# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/41 "2013-04-10T03:55:28Z")
Perhaps **Formulaone** can tell us exactly how he defines “white” and “non-white”. For example, he’s railing about the large number of “non-whites” coming into “white” countries in Europe. Ok, does he consider Turks to be white? They make up a huge percentage if not a majority of immigrants to Germany. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/CemOezdemir2010.JPG/782px-CemOezdemir2010.JPG](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/CemOezdemir2010.JPG/782px-CemOezdemir2010.JPG) [http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-276410-panoV9-vzhy.jpg](http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-276410-panoV9-vzhy.jpg) [http://worldcrunch.com/images/story/Yerli%20brothers\_LeftToRight\_FarukAvniCevat%20(1).jpg](http://worldcrunch.com/images/story/Yerli%20brothers_LeftToRight_FarukAvniCevat%20(1).jpg) [http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/german-turks-with-flag.jpg](http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/german-turks-with-flag.jpg) Are the people in the above pictures “white” or are they “non-white.” How about North African Arabs who make up most of the immigrants to France, the Netherlands and much of the rest of Europe. Are the people in these pictures below “white” or “non-white”? If they’re “non-white”, please explain why? [http://www.english.rfi.fr/sites/english.filesrfi/imagecache/rfi\_43\_large/sites/images.rfi.fr/files/aef\_image/2012-12-20T092636Z\_45782466\_GM1E8CK1CER01\_RTRMADP\_3\_ALGERIA-FRANCE\_0.JPG](http://www.english.rfi.fr/sites/english.filesrfi/imagecache/rfi_43_large/sites/images.rfi.fr/files/aef_image/2012-12-20T092636Z_45782466_GM1E8CK1CER01_RTRMADP_3_ALGERIA-FRANCE_0.JPG) [http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/piersedwards/antaryahia\_reuters\_595.jpg](http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/piersedwards/antaryahia_reuters_595.jpg) [http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24\_169\_large/article/image/lucila-m\_0.jpg](http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24_169_large/article/image/lucila-m_0.jpg) [http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/\_38116433\_nassim300.jpg](http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/_38116433_nassim300.jpg) [http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/\_38116491\_zidaneap\_150.jpg](http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/_38116491_zidaneap_150.jpg) Thanks you in advance for answering my questions. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/42 "2013-04-10T03:58:28Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > “Genocide” means killing people. Not necessarily. For example, forcibly sterilizing a group of people would also be genocide, as would mass rape with the intend of impregnating them to erase their distinctiveness, or forcibly scattering them as a people so their culture disintegrates, or kidnapping all their children and re-educating them. ---
**Author:** ![formulaone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3da27b/32.png) [@formulaone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/formulaone)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/43 "2013-04-10T03:58:57Z")
I’ve got to go to work…I’ll be back tomorrow for some more stimulating discussion. Thanks guys…You’ve been great ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/44 "2013-04-10T04:01:43Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Perhaps **Formulaone** can tell us exactly how he defines “white” and “non-white”. > > For example, he’s railing about the large number of “non-whites” coming into “white” countries in Europe. > > Ok, does he consider Turks to be white? They make up a huge percentage if not a majority of immigrants to Germany. > > [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/CemOezdemir2010.JPG/782px-CemOezdemir2010.JPG](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/CemOezdemir2010.JPG/782px-CemOezdemir2010.JPG) > > [http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-276410-panoV9-vzhy.jpg](http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-276410-panoV9-vzhy.jpg) > > [http://worldcrunch.com/images/story/Yerli%20brothers\_LeftToRight\_FarukAvniCevat%20(1).jpg](http://worldcrunch.com/images/story/Yerli%20brothers_LeftToRight_FarukAvniCevat%20(1).jpg) > > [http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/german-turks-with-flag.jpg](http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/german-turks-with-flag.jpg) > > Are the people in the above pictures “white” or are they “non-white.” > > How about North African Arabs who make up most of the immigrants to France, the Netherlands and much of the rest of Europe. Are the people in these pictures below “white” or “non-white”? If they’re “non-white”, please explain why? > > [http://www.english.rfi.fr/sites/english.filesrfi/imagecache/rfi\_43\_large/sites/images.rfi.fr/files/aef\_image/2012-12-20T092636Z\_45782466\_GM1E8CK1CER01\_RTRMADP\_3\_ALGERIA-FRANCE\_0.JPG](http://www.english.rfi.fr/sites/english.filesrfi/imagecache/rfi_43_large/sites/images.rfi.fr/files/aef_image/2012-12-20T092636Z_45782466_GM1E8CK1CER01_RTRMADP_3_ALGERIA-FRANCE_0.JPG) > > [http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/piersedwards/antaryahia\_reuters\_595.jpg](http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/piersedwards/antaryahia_reuters_595.jpg) > > [http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24\_169\_large/article/image/lucila-m\_0.jpg](http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24_169_large/article/image/lucila-m_0.jpg) > > [http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/\_38116433\_nassim300.jpg](http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/_38116433_nassim300.jpg) > > [http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/\_38116491\_zidaneap\_150.jpg](http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38116000/jpg/_38116491_zidaneap_150.jpg) > > Thanks you in advance for answering my questions. Surely you’re aware of the fact that wog begins at Calais. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/45 "2013-04-10T04:43:37Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, that’s certainly an interesting first post on SDMB. 7,6,5,4… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/46 "2013-04-10T04:53:06Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > **Is ‘Anti-Racist’ just a Codeword For Anti-White??** Other way 'round, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/47 "2013-04-10T04:53:51Z")
The fact that you are referring to the completely ludicrous claims of these racists-that you supposedly so desperately wish to successfully rebut with solid counterarguments-as “irrefutable facts” would seem to indicate that _you_ are in fact the one who holds the beliefs here. The “racists” that you wish to argue-down with sound reasoning is just you expressing your beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/48 "2013-04-10T04:56:47Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Hell, I’m told there is still a fair amount of Neanderthal DNA floating around! Not exactly news, in this thread . . . ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/49 "2013-04-10T04:57:00Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > . . . We need NEW points to destroy their white supremacist points. . . . Nope; the old stand-bys will work fine. Ask 'em what they want to do about it. If my nice black neighbor and his white girlfriend want to get married…what do they expect the rest of us to do? Show up with guns? Paint threatening symbols on their door? Try to get the state to pass a law? Me? I’m gonna show up and throw rice. I said it before: support freedom. That’s the shining glory of America. Not our white skin, but our defense – and celebration! – of civil rights. P.S. I’m not 100% white, either. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/50 "2013-04-10T04:58:49Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > This is a very very common anti-racist point that used to work on the whites…but now they reply with something like the following: > > "With this kind of silly comment you aren’t denying the existence of white genocide…Rather, you simply justifying white genocide. N.B.: If your white daughter marries a nonwhite, that is not an instance of “white genocide,” no more than it is an instance of genocide on her husband’s “race.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/51 "2013-04-10T05:00:45Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > I’m looking for ammunition… No, you’re not. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/52 "2013-04-10T05:01:59Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > Surely you’re aware of the fact that wog begins at Calais. No, sir, at Dublin. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/53 "2013-04-10T05:03:43Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > P.S. I’m not 100% white, either. 😕 How is that possible? You appear to be using human speech. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/54 "2013-04-10T05:15:41Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > But when I tell the obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race Yeah, Rahowa brother.:rolleyes: Go back to Stormfront. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/55 "2013-04-10T05:44:08Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > . . . my race, the white race . . . Are you **sure?** ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/56 "2013-04-10T06:49:53Z")
Is the question “Is anti-racist just a codeword for anti-white?” a codephrase for “I’m a racist who can’t even be honest enough to be upfront with my racism and for some reason actually thinks I’m being slick”? JAQ. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/57 "2013-04-10T07:18:58Z")
Well, hopefully when he gets back from work he’ll let us know how he a defines who is " white" and who is a “non-white”, but doubt any definition he gives will be logical or consistent. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/58 "2013-04-10T09:01:23Z")
Well, my question would be - is the USA one of these “white” countries? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/59 "2013-04-10T12:08:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Are you **sure?** > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, hopefully when he gets back from work he’ll let us know how he a defines who is " white" and who is a “non-white”, but doubt any definition he gives will be logical or consistent. Probably someone with no sub-saharan African or Asian genotype in them at all (one drop rule, you know.) Which probably means he’s from some isolated village in Eastern Norway. Most “white” people have at least 5% African genes in them. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/60 "2013-04-10T13:20:06Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Nope; the old stand-bys will work fine. Ask 'em what they want to do about it. If my nice black neighbor and his white girlfriend want to get married…what do they expect the rest of us to do? Show up with guns? Paint threatening symbols on their door? Try to get the state to pass a law? > > Me? I’m gonna show up and throw rice. White rice, no doubt - YOU BIGOT!!! Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=4)