# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/581 "2013-04-12T23:21:05Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > However, Japanese people are not keen at all in becoming ethnically mixed, and no “anti-racist” calls them out on it. It is only AFTER I bring it up, that they chime in and kind of off handedly say it. Nonsense. The fact that racism is common in Japan and the problems it causes are hardly obscure facts, and have been brought now and then up long before you showed up. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/582 "2013-04-12T23:22:01Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > So my grandchildren might be darker than me. They will still carry 1/4 of my genes, just as if my daughter had married a man whose ancestors came from the same continent as my ancestors. > > Are we talking about White Race or White Culture? Because I can teach my grandchildren to eat mac-n-cheese, drink lite beer, and watch Honey Boo-Boo regardless of their skin tone. So now you make fun of White culture, hence why we call you anti-white. You might not care whether the white race continues, that’s your choice. . Some Jews during the Holocaust assisted with rounding them up. Some just decided they were no longer Jews. This does not excuse the Nazis of their INTENT. The INTENT of anti-white anti-racism is to create a mixed race, in ONLY white nations, which means that white people are racially replaced by a mixed race. Genocide isn’t justified, because you don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/583 "2013-04-12T23:22:16Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > So you don’t have a reason then. Then why do anti-whites bring it up all the time? They don’t, to the extent what you call “anti-whites” even exist. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/584 "2013-04-12T23:22:31Z")
[QUOTE=AssemblyLineHuman ] The point is that anti-whites KNOW who is white and who isn’t, and you can tell this by the countries which they say must become ‘diverse’ and ‘pluralistic’ and those countries which don’t. [/QUOTE] Well, as in most things, you are in error. By the definitions of this thread, I AM ‘anti-white’, and honestly, I have no idea who ‘white’ is. Could you, seriously, explain? Is it only Germans? Germanic peoples only? Western Europeans? Are the English ‘white’? What about the Irish? The folks in Iceland? What about Norway and Sweden? France? How about Spanish or Italians? What about the folks in Eastern Europe…are they ‘white’? In the Balkins, the Greeks? Who, exactly, is ‘white’, and how can you tell who is who? Just by looking at them, or is there some other way? Is skin tone the important thing, or is there some other way to tell? > [@](#): > > When Obama was elected, anti-racists were asking about European and Anglo nations when they too will have a black leader. Oddly, no anti-white suggested that it “was time” that China has a black leader, or Japan, or Korea, or Angola having a Chinese leader. Obama has a ‘white’ mom (I think…depends on your answer to the above I guess)…why is he ‘black’? Again, is it his skin tone (which isn’t all that dark)? Or his facial features? Or something else? How can you tell he’s ‘black’? BTW, no one suggested that it ‘was time’ for a ‘black’ leader in China because, well, they don’t elect leaders there…and their ‘black’ population, by any definition of ‘black’ is miniscule compared to the rest of their population. Same in Japan or Korea (though, they do elect them in Japan, sort of, and certainly in Korea, if we are talking about the South). There aren’t a lot of Chinese in Angola either (and no idea if they elect leaders there, but I’m guessing not, but our definition of ‘elect’ anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/585 "2013-04-12T23:23:16Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > The INTENT of anti-white anti-racism is to create a mixed race, in ONLY white nations, which means that white people are racially replaced by a mixed race. Only in your silly persecution fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/586 "2013-04-12T23:25:34Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Nonsense. The fact that racism is common in Japan and the problems it causes are hardly obscure facts, and have been brought now and then up long before you showed up. I’ve never heard any one say about Japan “Japan will not longer have racism, when they are mixed race”. But I HAVE heard this, many times, in reference to white countries. I’ve heard about “racism” in Europe on the news. I’ve read newspaper articles about things being “too white”, but NEVER “too Asian”, “too black”. The double standard is clear. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/587 "2013-04-12T23:30:17Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Well, as in most things, you are in error. By the definitions of this thread, I AM ‘anti-white’, and honestly, I have no idea who ‘white’ is. Could you, seriously, explain? Is it only Germans? Germanic peoples only? Western Europeans? Are the English ‘white’? What about the Irish? The folks in Iceland? What about Norway and Sweden? France? How about Spanish or Italians? What about the folks in Eastern Europe…are they ‘white’? In the Balkins, the Greeks? Who, exactly, is ‘white’, and how can you tell who is who? Just by looking at them, or is there some other way? Is skin tone the important thing, or is there some other way to tell? In Australia, where I live, you can go to court, and potentially jail, for saying someone isn’t of the race they believe they are. This is particularly true in reference to Aboriginals. You CANNOT say someone is not aboriginal, when they identify as such. Anti-racists support this law. But they don’t extend the same courtesy to white. As I said before, when it comes to arguments AGAINST the white race, the confusion about who is white and who isn’t, among Liberals suddenly disappears. [/QUOTE] Obama has a ‘white’ mom (I think…depends on your answer to the above I guess)…why is he ‘black’? Again, is it his skin tone (which isn’t all that dark)? Or his facial features? Or something else? How can you tell he’s ‘black’? BTW, no one suggested that it ‘was time’ for a ‘black’ leader in China because, well, they don’t elect leaders there…and their ‘black’ population, by any definition of ‘black’ is miniscule compared to the rest of their population. Same in Japan or Korea (though, they do elect them in Japan, sort of, and certainly in Korea, if we are talking about the South). There aren’t a lot of Chinese in Angola either (and no idea if they elect leaders there, but I’m guessing not, but our definition of ‘elect’ anyway). [/QUOTE] The black populaiton in these countries is miniscule, which is my point. No one says ths is a problem, that they should benefit from diversity. Multiracialism is supposedly the way nations must go, but Asia is so, so far behind. Yet no one calls on them to catch up. But when Eastern Europe opened up after the fall of communism, people started asking “Is it ready for immigration yet?” ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/588 "2013-04-12T23:31:04Z")
[QUOTE=AssemblyLineHuman] I’ve never heard any one say about Japan “Japan will not longer have racism, when they are mixed race”. [/QUOTE] Could you translate that into standard, American English? I don’t speak your foreign tongue. If you will translate this, I might be the first to ever say…whatever it is you think no one has ever said (my WAG on that is that most people speaking to you ARE speaking/writing in standard American English, and thus it’s a translation issue). > [@](#): > > But I HAVE heard this, many times, in reference to white countries. I’ve heard about “racism” in Europe on the news. I’ve read newspaper articles about things being “too white”, but NEVER “too Asian”, “too black”. Then you haven’t been listening. Certainly there are racial issues in Europe, and quite a bit of latent racism…but there is plenty of latent (hell, militant) racism in Asia and Africa too. > [@](#): > > The double standard is clear It’s only clear because of confirmation bias on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/589 "2013-04-12T23:31:12Z")
Heck, racism (or something just as ignorant) will exist as long as humans exist, since humans are capable of (indeed, sometimes eager to embrace) ignorance. In any case, what specifically is it about “whiteness” that is being lost and must be preserved and by what means? ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/590 "2013-04-12T23:31:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Only in your silly persecution fantasies. Name ONE white country, which anti-racists would be A-OK with, if it had an official policy of maintaining its whiteness. I’ve asked three of four times. NO ANSWER. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/591 "2013-04-12T23:35:42Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Could you translate that into standard, American English? I don’t speak your foreign tongue. If you will translate this, I might be the first to ever say…whatever it is you think no one has ever said (my WAG on that is that most people speaking to you ARE speaking/writing in standard American English, and thus it’s a translation issue). > > Then you haven’t been listening. Certainly there are racial issues in Europe, and quite a bit of latent racism…but there is plenty of latent (hell, militant) racism in Asia and Africa too. Sarkozy said that France MUST engage in miscegenation and assimilation to solve the issues. Anti-racists say that if whites are mixed with non-whites, than that will solve racism. These solutions are NOT proposed for non-white countries. [/QUOTE] It’s only clear because of confirmation bias on your part. [/QUOTE] Name ONE white nation, which anti-whites would be A-OK with, if it actively took measured to keep and maintain its whiteness. Not one answer yet. anti-racists object to anything whites might to to prevent a future where they are assimilated out. Hence anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/592 "2013-04-12T23:40:02Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Heck, racism (or something just as ignorant) will exist as long as humans exist, since humans are capable of (indeed, sometimes eager to embrace) ignorance. > > In any case, what specifically is it about “whiteness” that is being lost and must be preserved and by what means? It is the fact that ALL and ONLY white nations are required, by anti-whites to become multiracial melting pots. they don’t advocate this for non-white nations. Hence anti-whites are promoting a philosophy whereby whites, and only whites, end up being assimilated out because all their nations are “embracing diversity”. This means that white people, however specifically you want to define it, it doesn’t really matter, end up being assimilated out. In my book, advocating ideas in which a race of people end up disappearing is advocating Genocide. Anti-whites don’t want to admit this, so they go on distractions like “who exactly is white” and “me not understand”, etc etc. As I asked, just one example where whites can be exempt from multiracialism and it would be OK. No response, because if that happened, that would mean that whites could reject multiracialism. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/593 "2013-04-12T23:40:38Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Name ONE white country, which anti-racists would be A-OK with, if it had an official policy of maintaining its whiteness. > > I’ve asked three of four times. > > NO ANSWER. I’d guess that any country that tried would have to use pretty draconian methods to do so. So let’s say there’s no need for ethnic cleansing (i.e. extermination or forced exile of an unwanted nonwhite population) and then no immigration of anyone darker than a paper bag or who fails the pencil test or whatever. Okay, what about tourists or diplomats or visitors in general? Do they have to be followed around in case they have sex with a citizen? And what if they do and a pregnancy results? Is the potentially half-unacceptable child a citizen? ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/594 "2013-04-12T23:41:56Z")
**ALH** time for some facts 1. There is but one race here on Earth, the Human one. Proof we can and do interbreed. 2. There is no such thing as “White Culture”. Even in a relatively homogeneous place like Germany culture varies wildly the difference between Nuremberg and Berlin are striking. 3. All three of you, now two thanks to the use of the ban hammer, have utterly failed to define what “White” is. Refute any of that **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/595 "2013-04-12T23:45:07Z")
[QUOTE=AssemblyLineHuman] In Australia, where I live, you can go to court, and potentially jail, for saying someone isn’t of the race they believe they are. This is particularly true in reference to Aboriginals. You CANNOT say someone is not aboriginal, when they identify as such. [/QUOTE] Flat out, I don’t believe you. Prove that you can go to jail in Australia for saying you are a ‘race’ you aren’t. In the US you are whatever you say you are, and I can’t comprehend that Australia is that different or that they take this ‘race’ thing that seriously. > [@](#): > > The black populaiton in these countries is miniscule, which is my point. So why would you expect them to elect a ‘black’ leader there, if you understand that there isn’t a large ‘black’ population? If your point is that much of Asia (certainly both China and Japan) are racist, well…that’s not going to surprise very many people. > [@](#): > > No one says ths is a problem, that they should benefit from diversity. Multiracialism is supposedly the way nations must go, but Asia is so, so far behind. I’m sure the North Koreans attempting to stream into China would disagree with you that no one says it’s a problem. Certainly Japan is having major problems due to their stance on this issue…it’s biting them in the ass, big time. As for saying that ‘Multiracialism is supposedly the way nations must go’, I’d say it’s pretty evident that this is the case…one has but to look at the US and compare it to, say Japan (China, btw, IS ‘multiracial’…they have a staggering amount of diversity of ‘race’). > [@](#): > > Yet no one calls on them to catch up. But when Eastern Europe opened up after the fall of communism, people started asking “Is it ready for immigration yet?” You are mixing apples and orangutans here. Folks wanted Eastern Europe to open up because they WERE communist and stagnant. No one really cares that much about Japan…if they want to bury their heads in the sand and be racist bastards and put up road blocks to immigration, well, that’s their lookout. Hurts no one but them, really. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/596 "2013-04-12T23:45:44Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Name ONE white nation, in which it would be acceptable to “anti-racists” for it to actively preserve its ethnic make up through policy. [Here’s a whole bunch.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis) Depending on how you define “white” (we’re still waiting on pins and needles to hear from you on that), this makes at least 7 and probably more like 12. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/597 "2013-04-12T23:50:50Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Name ONE white country, which anti-racists would be A-OK with, if it had an official policy of maintaining its whiteness. > > I’ve asked three of four times. > > NO ANSWER. I cannot think of one single country in modern times that was of one race only, people have been travelling and mixing since ancient times. There are “Whites” in Zimbabwe still, not many but a few. Can you name one “white” Country? **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/598 "2013-04-12T23:52:32Z")
[QUOTE=AssemblyLineHuman] Sarkozy said that France MUST engage in miscegenation and assimilation to solve the issues. Anti-racists say that if whites are mixed with non-whites, than that will solve racism. [/QUOTE] I don’t believe you…prove it. Show me a quote so I can put it in context. France DOES have some serious race issues that certainly need to be resolved, but let’s see your evidence. > [@](#): > > Name ONE white nation, which anti-whites would be A-OK with, if it actively took measured to keep and maintain its whiteness. Define ‘white’ and I’ll be happy to. I can think of several EUROPEAN countries that have limited immigration but who grant immigration to people of certain ethnic types or ‘races’, but you need to really define wtf ‘white’ and ‘whiteness’ actually is to give you a meaningful answer. > [@](#): > > Not one answer yet. Probably because you haven’t, yet, defined your terms, or what ‘white’ actually is, and what countries it encompasses. How COULD anyone answer you, when you refuse to do this simple, basic thing? > [@](#): > > anti-racists object to anything whites might to to prevent a future where they are assimilated out. 😛 Bit of a circular argument, especially since you refuse to define the terms and are just throwing out buzzwords. I keep expecting someone to say BINGO! with each of your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/599 "2013-04-12T23:55:58Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I’ve never heard any one say about Japan “Japan will not longer have racism, when they are mixed race”. People have said that the way to eliminate racism is to eliminate “race” all over the world, which by definition includes Japan. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/600 "2013-04-12T23:59:59Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Name ONE white country, which anti-racists would be A-OK with, if it had an official policy of maintaining its whiteness. > > I’ve asked three of four times. > > NO ANSWER. Both Turkey and Germany have restrictive immigration policies to protect their ethnicity and restrict citizenship, though this is less the case since Germany has become part of the EU. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=31)