# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/501 "2013-04-12T03:44:08Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Eh, I’ve seen it used on various occasions that way in fiction at least. **Der Trihs** : Don’t take this wrong, but isn’t it bad form to reference this thread in your answer to my question? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/502 "2013-04-12T03:47:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > **Der Trihs** : Don’t take this wrong, but isn’t it bad form to reference this thread in your answer to my question? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![formulaone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3da27b/32.png) [@formulaone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/formulaone)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/503 "2013-04-12T04:14:24Z")
Again, you’ve missed the boat here by demanding what is and what is not white. There are more and more people every day identifying themselves as white. And these white dissidents are appealing them. It is ridiculous to go to someone who identifies as white as ask them ‘what is a white person.’ I have done that and the reply was very simple, but in a sense devastating because it was clear that this person understood white genocide. He asked me if I was an ‘anti-white’ because only and ‘anti-white’ would ask a quesiton like that. Look at it this way…Nobody goes to black people and asks them what a black person is…Black people know who the hell they are, and it’s the same with asians as well. We only go after white people in this way because it is one component of the dehumanization process. I know this because I have done it for years. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/504 "2013-04-12T04:23:45Z")
Look, if there’s any genocide against White, then there must be a definition of White. Otherwise, those nasty folks committing said genocide very well might just exterminate another group and accidently avoid destroying any White people at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/505 "2013-04-12T04:28:04Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > No…It is the Anglo-elites that have orchistrated this attempted genocide-by-assimilation upon white populations. These are the people at the top of the countries of Greater Anglosphere. Jew, to my knowlege have not played a part in this attempt to genocide white populations. Why are you accusing Jews of taking part in attempting to genocide white people??? That is very strange indeed. You anti-semitism is most unsettling. I’m a bit confused, before you claimed you were an anti-racist looking for arguments to use against racists, but now you seem to be arguing that there is an attempted genocide against white people. > [@](#): > > Nobody goes to black people and asks them what a black person is…Black people know who the hell they are, and it’s the same with asians as well. We only go after white people in this way because it is one component of the dehumanization process. Your arguments are remarkably similar to White Survivalist’s and you guys both seem to have just signed up to the dope and seem to be both posting exclusively on this thread, though curiously not at the same time. Do you guys know each other? Was he the “racist” friend who you were looking to use ammunition against? ---
**Author:** ![formulaone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3da27b/32.png) [@formulaone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/formulaone)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/506 "2013-04-12T04:33:24Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m a bit confused, before you claimed you were an anti-racist looking for arguments to use against racists, but now you seem to be arguing that there is an attempted genocide against white people. > > Your arguments are remarkably similar to White Survivalist’s and you guys both seem to have just signed up to the dope and seem to be both posting exclusively on this thread, though curiously not at the same time. > > Do you guys know each other? > > Was he the “racist” friend who you were looking to use ammunition against? I am saying that there is a program of genocide-by-assimilation toward white people. That’s not even the issue. The question is whether or not we are in favor of this system of white genocide-by-assimilation. I’m not going to deny that we are attempting to essentially eradicate the white race, because that is exactly what we are trying to accomplish. I have seen white suvivalists arguments and they don’t surprise me one bit. I told you earlier that these white dissidents are now all over the internet and they are having a huge impact upon the hearts and minds of white people. ---
**Author:** ![formulaone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3da27b/32.png) [@formulaone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/formulaone)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/507 "2013-04-12T04:40:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Look, if there’s any genocide against White, then there must be a definition of White. Otherwise, those nasty folks committing said genocide very well might just exterminate another group and accidently avoid destroying any White people at all. This is silly and we need to move up from these types of OLD STYLE anti-racist talking points that we used to throw at healthy normal white people who were bold enough to express racial self regard. Jesus Christ…WHITE PEOPLE KNOW WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE, IN ADDITION, THEY ARE NOW COMING TO UNDERSTAND WHO AND BY WHAT METHODS THEIR ENEMY HAS TRIED TO WIPE THEM OFF THE PLANET. That is what is important. Stop asking for a bio-definition of white people, because they can’t be manipulated by that method anymore. Those days are over. They will just reply by saying the same thing over and over: ‘White people are those who our enemy has systematically targeted with a global white genocide-by-assimilation.’ They are NOT going to tailgate into a silly argument about the minutea of genetics. This is their power right now and we need NEW responses to these kinds of insights. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/508 "2013-04-12T04:50:09Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > This is their power right now and we need NEW responses to these kinds of insights. They have \*\*NO \*\*power as it was already pointed out. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/509 "2013-04-12T04:50:17Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > I am saying that there is a program of genocide-by-assimilation toward white people. That’s not even the issue. Of course it’s an issue, nobody believes that such a thing exists. > [@formulaone](#): > > This is silly and we need to move up from these types of OLD STYLE anti-racist talking points that we used to throw at healthy normal white people who were bold enough to express racial self regard. Jesus Christ…WHITE PEOPLE KNOW WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE, IN ADDITION, THEY ARE NOW COMING TO UNDERSTAND WHO AND BY WHAT METHODS THEIR ENEMY HAS TRIED TO WIPE THEM OFF THE PLANET. More gibberish. No, only a minority of fools believe any such thing, nor does such a program exist. And repeating this nonsense in all caps doesn’t make it any more true. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/510 "2013-04-12T05:09:51Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > … They will just reply by saying the same thing over and over: … Finally an actual factual statement!!! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/511 "2013-04-12T06:23:58Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > WHITE PEOPLE KNOW WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE Well, come off it, then. Explain to the rest of the plebians “who and what” the Whites are. Failing that, then your muttering “Anti-White” all day is absolutely meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/512 "2013-04-12T09:39:39Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > There are more and more people every day identifying themselves as white. So it’s been a pretty ineffective genocide so far, then. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/513 "2013-04-12T10:46:48Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > A subset of those plaques are defined as “White.” Actually, most plaque is white. See your dentist. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/514 "2013-04-12T10:48:59Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You are using an overly narrow definition of the term genocide that ignores the both international law and contemporary genocide scholarship. Settler colonialism, especially when accompanied by large-scale violence against natives, is genocide. There is no campaign of “large-scale violence against the natives”; only assorted crime in a poorer area of the city, just like any other major metropolitan area. You’ve seized on a few cases and extrapolated them into a huge trend while simultaneously - and openly - ignoring all other forms of crime: > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > It doesn’t matter that black people kill each other too. That doesn’t change the fact that targeted mass murder is genocide even under your restrictive definition of genocide. > > Moreover, the fact that black women get raped more often than white women has nothing whatsoever to do with genocide under subsection (b) of Article III of the UN Convention on Genocide either. If white men started raping black women by the tens of thousands, that would be genocide \*under international law no matter how many White women are also raped by White men. \* You’ve basically admitted a huge confirmation bias in your “proof”. You’ve also conveniently ignored the major white-on-white child abuse cases I mentioned, which are certainly needed to provide context if you’re intending to suggest that your cherry-picked case shows that immigrant-specific crime is the major force somehow driving whites out of the city in the hundreds of thousands. > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > This is complete and utter nonsense. The fact is that thousands of Whites have already been slaughtered, many of them children, and millions of Whites have fled the violence. There is no minimum number of killings necessary for genocide under section (a). The very fact that the genocide isn’t recognized just shows how little power Whites have. Or that it doesn’t exist. Which is a position there is far more evidence for. > [@](#): > > That’s just it with you anti-whites. To you, I am anti-everybody else if I put the concerns of my own people first. These will be the “people” you’re refusing to identify, yes? How can you put their concerns first if you won’t even say who they are? > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > I refuse to chase your sticks anti-white. International law does not require me to provide you with any definition of who is White. No, but your argument does. If you refuse to define one of the key terms upon which your argument is based, we are forced to conclude that you’re only doing so to hide the obvious flaws in the argument. Oh, and nice _ad hominem_. For someone nitpicking minor logic flaws, you certainly present a lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/515 "2013-04-12T11:00:22Z")
Can we get the name of a specific victim of this genocide and the circumstances of his or her racial extermination? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/516 "2013-04-12T11:01:41Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > These will be the “people” you’re refusing to identify, yes? How can you put their concerns first if you won’t even say who they are? [Could this be the reason?](http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82404406/) {Note: certain words in that link are NSFW.} ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/517 "2013-04-12T11:38:57Z")
He’s already provided his definition: > [@formulaone](#): > > White people are those who our enemy has systematically targeted with a global white genocide-by-assimilation. So, it isn’t him who has to define what he’s talking about, whiteness is in fact \*defined \*by being the target of assimilation by the _non_-whites. Whoever they are, these people who somehow want to produce mongrel babies with the likes of our friend here just to destroy his race … So, who wants to ask him for the definition of _non_-white? Or any other definition of who constitutes these nasty genocidalists? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/518 "2013-04-12T11:53:52Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s already provided his definition:So, it isn’t him who has to define what he’s talking about, whiteness is in fact \*defined \*by being the target of assimilation by the _non_-whites. Whoever they are, these people who somehow want to produce mongrel babies with the likes of our friend here just to destroy his race … > > So, who wants to ask him for the definition of _non_-white? Or any other definition of who constitutes these nasty genocidalists? Why, isn’t it obvious? Just as the Whites are defined as those who are _targeted_ for genocidification, Non-Whites are defined as those who are _committing_ it! Very symmetrical. A circular argument _is_ symmetrical, right? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/519 "2013-04-12T11:57:26Z")
Or, as Warren Beatty put it in _Bulworth_, “We just have to keep on fucking each other until we’re all the same color.” There. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/520 "2013-04-12T12:20:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Look, if there’s any genocide against White, then there must be a definition of White. Otherwise, those nasty folks committing said genocide very well might just exterminate another group and accidently avoid destroying any White people at all. Can you find a defintion of Jew that is utterly watertight? Black? Aboriginal? Claims are made of Genocide against these groups. Yet when white people bring up a Genocide against them, they just “dont exist”. When anti-racists want to attack whites, they have NO PROBLEM at all using the term WHITE. They have no problem pointing out when an area is too white. When white people speak in their racial self defence, all of a sudden, anti-racist anti-whites claim that whites don’t really exist. You can’t have it both ways. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=27)