# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/561 "2013-04-12T18:10:22Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Who is white?” > > I think we need to set up some kind of standard so we can tell who the heck these racist folks are talking about - perhaps use an [ICC profile](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_profile)to define a range of colors that would be acceptable. > > Then sets of standardized cards could be printed up and people could compare themselves to the cards to see if they are “white” or not. > > Without this, who will we know who to genocide or not? And how will we know if our genocide has been successful. We need STANDARDS, people! We, of course, need to measure the color under the tan line. Just in case Ya know standards **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/562 "2013-04-12T19:12:03Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > That’s the thing that confuses me. This idea of whiteness stems from the Nazi Aryan ideal which was pretty exclusionary and rather specific. Slavs were considered sub human but one of the links provided specifically mentioned white genocide or some such drivel in Poland. Poles are Slavs right? So to perpetuate the Aryan ideal they had to be more inclusive as to who was actually white? Raises more questions than answers, me thinks > > **Capt** Modern white supremacists don’t discuss that the Nazis had a pan-Germanic movement that intended to increase the size of Germany at the expense of the Slavs. The MMO Eve Online allows its players to vote on a group that consults with game designers. It just had a small scandal where the company ended the candidacy of a Russian Neo-Nazi. I wonder how Russia teaches WWII if a Russian is willing to ascribe to any version of Naziism. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/563 "2013-04-12T19:15:24Z")
Our recent visitors appear to have known very little about history–from ancient to modern. Would their Russian counterparts necessarily have paid more attention in school? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/564 "2013-04-12T19:29:18Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Would their Russian counterparts necessarily have paid more attention in school? Nah, only if they were Asian or Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/565 "2013-04-12T19:59:52Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Our recent visitors appear to have known very little about history–from ancient to modern. Would their Russian counterparts necessarily have paid more attention in school? I guess ignorance is bliss, it just seems odd to me that a movement with roots based in a strict ideology can let go of the Aryan ideal but still keep all the trappings. I was around Confederate Hammer Skins as a teen, they were are real nightmare, these guys were covered in Nazi symbology, I just assumed that the ideology was at least close. Russian Nazis, I mean WTF? And yes I heard about the Jewish Nazis in Israel, just chose to ignore that. **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/566 "2013-04-12T20:21:34Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Name ONE White nation, in which anti-racists would be OK with it actively keeping itself racially white through exclusionist immigration policies and a rejection of multiracialism. > > Name ONE white nation, which if it adopted a policy of being for white people, and against racial assimilation and mixing, anti-racists would find acceptable. > > Yet no non-white nation is expected to become multiracial. Japan is not expected to become a ‘mixed brown’ nation. It may be critised for being insular, but racial assimilation is never touted as an answer. > > If you were to have ALL white nations take in large numbers of non-whites (as we are seeing) and assimilate (as we are seeing, and as is actively promoted), with people who want to stop this being cast as “Racist” and “evil” (as we are seeing), then what other conclusion can there be, than the white race being lost into a multiracial setting? > > The problem is, that if you support these conditions, KNOWING that it will lead to whites being assimilated out, as many anti-racists openly look forward to it, how can you not claim to be allowing racial genocide? [Hey…I’ve seen you before…kinda.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/567 "2013-04-12T21:41:58Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > A thought occurs to me. > > If whiteness is defined by being the target of “white genocide”, and the goal of the anti-anti-racists is to end white genocide, then wouldn’t their success therefore result in the white race ceasing to exist, since there’d be nobody to oppress them? > > I therefore propose that to oppose white genocide is to commit white genocide, and that only by actively seeking out the eradication of the white race can we ensure its survival. _\_ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/568 "2013-04-12T22:20:59Z")
> [@Robb](#): > > I wonder how Russia teaches WWII if a Russian is willing to ascribe to any version of Naziism. A black Klansman makes about 1,000 times more sense than a Russian neo-nazi…the Klan wanted segregation, or maybe all the blacks to go back to Africa, but I don’t think they ever had actual concrete plans to exterminate all of the Africans and then set up farms owned by white people in their place. The nazis wanted to eradicate all Russians and use their lands to set up German farms. I literally cannot comprehend Russian neonazism. Hitler and the Nazis HATED Russians just as much as they hated Jews. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/569 "2013-04-12T22:46:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Wow, another one. > > I’m just curious how you define white. I want to know which of my friends and family count as white, and which ones don’t. Is there a percentage of non-European ancestry that disqualifies a person? It’s not that hard of a question, yet all we’ve gotten so far are dodges and very nebulous responses. You don’t want to know which if your friends and family count as white. And you would be perfectly aware that ALL anti-racists have NO problem referring to White people as a group. I’ve come accross this for years. Anti-whites go on about the crimes that white people caused, and talk about white people being racist, and how whites should interbreed with non-whites lest there be interbreeding. Then white person says “I would like to preserve whiteness, why are you against it?” and anti-whites go “What is white?” I don’t buy it. The behaiviour if anti-racist anti-whites shows they understand the concept of whites. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/570 "2013-04-12T22:46:33Z")
Hello, my name is XT, and I’m part of the alliance to cause genocide to the ‘white’ race. :eek: I have actively pursued this goal by blatantly marrying a ‘white’ woman and breeding with her, to produce our mongrel offspring. I proudly wear the title of ‘Anti-Racist’. I am practically public enemy number one, since not only have I corrupted a ‘white’ woman and had children with her, but I’m also an agnatheist as well…horror on top of horror! Plus, and this is key, I hate…HATE…NASCAR. Loath it. Despise it. 😛 (Hard to believe that this thread is still in GD and still going, to be honest) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/571 "2013-04-12T22:46:34Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Russian Nazis, I mean WTF? And yes I heard about the Jewish Nazis in Israel, just chose to ignore that. Ah, but have you heard of the [Mongolian Nazis](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/02/mongolia-far-right)? Taking Nazism to a whole new level of WTF ;). ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/572 "2013-04-12T22:50:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It doesn’t lead to “whites being assimilated out”, at least not in America- it leads to everyone being assimilated _in_. In biology, hybrids are often more fit then their non-hybrid parents. And diverse human cultures are often stronger then non-diverse cultures- with lots of different kinds of people, and lots of different ways of thinking, there will be a lot more different ideas and solutions to solve various problems. > > By the way, I’m American, so I mostly talk about America- but I think Japan would make itself stronger if it allowed more immigration from around the world, and ditto for most countries. It doesn’t mean totally open doors, but in general, I think immigration makes countries stronger and better. You are justifying Genocide now. there is utterly no scientific of biological reason for whites to take in the third world for ‘hybrid vigour’. This is such an obvious ‘fake’ argument to try and con whites into thinking they need to go along with the multiracialist agenda. Also, anti-whites always way they think Japan should take in immigrants (so as to cover the fact they only concern themselves with white nations), but ONLY after I’ve brought up the fact they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/573 "2013-04-12T22:56:28Z")
[QUOTE=AssemblyLineHuman] You are justifying Genocide now. there is utterly no scientific of biological reason for whites to take in the third world for ‘hybrid vigour’. [/QUOTE] There is also no scientific or biological differentiation signifying that a ‘white’ race actually exists. It doesn’t. There is no such thing as ‘race’. > [@](#): > > This is such an obvious ‘fake’ argument to try and con whites into thinking they need to go along with the multiracialist agenda. As opposed to your own misguided and baseless arguments, right? 😛 > [@](#): > > Also, anti-whites always way they think Japan should take in immigrants (so as to cover the fact they only concern themselves with white nations), but ONLY after I’ve brought up the fact they don’t. They don’t because on this they are equally clueless racist bastards. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/574 "2013-04-12T23:03:24Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > You don’t want to know which if your friends and family count as white. And you would be perfectly aware that ALL anti-racists have NO problem referring to White people as a group. > > I’ve come accross this for years. Anti-whites go on about the crimes that white people caused, and talk about white people being racist, and how whites should interbreed with non-whites lest there be interbreeding. > > Then white person says “I would like to preserve whiteness, why are you against it?” and anti-whites go “What is white?” > > I don’t buy it. The behaiviour if anti-racist anti-whites shows they understand the concept of whites. Let’s pretend that you can’t read my mind, and that I’m asking an honest question- how does one know who is white? I’d like to know if I’m being “genocided”, and which members of my family are under threat of genocide. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/575 "2013-04-12T23:05:02Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > You are justifying Genocide now. there is utterly no scientific of biological reason for whites to take in the third world for ‘hybrid vigour’. > > This is such an obvious ‘fake’ argument to try and con whites into thinking they need to go along with the multiracialist agenda. > > Also, anti-whites always way they think Japan should take in immigrants (so as to cover the fact they only concern themselves with white nations), but ONLY after I’ve brought up the fact they don’t. No, you’re incorrect- diverse cultures with lots of different ways of thinking are stronger and better able to respond to changing conditions. So immigration makes white people (and America) stronger, in general. Support immigration- for white people, and for America. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/576 "2013-04-12T23:09:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > A thought occurs to me. > > If whiteness is defined by being the target of “white genocide”, and the goal of the anti-anti-racists is to end white genocide, then wouldn’t their success therefore result in the white race ceasing to exist, since there’d be nobody to oppress them? > > I therefore propose that to oppose white genocide is to commit white genocide, and that only by actively seeking out the eradication of the white race can we ensure its survival. The point is that anti-whites KNOW who is white and who isn’t, and you can tell this by the countries which they say must become ‘diverse’ and ‘pluralistic’ and those countries which don’t. When Obama was elected, anti-racists were asking about European and Anglo nations when they too will have a black leader. Oddly, no anti-white suggested that it “was time” that China has a black leader, or Japan, or Korea, or Angola having a Chinese leader. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/577 "2013-04-12T23:10:37Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > there is utterly no scientific of biological reason for whites to take in the third world for ‘hybrid vigour’. By doing that, we can breed the MASTER RACE of the FUTURE! Faster… stronger… smarter… _browner_ than before!! ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/578 "2013-04-12T23:17:26Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You might want to google the meaning for word “logically”, cuz it aint what you’re using. Of course, if your ‘race’ is so utterly impotently weak that simply being in proximity to other ‘races’ will cause your entire race to suffer “genocide!!!” (also known to normal folks as: fuckin’ people and having babies)? > > Well… maybe y’all weren’t the Master Race after all, eh? > Just a thought. Have a happy genocide. This is a joke to you? Hitler may NEVER have been able to eradicate the Jews. But no one excuses him for PROMOTING the idea. You see, just because it may not happen, doesn’t excuse you for what you advocate. Name ONE white nation, in which it would be acceptable to “anti-racists” for it to actively preserve its ethnic make up through policy. I asked this question before and got no answer. I’m still waiting. If white people are not to be assimilated out, there must be a place where it is acceptable for white people not to engage in ‘multiracialism’. Anti-white argue that no such place SHOULD exist, ergo, they are demanding a situation which they KNOW could lead to whites being assimilated out. However, Japanese people are not keen at all in becoming ethnically mixed, and no “anti-racist” calls them out on it. It is only AFTER I bring it up, that they chime in and kind of off handedly say it. And don’t ask “what is white”, because it is frankly insulting. You wouldn’t tell a Jewish person, fighting against anti-semitism that he shouldn’t do it, because he can’t adequately answer “what is a Jew”. You wouldn’t tell a Black man, fighting for his rights, that he’s silly, because there is no acceptable definition of “black”. If you believe in equality, then give ALL people the same respect. But I’m white, you’re anti-white, so you feel that is it OK to single out me because of my race, and tell me that my identity doens’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/579 "2013-04-12T23:18:06Z")
So my grandchildren might be darker than me. They will still carry 1/4 of my genes, just as if my daughter had married a man whose ancestors came from the same continent as my ancestors. Are we talking about White Race or White Culture? Because I can teach my grandchildren to eat mac-n-cheese, drink lite beer, and watch Honey Boo-Boo regardless of their skin tone. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/580 "2013-04-12T23:18:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > By doing that, we can breed the MASTER RACE of the FUTURE! > > Faster… > > stronger… > > smarter… > > _browner_ than before!! So you don’t have a reason then. Then why do anti-whites bring it up all the time? Oh, because it serves as a good justification for stopping those pesky whites from rejecting racial assimilation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=30)