# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/601 "2013-04-13T00:02:34Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I’ve come accross this for years. Anti-whites go on about the crimes that white people caused, and talk about white people being racist, and how whites should interbreed with non-whites lest there be interbreeding. > > Then white person says “I would like to preserve whiteness, why are you against it?” and anti-whites go “What is white?” > > I don’t buy it. The behaiviour if anti-racist anti-whites shows they understand the concept of whites. I have already pointed out that you are twisting the question. The question is not “is there any such thing as white people”? The question is “who will the loons talking about non-existent ‘white genocide’ let into the ‘white’ club”? There is no problem recognizing that there are white people. However, when cries of “white genocide” are directed at “white” people moving to Europe, it is clear that the claims of “white genocide” are based on false assertions. Thus, when someone begins whining about imaginary genocide, many in the audience are curious to know who are the objects of those false assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/602 "2013-04-13T00:05:49Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > I cannot think of one single country in modern times that was of one race only I daresay Japan would be _close_, if we defined “race” as synonymous with “ethnicity”. Among “white” countries… maybe… Portugal? Thing is, ethnicity can top out at two generations. Someone born in the U.S. whose parents were also born in the U.S. but whose grandparents were born in Japan is probably pretty thoroughly assimilated to American and not Japanese culture, may not speak Japanese, may not like Japanese food or entertainment, etc. If “race” includes the circumstances of one’s grandparents (or earlier ancestors), then all bets are off. I daresay the most recent example of “racial purity” (if I gauge AssemblyLine’s intended but unstated definition correctly) were the Tasmanians prior to the 1770s. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/603 "2013-04-13T00:13:11Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Name ONE white country, which anti-racists would be A-OK with, if it had an official policy of maintaining its whiteness. > > I’ve asked three of four times. > > NO ANSWER. Well you’ve been asked many questions over and over that you refuse to answer, so why should we answer yours? I’ll tell you what- I’ll answer this question when you give me a detailed answer as to how I determine which of my family and friends (and myself) are white. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/604 "2013-04-13T00:26:17Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > You don’t want to know which if your friends and family count as white. And you would be perfectly aware that ALL anti-racists have NO problem referring to White people as a group. > > I’ve come accross this for years. Anti-whites go on about the crimes that white people caused, and talk about white people being racist, and how whites should interbreed with non-whites lest there be interbreeding. > > Then white person says “I would like to preserve whiteness, why are you against it?” and anti-whites go “What is white?” > > I don’t buy it. The behaiviour if anti-racist anti-whites shows they understand the concept of whites. “Anti-” blah de bla de blah. If Whitey is on the way out, I’ll advise him to look out for the door, and to cover his ass. Good riddance, will you go also? By the way, my ancestry, (after the African origination, mind you, ) is Irish , English, and Swedish. Is that white? If so, bye bye My Kind. Greetings to the New Kind. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/605 "2013-04-13T00:26:23Z")
To paraphrase White is anyone of wholly European descent who is not Jewish Europe is bounded by the Mediterranean and the Urals on the South and East You can be mixed but not obviously so and cannot claim or identify with another, such as my Native Blood. As long as I don’t maintain a tribal culture, cool. They admit that this is a difficult question Slavs, Greeks, Spaniards etc all “White” No that wasn’t so hard was it? Need a shower **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/606 "2013-04-13T00:34:54Z")
Of course, if you ask them why Jews (even Jews with an unbroken line of European ancestry going back four or five centuries) don’t count as white, they get upset and will ban you. Buncha pansies… ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/607 "2013-04-13T01:13:54Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > J > Not too long ago, the police force in London was said to be “[stubbornly white](http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3663329.ece).” Why don’t you ask this author how he knows who is white and who isn’t. Why don’t you read the second paragraph of the article? First line: \*The make-up of students on the Strategic Command Course, \* Question answered. Oh, btw - you have to subscribe to The Times Online to read the _whole_ article - did you, or are you just cherry-picking again? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/608 "2013-04-13T01:20:07Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Hello, my name is XT, and I’m part of the alliance to cause genocide to the ‘white’ race. :eek: I have actively pursued this goal by blatantly marrying a ‘white’ woman and breeding with her, to produce our mongrel offspring. I proudly wear the title of ‘Anti-Racist’. I am practically public enemy number one, since not only have I corrupted a ‘white’ woman and had children with her, but I’m also an agnatheist as well…horror on top of horror! Plus, and this is key, I hate…HATE…NASCAR. Loath it. Despise it. Hey, good buddy! I’m the other half of the equation–I’m a dirty race traitor of a white man that married a lovely Jewish woman. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/609 "2013-04-13T01:26:50Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Name ONE white country, which anti-racists would be A-OK with, if it had an official policy of maintaining its whiteness. > > I’ve asked three of four times. > > NO ANSWER. That’s because your question is incorrectly premised. The average “multiculturalist” is just as irritated by any country with racially-based immigration policies, regardless of what that country’s majority makeup is. I think you might just be confused because most people only talk about policies in their homelands with regard to this kind of thing. Most people on the internet that speak English are going to be from 1st-world European and North American countries. Y’know what I haven’t got an answer on? Who’s forcing white people to have babies with non-whites? And if they’re NOT being forced to interbreed, then why are you worried, other than the fact that most educated people think the idea of “races” at all being important to mate choice is hysterically archaic? ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/610 "2013-04-13T01:34:06Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Your guilt trip is totally unwarranted as White colonialism has been mostly [beneficial](http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/Ross_Levine/other%20files/European_Origins.pdf) to non-whites. [Really?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars) [_Really?_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre) [**REALLY?**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xhosa_Wars) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/611 "2013-04-13T01:36:53Z")
Now, if you want to destroy a whole civilization, or a whole world, perhaps your descendants might develop a longer life, but I hardly think it’s worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/612 "2013-04-13T01:51:11Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > . . . Oddly, no anti-white suggested that it “was time” that China has a black leader, or Japan, or Korea, or Angola having a Chinese leader. Peru had a leader of Japanese descent. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![Squeegy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@Squeegy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squeegy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/613 "2013-04-13T01:56:37Z")
Well, I joined up because of this thread. I was poking around trying to get a feel for how accurate the “fighting ignorance” label was and the general reaction to that formulaone idiot made me think it was worth a shot. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/614 "2013-04-13T02:22:47Z")
> [@Squeegy](#): > > Well, I joined up because of this thread. I was poking around trying to get a feel for how accurate the “fighting ignorance” label was and the general reaction to that formulaone idiot made me think it was worth a shot. Well, welcome to the board then. ---
**Author:** ![Scholar\_Beardpig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Scholar\_Beardpig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scholar_Beardpig)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/615 "2013-04-13T02:36:04Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > The point is that anti-whites KNOW who is white and who isn’t, and you can tell this by the countries which they say must become ‘diverse’ and ‘pluralistic’ and those countries which don’t. > > When Obama was elected, anti-racists were asking about European and Anglo nations when they too will have a black leader. Oddly, no anti-white suggested that it “was time” that China has a black leader, or Japan, or Korea, or Angola having a Chinese leader. On the contrary; it is absolutely time for China to have a leader from one of its minority groups. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/616 "2013-04-13T03:03:31Z")
> [@Squeegy](#): > > Well, I joined up because of this thread. I was poking around trying to get a feel for how accurate the “fighting ignorance” label was and the general reaction to that formulaone idiot made me think it was worth a shot. Welcome to the board. I do have to say, however, that our reaction to **formulaone** isn’t a good guide. First, his whole schtick was just pathetic, even for a St_rmfr_nter type (please don’t use the actual whole word here…we don’t really want a board war so we try to minimize the likelihood of them finding any mentions of them with a Google search). Second, he’s using arguments that really are old, old, old and pretty much all of us have seen them a thousand times before…notice that even our few resident “scientific racists” mostly refused to engage this last crew because their arguments were just incredibly stupid and so obviously disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/617 "2013-04-13T03:17:50Z")
> [@Scholar\_Beardpig](#): > > On the contrary; it is absolutely time for China to have a leader from one of its minority groups. No shit. A Tibetan would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/618 "2013-04-13T04:05:20Z")
> [@Scholar\_Beardpig](#): > > On the contrary; it is absolutely time for China to have a leader from one of its minority groups. I dunno. They kinda all look alike to me. They’re not like WHITE PEOPLE, what with our varied complexion, hair color and texture, eye color/shape and body build. It makes you wonder how we can even be a race at all, but everyone knows who we are. so I guess that’s that! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/619 "2013-04-13T04:19:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I daresay Japan would be _close_, if we defined “race” as synonymous with “ethnicity”. Japan is still having serious race issues with the Ainu and also with Koreans who’ve lived there for generations. Oh, here’s a “non-White” country for you: South Korea. A naturalized Korean became a member of Parliament in the last general election. The government and many people, except of course for the raving lunatic racists (sorry about the redundancy), considers that to be A Good Thing. Heck, the government even has immigration policies which make it easier for someone who’s not Korean to come to Korea and marry a Korean, getting a financial reward even when they have children. Given that the government (a) has the policy and (b) rewards inter-racial marriages, I’d have to say that the country is okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/620 "2013-04-13T04:35:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Japan is still having serious race issues with the Ainu and also with Koreans who’ve lived there for generations. > > Oh, here’s a “non-White” country for you: South Korea. A naturalized Korean became a member of Parliament in the last general election. The government and many people, except of course for the raving lunatic racists (sorry about the redundancy), considers that to be A Good Thing. Heck, the government even has immigration policies which make it easier for someone who’s not Korean to come to Korea and marry a Korean, getting a financial reward even when they have children. Given that the government (a) has the policy and (b) rewards inter-racial marriages, I’d have to say that the country is okay with that. Poland I think is nearly 100% Polish and of course if you want to go by the white/non-white standard it’s probably about as close to 100% white as you can get. Hell, if your definition of white is someone who’s of 100% European descent I think Argentina is almost 100% white as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=32)