# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/661 "2013-04-13T17:42:45Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I said Liberals never claim that Turkish attempts at genocide were “white” crimes. You didn’t provide a counter example, but instead went back 100 years to the WWI US government, which as _ **you** _ have pointed out, held policies which are unacceptable to anti-racists today (that is race based discrimination). > > My point that Liberals never categorise Turkish human rights violations as those by “white people” stands. Sorry dude, that time period was known as “the progressive era”, Woodrow Wilson classified himself as a progressive as did Robert Morganthau, the US Ambassador to Turkey, who’s son would go on to being one of the major players in the New Deal. Anyway perhaps you can explain to us why the people below aren’t white. [http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~fedorova/dolcevie/shared/pictures/sasha-birthday-2003/large/DSC02587.JPG](http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~fedorova/dolcevie/shared/pictures/sasha-birthday-2003/large/DSC02587.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/662 "2013-04-13T17:46:57Z")
Since **AssemblyLineHuman** declined to answer the last time around, I’ll ask him again. Suppose that I, a free adult citizen of these United States, possessing all the civil liberties and God-given rights to which I am entitled by that station, and being of the white race, make a decision of my own free will, without any external compulsion or extenuating factors, that I wish to marry or propagate the species with a non-white individual, who is also a free adult citizen of these United States, possessing all the civil liberties and God-given rights to which that person is entitled by that station, and has made a decision of her own free will, without any external compulsion or extenuating factors, that she wishes to marry or propagate the species with me. What, in a society which seeks to “preserve its white heritage”, should be done about this? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/663 "2013-04-13T17:47:15Z")
I should say, that I know asking you to explain why the people below aren’t white is a lost cause. You’ve repeatedly refused to give any definitions or answer very simple question while throwing around rather inflammatory comments whining about “anti-racists” engaging in “genocide” This forum is known as the Great Debates and when you refuse to answer such simple questions as “who do you consider white” “do you consider Jews white” or "why do you consider these blue-eyed people with extremely pale skin “non-whites” you give the impression that you’re not really interested in debate but merely throwing your arguments out there. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/664 "2013-04-13T18:17:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Non-white people. With their _shifty_ eyes, _incomprehensible_ languages, and their _diabolic plans_ to eradicate the White Race so they can rule the world in the name of their Secret Masters, the _Jews!!_\* > > \*“Jews” should properly be read here accompanied by an ominous background chord, and the lights going dim and red. DUN-DUN-_DUUUUUN!!_ Why is it never the Belgians that secretly rule the world? 😕 My mother was Belgian - I could do with being a member of a secret cadre… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/665 "2013-04-13T18:28:04Z")
> [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](#): > > Why is it never the Belgians that secretly rule the world? 😕 You probably should. I think inventing french fries AND waffles deserves some consideration. I think old Leo made everyone a bit nervous about you guys, though. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/666 "2013-04-13T18:35:12Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You probably should. I think inventing french fries AND waffles deserves some consideration. I think old Leo made everyone a bit nervous about you guys, though. Belgians may have invented waffles, but it took the American south to combine them with fried chicken. Go Black Power! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/667 "2013-04-13T18:41:50Z")
> [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](#): > > Why is it never the Belgians that secretly rule the world? 😕 Because Belgium doesn’t exist. It’s a sham country; the Flemish and the Walloons are only staying together for the sake of the kids. I like how **ALH** has completely ignored or handwaved away the people who have actually attempted to answer his questions but resolutely refuses to answer any of ours. Presumably he knows that the millisecond he actually commits to a definition of “white person” or “white nation” the full weight of FACTS will squish his argument to a fine mist. Which won’t stop him from repeating it. There’s a reason that “PRATT” has achieved internet acronym status. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/668 "2013-04-13T18:50:49Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Nobody has to ENFORCE Interrmarriage. They ENFORCE the conditions which lead to Interrmarriage. So “they” are somehow forcing white people to have sex with nonwhite people? That is the final step, after all. Is the white person a voluntary participant in the sexual process or not? > [@](#): > > Anti-whites enforce the conditions, which would lead to assimilation, knowing that assimilation would take place AND encouraging it. Is it “encourage” or “force”? If it’s just encourage, then how is it any different from what you’re doing right now, trying to encourage whites to breed more selectively? > [@](#): > > This isn’t about me. This is about anti-whites who demand that ALL and ONLY white countries assimilate AND that they encourage intermarriage AND that they ostracise and call ‘racist’ those who don’t wish to take part. Well, even if this is actually happening, it’s a product of freedom of expression, I guess. Television and movies can show mixed-raced couples (though they generally do not) and people can call other people “racist” if they like, or “anti-white”, I guess. > [@](#): > > Anti-whites… See? > [@](#): > > …do this knowing, and admitting, that this will lead to a ‘mixed world’, but because they only worry about white nations, this means a world where whites are assimilated out. Essentially a program of genocide. So what exactly is being lost when whites get “assimilated out”, to use your terminology? What physical or cultural traits will be lost in 100 years, if trends continue? Is putting a nude Japanese woman in _Playboy_ as an object of sexual desire for its mostly white readership part of an attempt at genocide? What about a nude black woman? > [@](#): > > The fact that I can resist (with risk to my livelihood and personal safety through the actions of anti-whites), doesn’t excuse anti-whites of what they advocate. I don’t really care how much risk you’re facing (if any), if your argument make no sense. You’re repeatedly accusing people of genocide, after all. That’s pretty serious in light of actual 20th-century genocides in which people weren’t having sex, they were being _killed_. I can picture someone not wanting to continue employing you under those circumstances. > [@](#): > > If you are not anti-white, then put forward a position which doesn’t result in whites being assimilated out. > > I’m still waiting. I think whites (or anyone, really) should be free to mate as they choose. You’re basically asking my opinion on the preservation of something (whiteness) that you can’t even define. Anyway, what have white people become, pandas? They have to be delicately encouraged to mate, now, lest they go extinct? ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/669 "2013-04-13T20:32:06Z")
The funny thing is I’d expect those participating in “white genocide” for both partners to be anti-racist at least right now. Are there many militant non-white racists having kids with white people? And why would their kids be indoctrinated in this “white genocide”? Seems just as likely they would side with the white parent. So there are a bunch of virulently racist brown people that hate the white race so much they are having kids with white people, and of course their white partner is cool with them indoctrinating the kids into virulent anti-white racism? I know I won’t get an answer but this is striking me as unlikely as any scenario ever was. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/670 "2013-04-13T20:41:08Z")
It’s all very simple. The world is divided into whites and non-whites. We whites are obviously the best, as evidenced by electricity and something else. So the non-whites want to get some of that whiteness for themselves, so they MASSIVELY invade the white countries to breed with us. Now, these non-whites would not be able to do this if it weren’t for the super secret anti-white white cabal (and/or Jews) who want to destroy the white race (for some unknown reason). They have indoctrinated most of us white people to be anti-white even though we are actually white ourselves. It’s only a few of the great thinkers, like the OP and his companions, who see all this. Their task is difficult, but their cause is noble-- nothing more or less than making sure the rest of us white people don’t pollute the gene pool with non-white genes. Because if we do, we will not longer have electricity (and something else). What could be more obvious? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/671 "2013-04-13T20:48:45Z")
**AssemblyLineHuman** , I’ll tell you the same thing I told **White Survivalist** : if you don’t want to actually define your terms so people can discuss them, the mods are not going to have a lot of patience with you. We have a low opinion of that kind of game-playing. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/672 "2013-04-13T21:32:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > . . . Suppose that I . . . being of the white race . . . wish to marry or propagate the species with a non-white individual . . . > > What, in a society which seeks to “preserve its white heritage”, should be done about this? (Snipped for brevity.) This is the big question, the real deal-killer here. What is their proposal? What legislation do they wish to introduce? Do they simply want to stand by, cluck their tongues, wag their eyebrows, frown, and point fingers? Fine! First Amendment speech, fully protected. I do the same thing regarding their publications and speech. We disapprove of each other. Fine and dandy. If that’s all, then we can all go home, satisfied and content that our freedoms are well protected and we enjoy the liberty to marry whom we choose. Otherwise… They need to tell us what they actually want. I asked this question way back in Post #2 of this thread! No answer… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/673 "2013-04-13T21:38:53Z")
What are some of the products of a “white heritage”, anyway? Classical music? NASCAR? What’s in danger of being lost? If it’s just low melanin production… big deal. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/674 "2013-04-13T21:43:17Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > (Snipped for brevity.) This is the big question, the real deal-killer here. What is their proposal? What legislation do they wish to introduce? > > Do they simply want to stand by, cluck their tongues, wag their eyebrows, frown, and point fingers? Fine! First Amendment speech, fully protected. I do the same thing regarding their publications and speech. We disapprove of each other. Fine and dandy. If that’s all, then we can all go home, satisfied and content that our freedoms are well protected and we enjoy the liberty to marry whom we choose. > > Otherwise… They need to tell us what they actually want. > > I asked this question way back in Post #2 of this thread! No answer… Well, first off they clearly want to eliminate non-white immigration. That would, of course, necessitate them defining who is “white”, which they seem unable to do. And they want the anti-racist meanies to stop saying bad things about them. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/675 "2013-04-13T22:02:39Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You probably should. I think inventing french fries AND waffles deserves some consideration. I think old Leo made everyone a bit nervous about you guys, though. Hey, formulaone (Or was it White Survivalist? I’m getting my socks mixed) said that white colonisation had been beneficial to Africa, so Leo was doing good in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/676 "2013-04-13T22:04:04Z")
With all the talk of [reviving the T-rex](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=687836), I’m sure future humans will weigh the positives and negatives of White race revival and act accordingly, should the inevitable extinction ever occur. However, future humans will (by then) be some ungodly, sepia toned, melange thus probably unable to work the EZ-revival ray; (alas) permanently insuring white extinction anyways. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/677 "2013-04-13T22:15:16Z")
Frankly, I’m far more concerned about the possibility of a white genocide that also includes a general human genocide, i.e. a comet or large asteroid coming in and kablamming us all into extinction. At least that’s a palpable threat with graspable solutions, which puts it miles ahead of whatever vague nonsense ALH is on about. He can’t even define that which he wants to preserve from persons unknown using mechanisms unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/678 "2013-04-13T22:15:51Z")
> [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](#): > > I could do with being a member of a secret cadre… > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Now, these non-whites would not be able to do this if it weren’t for the super secret anti-white white cabal (and/or Jews) who want to destroy the white race (for some unknown reason) Is Ita cadre or a cabal? I’m filling out my application and need answer fast! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/679 "2013-04-13T22:34:07Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Is Ita cadre or a cabal? I’m filling out my application and need answer fast! I refuse to join until it becomes a junta. Those Castro hats are dead sexy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/680 "2013-04-13T22:59:03Z")
Since our new WN posters here are unable or unwilling to define “white”, maybe than can answer these simple questions: 1. How many white people are there in the US currently? 2. How many white people were there in the US 50 years ago? 3. Do those two numbers show an increase or decease in the number of whites in the US? 4. Regarding this “genocide” that is being discussed… when does it happen? Feel free to use whatever mathematical definition as long as you have some scientific data to back up the numbers you use. That is to say, if you want to define “genocide” as the point when whites in the US are only 10% of their current population number, that’s cool. Just tell us what definition you use, and when it is projected to happen. For extra credit, substitution “the world” for “the US” in the above questions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=35)