by allowing them a path to citizenship, not to mention better treatment at the hands of locals. > > And Japan really is a very racist country (as are South Korea, China, and Taiwan). The treatment of ethnic Koreans and Chinese in Japan has sometimes been terrible, despite having lived in Japan for generations. That they still don’t have Japanese citizenship despite generations of habitation is one of the more telling signs of the racist legacy of that country. And there are still many negative stories from the few temporary foreign workers who do manage to get into the country to work. I call BS. Show me where on the Aryan Defamation League’s website they condemn any Japanese political party like they [condemn](http://archive.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/6401_13.htm) Greece’s Golden Dawn for the terrible crime of wanting Greek children to have a place to call home. China and India together make up like a third of the world population. If “anti-racists” really cared about ending discrimination, they would focus their efforts entirely on those countries rather than tiny Greece, whose native population is near extinction. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/454 "2013-04-11T22:31:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > A more intriguing question is why these avowed racists can’t manage to spell either the terms related to their targets or to that which they purportedly defend. Oh Lord. Now you are resorting to the old argumentum ad orthographum. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/455 "2013-04-11T22:31:40Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That depends. Are you white on the right side, or the left? > > With your username in this thread I can’t stop thinking of that episode… Bwa ha ha, thank you **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/456 "2013-04-11T22:35:31Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Oh Lord. Now you are resorting to the old argumentum ad orthographum. Well you still have not defined white. I know you are screaming the answer at the screen every time it comes back, so just answer. In your opinion am I white? **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/457 "2013-04-11T22:36:17Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > But if they are ignored then by definition whites have no political representation. By definition whites (I mean in America, of course, not in Zimbabwe) have political representation. They are counted in the Census and in district-apportionment. They can vote. They can vote for white candidates. They usually do. **Most** elected officials in the U.S. are whites’. Most **names on the ballot** are white. Short of substituting “all” for “most,” what more do ya want? White Nationalists in Congress? Sometimes they run, always they lose, because most **white** voters do not approve of them, and that is no elite conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/458 "2013-04-11T22:36:57Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Poland, England, Croatia, Romania, Czeck Republic, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Finland, Italy, etc. And on what basis have you determined these - and “etc.,” which makes this clear as mud - are the white countries? > [@](#): > > You are asking us to assume that the government does not both understand and intend the ordinary and predictable consequences of their own policies. I’m not sure who “us” is in this sentence. What I’m doing is saying none of this is actually happening, there is no policy, and there is no conspiracy establishing this policy. > [@](#): > > You just say so because you want to pretend White genocide isn’t happening. I don’t think it’s happening. No pretending. You can’t really think lots of people secretly agree with you about this but won’t admit it. > [@](#): > > You are completely failing to face reality here. I have provided you with documentation that Genocide Watch placed South Africa at Stage six last year, which is a precursor to mass murder. Since I’m loathe to read your John Birch Society newsletter I wanted to see actual evidence, not claims about what they’re saying. But I see here that Genocide Watch does say of South Africa that “early warning signs indicate the danger of mass killing or genocide.” They’re at stage five out of eight (polarization), not stage six. And the main issue is Julius Malema, who is fortunately not in charge anymore. > [@](#): > > South Africa - Given the history of Apartheid in South Africa, there is deep-rooted polarization between whites and black in the nation. Part of the polarization in South Africa is the legacy of Apartheid and the continuing dominance in the economy of white owned businesses and farms. There is also polarization from the black population, who feel excluded from real power and jobs, even though the ANC now controls the government. This general polarization created a fertile ground for political radicalization, which was the case with the rise of Malema, former President of the ANC Youth League who is now suspended. Genocide Watch continues to be alarmed at hate crimes committed against whites, particularly against Boer farmers, an important early warning sign that genocide could occur. Those who commit such crimes must be promptly brought to justice, and denounced by the political leaders of South Africa. > [@White Survivalist](#): > > Non-whites brutalizing each other in their own countries has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not White genocide is real. That’s a nice illustration of your disdain for everybody who isn’t white, but you missed the point. The citation shows that Genocide Watch does not believe there is any anti-white genocide occurring in any country. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/459 "2013-04-11T22:42:34Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Why don’t you tell me? Can my 100% Nordic children declare themselves to be black and get affirmative action, yes or no? It’s very unlikely that your children are 100% Nordic. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/460 "2013-04-11T22:42:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > By definition whites (I mean in America, of course, not in Zimbabwe) have political representation. They are counted in the Census and in district-apportionment. They can vote. They can vote for white candidates. They usually do. **Most** elected officials in the U.S. are whites’. Most **names on the ballot** are white. Short of substituting “all” for “most,” what more do ya want? I would just note that you seem to know who is white and who is not. Perhaps you can tell the other posters here how you can tell that. They claim not to know who is white or not. Whites DO NOT have political representation. The only sorts of Whites who are allowed to have any sort of power are race traitors who [celebrate](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_-Y3SPQCrjo)White genocide. Any White person who opposes White genocide, is systematically excluded from the political process, [even if they win](http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/01/Fla_GOP_refuses_to_seat_white_supremacist/UPI-28471228159743/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=24)